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Re: General Electric HQ | 244-284 A Street | Fort Point

Gameguy326 said:
Well, the helipad is a big deal. Depending on how much it's used, it could generate a ton of noise. Why GE needs a helipad is a total mystery, I don't think I've seen why they want one (can someone provide a reference if they know?), and the people living there have every right to know how much extra sound this will generate, what times of day, etc.

Helicopters are loud.
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They said they wanted one to get to/from Logan quickly. In which case, a high-speed boat might do the trick. They also may be able to strategically locate the helipad to minimize noises heard by residents. The majority of noise annoyance comes from in-ground-effect hovering (as they are lifting off, and as they are doing final descent maneuvers)...there are ways to design/erect sound barriers that help with those cases.

Even for a company like GE, I can't imagine the helicopter is going to be used THAT frequently...how many separate trips per day to logan? Even if it's once per hour, that's not that bad for a resident to deal with and I'd imagine it's mostly during the workday hours.

Keep in mind most boston area hospitals have helipads on the roofs for medflights...MGH for one has a ton of residents nearby
 
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Think of the children........ no can do.... once something gets controversial – it's as good as gone.
 
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GE should talk to wynn. He has low slung speed boat shuttles hes buying for the casino. Theyre fast and low to get under the bridges. Theyre right on fort point it would probably be faster to just hop on a boat than preflight a helicopter, deal with the tower at logan etc.
 
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bigpicture7 said:
Even for a company like GE, I can't imagine the helicopter is going to be used THAT frequently...how many separate trips per day to logan? Even if it's once per hour, that's not that bad for a resident to deal with and I'd imagine it's mostly during the workday hours.

Keep in mind most boston area hospitals have helipads on the roofs for medflights...MGH for one has a ton of residents nearby
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Well, that may be true, but I am just saying this is not an outrageous NIMBY concern. Also, a helipad is not something anyone would have expected in Fort Point, compared with next to a hospital. Imagine buying a place in Fort Point only to be told a year later that you're going to suddenly have a ton of unexpected noise? At the very least, I'd want to have details about it and know that the noise would be minimized.

Further, for a hospital, a helipad is essential and unavoidable. For GE, a helipad feels very much like gluttony.
 
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Gameguy326 said:
Well, that may be true, but I am just saying this is not an outrageous NIMBY concern. Also, a helipad is not something anyone would have expected in Fort Point, compared with next to a hospital. Imagine buying a place in Fort Point only to be told a year later that you're going to suddenly have a ton of unexpected noise? At the very least, I'd want to have details about it and know that the noise would be minimized.

Further, for a hospital, a helipad is essential and unavoidable. For GE, a helipad feels very much like gluttony.
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Actually anyone who does their homework would know that there used to be a helipad at the current location of the BCEC, so yes, it could be expected near Fort Point. And helicopter operators have been pushing for a replacement for years. Fort Point Channel is a designated helicopter flight route.

Also, in a modern, sound insulated building, helipads nearby are not bad (they are much worse outside). I overlook the medflight helipad at Tufts Medical Center. The sound is only marginally noticeable (It is much worse at street level).
 
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Gameguy326 said:
Well, that may be true, but I am just saying this is not an outrageous NIMBY concern. Also, a helipad is not something anyone would have expected in Fort Point, compared with next to a hospital. Imagine buying a place in Fort Point only to be told a year later that you're going to suddenly have a ton of unexpected noise? At the very least, I'd want to have details about it and know that the noise would be minimized.

Further, for a hospital, a helipad is essential and unavoidable. For GE, a helipad feels very much like gluttony.
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Gameguy -- you are aware that GE has a significant HQ located in Marlborough, and that there are still a lot of other GE facilities within a one hour helicopter ride of the Fort Point Channel. I also suspect that GE will park a couple of corporate jets at Hanscom. None of the above can be reached by boat.

In the halcyon days of DEC World -- DEC had a small airline based out of Hanscom with regular helicopter service to a gate at Logan in Terminal B. I took the helicopter from Hanscom to Logan a few times [on the taxpayers very large dime] on business trips for Lincoln Lab when I needed to get to the airport on relatively short notice. We flew down Rt-2 and then down the Charles at about the height of the Pru and then across the harbor -- excellent views by the way.

Its a totally imaginary problem to think that there is not room for a helicopter pad easily accessible from GE -- there is plenty of room to site a helicopter pad in Southey down by Harpoon and the bulk cargo facility. And since we are talking helicopters -- Flight paths can be arranged to only approach and depart over water.
 
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^ Whigh, I totally agree that the primary use will be regional travel to GE facilities, and Hanscom. Also, this is going to be a public helipad, so other businesses downtown and in the Seaport will use it for the same purpose. Logan, even in traffic, is still a pretty short limo ride away via the Williams tunnel. A helicopter probably won't beat that timing, even with traffic, given Logan air traffic clearance.

I don't think, however, that you can locate the helipad out in the marine terminal area. Aircraft patterns to/from Logan are really low there. That's a major approach and departure path. I doubt that the FAA would sanction that location. The helipad probably needs to be closer to downtown (creating more location conflict).
 
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A helipad in Fort Point is absurd. They're within sight of Logan and perched on a highway interchange leading directly to the airport. There's no need for this.
 
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Arborway said:
A helipad in Fort Point is absurd. They're within sight of Logan and perched on a highway interchange leading directly to the airport. There's no need for this.
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Well, if worst comes to worst and this gets torpedoed by shiftless City Councillors fanning Southie NIMBY mob-justice, there's plenty of room next to the Logan ferry terminal to plunk a gigantic-ass helipad if the sprawling Hertz lot were compacted into a garage like the 4-story Logan employee garage up the street. Immelt & Co. can dock a private speedboat in the Channel at their front door and beat the traffic to the ferry terminal and helipad in 5 minutes. They just have to make "does not have problem with sea sickness" a hiring requirement for new execs.
 
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Arborway said:
A helipad in Fort Point is absurd. They're within sight of Logan and perched on a highway interchange leading directly to the airport. There's no need for this.
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There is a huge difference in time and convenience between operating a helicopter directly out of Logan (huge air traffic control constraints) and operating a helicopter on one of the VFR corridors that allow low flying traffic to bypass air traffic control (Fort Point Channel).
 
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Somewhat related, GE has acquired a controlling interest in Baker Hughes, the drilling company. Will merge GE's oil and gas unit with Baker Hughes.
 
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stellarfun said:
Somewhat related, GE has acquired a controlling interest in Baker Hughes, the drilling company. Will merge GE's oil and gas unit with Baker Hughes.
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Stellarfun -- strictly its a joint venture with GE owning 62.5% and Baker-Hughes the rest
the BBJ story

GE creating new $32B company with Baker Hughes
Oct 31, 2016, 6:42am EDT Updated Oct 31, 2016, 7:53am EDT
Don Seiffert
Managing Editor
Boston Business Journal

General Electric and Houston oil field giant Baker Hughes plan to create a new, publicly traded oil and gas company with assets from both firms.

The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday evening, citing anonymous sources, that GE (NYSE: GE) plans to “contribute its oil-and-gas business and some cash to the new entity, which would have publicly traded shares and be majority-owned and controlled by GE.”
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7 great testimonials offered in support of the project;

and 1 deplorable political hit piece statement offered by A.J.R. Nobody,


APPROVED!!
 
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odurandina said:
7 great testimonials offered in support of the project;

and 1 deplorable political hit piece statement offered by A.J.R. Nobody,


APPROVED!!
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Happy Days are here again -- Boston can be seen from Mars again .....:D:D

this structure has the potential to be the single most important building for Boston's next 25 or more years -- not because of how it looks [although I like that] but because of what it will contain and how it will interact with the economy
 
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^^Meanwhile, London has Big Ben, Paris has the Eiffel Tower. Boston has the CITGO sign....

Meanwhile; GE, the company that is going to be instrumental in our future hydro-electric dam, and save boston from being destroyed by the Atlantic Ocean....

And the Boston Globe inciting the proletariat masses.

You can't make this shit up.
 
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odurandina said:
^^Meanwhile, London has Big Ben, Paris has the Eiffel Tower. Boston has the CITGO sign....

Meanwhile; GE, the company that is going to be instrumental in our future hydro-electric dam, and save boston from being destroyed by the Atlantic Ocean....

And the Boston Globe inciting the proletariat masses.

You can't make this shit up.
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Proletariat? Easy there, Il Duce. You wouldn't want to start sounding like a crazy person, would you?
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F-Line to Dudley said:
Proletariat? Easy there, Il Duce. You wouldn't want to start sounding like a crazy person, would you?
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Odura is the most sane member on this board, with his realistic vision for the city and his desire for developments with appropriate height and VE architecture.
 
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