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Just be aware that there are several trains that may still be missing their GPS transponder unit, or don't have it enabled right. So analysis isn't going to be accurate.

I spotted at least 3 such so-called "stealth trains" on Friday afternoon in less than an hour. The T jokingly referred to them as "bonus trains" because they're thinking from the perspective of someone waiting, not from the perspective of someone monitoring data.
 
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I was recently down in Sydney and snapped this photo of the schedule screen they have at all of their platforms. It would be nice if we could get something similar here in Boston.

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Does anyone have any idea of when the MBTA is going to finish up with the Columbia Junction Signal Replacement Project? It's been going on for years now and the weekend bustitution is seriously starting to get under my skin.
 
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Does anyone have any idea of when the MBTA is going to finish up with the Columbia Junction Signal Replacement Project? It's been going on for years now and the weekend bustitution is seriously starting to get under my skin.

There are at least two more weekend before the end of the year, should be close to completion.
 
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The first Type 7 to be refurbished is done and will be returning to service in 2 months.

On Tuesday, Alstom Transportation, the Hornell, New York-based company that won a $104 million contract with the MBTA in 2012 to conduct a “complete systems overhaul” of 86 of the transit agency’s Type 7 trolleys, announced that they completed the first of the fixes and sent the vehicle back to Massachusetts.

According to T spokesman Joe Pesaturo, once the “pilot car” arrives on Wednesday it will be subjected to two months of performance testing to make sure the trolley meets the transportation company’s satisfaction. Then, it will go into passenger service sometime between late January or early February of 2015.

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2014/11/18/green-line-refurbished-trolley-sent-home/

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OMG they need some interior pics.

From the outside though, it appears the roof systems have been reconfigured, and the roof itself redone (or at least repainted).

IMO, the type 7s are some of the best transit equipment the T has, so I'm really excited about this overhaul.
 
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OMG they need some interior pics.

From the outside though, it appears the roof systems have been reconfigured, and the roof itself redone (or at least repainted).

IMO, the type 7s are some of the best transit equipment the T has, so I'm really excited about this overhaul.

All the HVAC crap on the roof got redone. And carbodies got corrosion abatement, so all the rebuilds will come back with this paint scheme.

I can't tell at all from the glare in that pic if they changed out those horrible LCD destination signs for real LED's.
 
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The change on the HVAC is huge. This looks very distinguished, very classic, in a PCC sort of way, which is a good thing. This pleases me.
 
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The state of current Type 7s:
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Note: Not the same car. Notice the older paint scheme and messy HVAC on the roof.

Edit: It appears that the car they sent was a newer Type 7 that wasn't actually in that bad of shape, at least visibly. MBTA 3614 before: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ck4049/8075819163/
 
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All the HVAC crap on the roof got redone. And carbodies got corrosion abatement, so all the rebuilds will come back with this paint scheme.

I can't tell at all from the glare in that pic if they changed out those horrible LCD destination signs for real LED's.

Unfortunately, no change to the signs
 
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The change on the HVAC is huge. This looks very distinguished, very classic, in a PCC sort of way, which is a good thing. This pleases me.

That photo was taken before the car was complete, new HVAC equipment is on the roof of the completed car.

EDIT ADDITION
link to a story with a photo of the completed car with the roof equipment installed and number decals applied from the local Hornell NY newspaper.
http://www.eveningtribune.com/article/20141118/NEWS/141119685

Also note that the story and the MBTA press releases claim the cars are getting new propulsion systems. That is incorrect, the are overhauling/refurbishing the existing D.C. control system and motors that the cars have always had.
 
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The state of current Type 7s:

Note: Not the same car. Notice the older paint scheme and messy HVAC on the roof.

Edit: It appears that the car they sent was a newer Type 7 that wasn't actually in that bad of shape, at least visibly. MBTA 3614 before: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ck4049/8075819163/

The pilot car 3614 is actually older than the car in the photo, back through the 1990s-mid 2000s the MBTA did do in-house repainting of the 3600-series Type 7s and with a few exceptions, they went in numerical order from lowest numbered (oldest) to highest. The repainted cars were done in the teal paint scheme. The 20 1997-built 3700s were delivered in the teal paint. The problem with the paint job on the 3600s isn't just age/wear, the body filler began drying out at an early date and the paint started coming off in chunks. The cars that were repainted by the MBTA had to be sandblasted to remove all of the original paint and body filler. The repainting process required windows, doors, trucks, and roof-mounted equipment to be removed before the carbody could be sandblasted. That's one reason why the MBTA never finished repainting the cars in-house, as it took a long time per car and was expensive. As part of the present overhaul, all cars, whether low-numbered cars repainted in teal or high-numbered cars in the original paint, will be sandblasted and repainted. The paint job on the later 3700s has not had the same issues as the 3600s, although those cars will also be repainted if they pick-up the option to overhaul the surviving 3700s.
 
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All the HVAC crap on the roof got redone. And carbodies got corrosion abatement, so all the rebuilds will come back with this paint scheme.

Will the 8s and 9s also get the scheme over time? It seems silly to repaint these cars in a livery that if memory serves has been superseded twice (though I could be wrong).
 
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Will the 8s and 9s also get the scheme over time? It seems silly to repaint these cars in a livery that if memory serves has been superseded twice (though I could be wrong).

The 9s will get a version of the dark green scheme. The 8s exterior includes fiberglass panels in the gray/teal scheme which would not be easy to change.
 
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The 9s will get a version of the dark green scheme. The 8s exterior includes fiberglass panels in the gray/teal scheme which would not be easy to change.

Well, that was certainly some awesome foresight. Other transit agencies do crazy things like soliciting public feedback before permanently selecting a color scheme, but not the MBTA...
 
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The pilot car 3614 is actually older than the car in the photo, back through the 1990s-mid 2000s the MBTA did do in-house repainting of the 3600-series Type 7s and with a few exceptions, they went in numerical order from lowest numbered (oldest) to highest. The repainted cars were done in the teal paint scheme. The 20 1997-built 3700s were delivered in the teal paint. The problem with the paint job on the 3600s isn't just age/wear, the body filler began drying out at an early date and the paint started coming off in chunks. The cars that were repainted by the MBTA had to be sandblasted to remove all of the original paint and body filler. The repainting process required windows, doors, trucks, and roof-mounted equipment to be removed before the carbody could be sandblasted. That's one reason why the MBTA never finished repainting the cars in-house, as it took a long time per car and was expensive. As part of the present overhaul, all cars, whether low-numbered cars repainted in teal or high-numbered cars in the original paint, will be sandblasted and repainted. The paint job on the later 3700s has not had the same issues as the 3600s, although those cars will also be repainted if they pick-up the option to overhaul the surviving 3700s.

Thank you for the explanation. Do you know why this car was selected and not one that is literally corroding away like the one in the photo?
 
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Thank you for the explanation. Do you know why this car was selected and not one that is literally corroding away like the one in the photo?

Pilot car for testing the mods before making any changes to the rebuild program. So for evaluation purposes it was easier to start with one that didn't need enormous amount of TLC. The plan once they're locked-and-loaded is to do the most-ailing cars first. There's a +20 option order on the back end of this for doing the rest of them beyond the initial 86 units, so if for some reason the funding or satisfaction with the program isn't there to pick up the option they'll have the 3700's and best-of-the-rest 3600's isolated to the end of the queue if they have to live out their years as non-rebuilds.

Chances are they will pick up the option, though. One of the upshots is that they're shipping (have shipped) all of the stored wrecks out to the factory to attempt re-mating any salvageable end pairs into new working cars. And hopefully net some new work cars out of the salvages. All 3 of their Boeing work cars are shot and may not survive more than a couple more years. The dark green maintenance-of-way car that used to live at Reservoir in the back yard is already dead and retired. The re-railer car that lived on the pocket track near Arlington has shot propulsion and has to be towed onsite by a Type 7...meaning it takes longer than it used to to clear a derailed train. And the neat-looking orange/creme painted track geometry car likewise has to be towed. Means they have to sideline more revenue cars than they're comfortable doing for work rotation on the overnight shift instead of carrying passengers.


BTW...this was the "before" shot of 3614 arriving at the factory:

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The "STOP" sign on the doors is just window wrap so that gets stickied on after the fact.
 
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Thank you for the explanation. Do you know why this car was selected and not one that is literally corroding away like the one in the photo?

Cars with leaky roofs plus a couple of accident repair cars were the first group to go off, the next group of 5 or 6 cars to go will include more cars that were already out of service with derailment damage. Once those cars are in the program and they start receiving/sending cars at the rate of one per week, they might start concentrating on the ones with poor cosmetic appearance.
 

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