General MBTA Topics (Multi Modal, Budget, MassDOT)

Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

I'd like to know what they've done on the cost side to bring a job that requires a GED at best down to an appropriate level of cost.
I'm hesitant that they should really be doing heavy cuts on the pay side, when we're already having accidents caused by people who feel they have to work additional jobs on the side. (Obviously it's not the MBTA's fault when someone is too tired to see another trolley right in front of them, but it's still expensive for the agency)
 
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To satisfy my curiosity I googled the mbta commuter rail ridership stats and saw on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBTA_Commuter_Rail ) that mbta commuter rail ridership is down from 143k daily riders in 2008 to 130k to 2011. Regarding the the recent fare increase in July 2012, you have to go to the source data cited on the wikipedia page, which is the www.apta.com, the american public transit assoc., There you will see the most recent available ridership stats which show a slight decline in comm. rail ridership for 3rd quarter 2012 following the recent fare increase compared to the preceding year.

The ridership increase on the T, particularly the central subway, likely due to a improving economy, etc. seem not to be applicable to the commuter rail. Commuter Rail ridership declines in this area are not in line with national trends. My hunch is the T has reached a point where they are now pricing themselves out of the opportunity to increase and retain ridership on this portion of the system.
 
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Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Yeah, when I advocate for fare hikes, I'm not really talking about the CR. That needs to remain competitive to the distance-commuting community. There's a lot of wiggle room with subway and bus fares.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

I'm hesitant that they should really be doing heavy cuts on the pay side, when we're already having accidents caused by people who feel they have to work additional jobs on the side. (Obviously it's not the MBTA's fault when someone is too tired to see another trolley right in front of them, but it's still expensive for the agency)

How much does a car dealer pay for the exact same job here:

http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/career_opps/?cid=26412

Want to drive a train? Enter the lottery!!! Want to deal with the public? We don't care about customer service skills-- just that we picked your number!

http://www.mbtajoblottery.com/

$20/hour for unskilled labor + health insurance and benefits


Don't forget the pension and healthcare costs-- retire after 25 years with a pension and health insurance for the rest of your life.

http://www.masstaxpayers.org/sites/masstaxpayers.org/files/MBTA report - NT.pdf

Most retirees make no contribution to the cost of the premium. Former employees who are under 65 and retired between July 7, 2008 and December 31, 2008 pay 10 percent of the monthly premiums until they turn 65 at which time they receive free health insurance paid by the MBTA. Employees under 65 who retire after December 31, 2008 will contribute the same amount that state workers pay for their health insurance, which is currently 15 percent for most state employees. However, once an MBTA retiree turns 65, his or her health insurance is completely paid for by the MBTA. In contrast, state retirees, regardless of their age, continue to contribute toward the cost of their health coverage.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

No, if you want to encourage urbanism (and isn't that why we are here?), T fares should be as low as possible, even if that means having them subsidized by suburban sprawl dwellers. Not to mention the environmental benefits....

Wow, Ron, seriously?
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Yes. Why would you object to this statement?
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Yes. Why would you object to this statement?

Then why not suggest we just make the MBTA free?

Or we could, you know, stop subsidizing suburbs (stop subsidizing EVERYTHING is even better) and watch good urbanism occur naturally.

"Government did x, so I propose government does y so that we achieve z. And we can do it all by extorting Group A and Group B."
 
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How do you know $10 isn't the best price for an MBTA subway ride? Raising to $2 had zero ridership impact. That alone means they should try raising it again (and again, and again...) until there is some evidence of reduced ridership. If the demand exists and people are willing to pay, then why should the system remain financially crippled?

Public transit is vastly less expensive than owning and operating a car. Between gas, parking, insurance, maintenance, and depreciation - I wouldn't be surprised if $10 subway fare is still cheaper for most people for most trips.

Yes, fuck poor people.

If they want to apply for a job, then they should walk.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Yes, fuck poor people.

If they want to apply for a job, then they should walk.

Ease up on the hyperbole.

Stuff a couple T passes in the envelope with the welfare checks. Have a big bowl of T passes at the unemployment office (like the condom bowl in college). Expand the reduced fare program.

There are a dozen ideas to alleviate the burden on the poor which are sustainable. Current T revenues are not sustainable and most riders can afford a higher fare. It doesn't make any sense to continue down this path.

As BostonExUrb asked - why not make it free? Because the money has to come from somewhere and the state isn't pitching in enough to make it free. The aren't pitching in enough to make it $2 a ride today and guess what - they aren't going to put up enough to make $2 a ride work tomorrow.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

To satisfy my curiosity I googled the mbta commuter rail ridership stats and saw on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBTA_Commuter_Rail ) that mbta commuter rail ridership is down from 143k daily riders in 2008 to 130k to 2011. Regarding the the recent fare increase in July 2012, you have to go to the source data cited on the wikipedia page, which is the www.apta.com, the american public transit assoc., There you will see the most recent available ridership stats which show a slight decline in comm. rail ridership for 3rd quarter 2012 following the recent fare increase compared to the preceding year.

The ridership increase on the T, particularly the central subway, likely due to a improving economy, etc. seem not to be applicable to the commuter rail. Commuter Rail ridership declines in this area are not in line with national trends. My hunch is the T has reached a point where they are now pricing themselves out of the opportunity to increase and retain ridership on this portion of the system.

Data is king. Thanks for the leg work.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

I wonder if rather than just being explained by the increased cost, if ridership on CR being down isn't related to ridership on the T being up. Might be that the total numbers are the same, but housing trends have moved people from CR serviced areas to T serviced areas. That's pure speculation, but it makes some sense as a hypothesis and is probably something to think about in terms of potential fare increases.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Strategic bankruptcy anyone?
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Strategic bankruptcy anyone?

Chapter 9's reeeeeaaaaaalllllly hard to pull off. The feds don't allow it for public authorities and municipalities unless the state or local level has exhausted every available means in their power of righting the situation, or can demonstrate that no means within their power will right the situation.

Seeing as how the Legislature hasn't lifted one bloody finger yet, and that there are duh-obvious solutions like transferring the Big Dig debt which would take away the most acute stressors...there's zero chance that'll be allowed. The filing will be dismissed on-sight before there's ever even a hearing. Chapter 9's limited, rare, and punitive enough that they can't really 'game' their way into it out of pure laziness. It's not meant to be a tactical bankruptcy filing like Chapter 11 or others; it's the literal last resort.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Does anyone honestly believe the financial situation of the MBTA will get any better, or at least to the point where we don't see these dire situations presented to us, within the next 5-7 years? I can't help but laugh every time the Globe, or the Herald have these articles painting an awful picture for the MBTA.

All these articles and press conferences do is piss people off from the suburbs, or people who feel they're being taxed in order to pay for a service they don't use.

And then you have the people who think the whole MBTA should be shut down, like that would be a good idea.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Does anyone honestly believe the financial situation of the MBTA will get any better, or at least to the point where we don't see these dire situations presented to us, within the next 5-7 years? I can't help but laugh every time the Globe, or the Herald have these articles painting an awful picture for the MBTA.

All these articles and press conferences do is piss people off from the suburbs, or people who feel they're being taxed in order to pay for a service they don't use.

And then you have the people who think the whole MBTA should be shut down, like that would be a good idea.

Transferring the Big Dig debt alone takes $100M off each payment installment on the debt service. You bet your ass that's a way rosier financial scenario. The remainder of the debt service is at least within ballpark range of payable with disciplined internal reform. And that's before we even get to raising taxes.

Yes, it's hard. But in some ways it's a manufactured crisis because of where that road debt is sitting. No excuses for them to complain if they won't even take Step 1...by far the easiest, most justifiable, and most beneficial step..by moving the debt. MassHighway's not exactly in great shape, but it's more capable of keeping up with that debt service than the T. And Massport is profitable. Share the frickin' load between the three, and apportion it properly to the asphalt vs. transit folks.


Manufactured crises don't engender a lot of sympathy.
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Is there any reason that the infastructure and operations of the T couldn't be transfered to another agency (let's say massport)? Then have the MBTA remain as a shell agency with loads of debt, in charge of something banal such as selling advertising space and making the system maps? This way the operation and maintance is carried out by an agency not riddled with debt, while the MBTA still exists to avoid chapter 9.
 
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Does the MBTA produce their financials for the public to view?
 
Re: Driven By Customer 'Service' Parte Dos

Is there any reason that the infastructure and operations of the T couldn't be transfered to another agency (let's say massport)? Then have the MBTA remain as a shell agency with loads of debt, in charge of something banal such as selling advertising space and making the system maps? This way the operation and maintance is carried out by an agency not riddled with debt, while the MBTA still exists to avoid chapter 9.

That's kind of playing whack-a-mole with the issues. There are some efficiencies that they can gain here:

-- Consolidate more central functions to MassDOT. Payroll, healthcare, etc. If they can renegotiate some of the labor agreements, try to get those as pan-MassDOT as possible so there's less institutional fiefdomship with labor practices. Centralize fare collection. Charlie needs to become way more universal across modes. Hell, integrate EZ-Pass and all manner of parking lots into a single universal customer account. Saves admin money, increases utilization statewide, makes apportioning revenue to the sub-agencies more equitable.

-- Transfer the ferries to Massport. Largely cosmetic, but the water mode is such an outlier for the T it's got more in common with, say, the Steamship Authority.

-- Transfer all common-carrier RR ROW ownership to MassDOT. Every other Northeastern state has the buck stop at the DOT...even CT with its Metro North lines. Basically, every mile that isn't shared with rapid transit (and if they build new ones alongside, transfer ownership back to the T for $1 or something). Have them just retain stations and just ops-specific layover yards. Then their cost scrutiny gets zeroed in where it should be: station lard. No easy way to bury cost overruns for one eye candy station in a corridor project. It's a little absurd that public ownership of the ROW's is fragmented amongst the T, MassDOT, DCR, and even the Mass Water Resources Authority for the Fore River branch in Quincy. Freights use the T-owned lines. The T's engineering dept. has to get borrowed and reimbursed way out-of-district in places they don't run. They've got several lines (the Greenville Branch active for one stinking Pan Am customer? the remains of the Hanover, Topsfield, Stoneham, and Bridgewater branches?) that have absolutely zero passenger potential in the next century. And they are completely fucking incompetent at preserving abandoned lines...with turf wars frequently erupting with DCR. Enough.

-- I don't think commuter rail should be spun off. We don't have overlapping commuter districts where a "MassRail" makes sense, because all lines do go one-seat to Boston. ROW ownership and MassDOT getting its own rail dept. (or a more robust lend-lease partnership with the T's engineering) keeps the playing field level enough for all common carriers and ought to help the freights and the excursion passenger carriers a lot. If Western MA gets commuter rail up the Conn River it's easier to tether off CTDOT or Amtrak mercenaries than to reach across state. I DO think that they need to get with the program and run it all in-house, because the private outsourcing is milking them dry, is awful for transparency, and is letting them waste too much time on eye candy and unacceptable-risk equipment purchases while ignoring ops. Every CR system of comparable size runs it in-house for a reason. Do a 5-year MBCR renewal since they don't have much of a choice, then git 'r dun transitioning it inside.

-- Consolidate planning and procurement into some dashed-line reporting relationship with MassDOT. Cut this bullshit about having custom equipment for every mode and force some higher authority to ask them to price out modifying Green Line clearances so they can order off-shelf trolleys...and similar. Reform the bidding process so projects have more reliable numbers than just throwing shit at the wall. Take them to task for these station projects that are guaranteed to sail 20% over budget every time, and those 40% contingencies that aren't real but never ever disappear from the conversation when they're talking themselves out of improving the system. On the flipside, they need to have total control over projects like South Coast FAIL that are totally unaccountable because some Governor's task force has to be the intermediary promising ponies to the out-of-district towns. The T can't be bound and gagged like that. They have big reservations about the project, but it's out of their control because of so much outside meddling.

-- Get the asphalt folks paying their fare share for these parking overbuilds and station driveway work that do little more than move more cars around faster. Yes, they "own" the park-and-ride work...but it's stretching it to force the T to pay for traffic flow improvements in a wide radius around the station. And get them paying their fare share for grade crossing improvements and grade separations where the T is similarly paying for road improvements that benefit only the roads. That's a shared responsibility, and it's totally dysfunctional to use the rail transit agency to get free streetscaping or other car-only frills.
 

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