Green Line Type 10 Procurement

I hope the seats are vinyl and have some plushiness. The hard plastic benches on the CRRC traincars are awful compared to other modern traincars (I'm thinking DC Metro 7000 series and Siemens LRVs).
 
The T experimented with cloth on the 1800s. It didn’t end well. They were a magnet for grime and a maintenance issue. Prior attempts with vinyl were worse.
 
RandomWalk said:
The T experimented with cloth on the 1800s. It didn’t end well. They were a magnet for grime and a maintenance issue. Prior attempts with vinyl were worse.
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The 1800s seats seem a lot less easy to clean than the plushier Green Line seats, Siemens LRVs, the Washington Metro, or even the commuter rail seats. Many other transit agencies in the US seem to be able to keep comfortable, plushy seats clean. WMATA is even using vinyl seats on its buses (moving away from cloth which I agree is tough for maintenance!) https://wtop.com/dc-transit/2024/06/same-seat-new-surface-wmata-goes-from-cloth-to-vinyl-bus-seats/. La metro did the same on their trains a few years ago https://www.vice.com/en/article/la-metro-replacing-gross-fabric-seats/.
 
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TheRatmeister said:
Sure but it opened up amazing fashion opportunities
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There is a whole industry in London for fashion accessories matching the different London Underground fabrics.

www.theguardian.com

Sitting pretty: London transport fabrics over the decades â in pictures

As part of the Celebrating Britain’s Transport Textile project, London Transport Museum curator Georgia Morley has researched the hard-wearing and distinctively patterned fabrics that have covered Britain’s transport seating since the 1920s
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nortor said:
I hope the seats are vinyl and have some plushiness. The hard plastic benches on the CRRC traincars are awful compared to other modern traincars (I'm thinking DC Metro 7000 series and Siemens LRVs).
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Blame that on the vandals that kept on cutting up & vandalizing the soft cushioned seats that were featured on the earlier trains & buses. Now when new equipment comes out, we are forced to live with the hard plastic seats. :eek:
 
nortor said:
I hope the seats are vinyl and have some plushiness. The hard plastic benches on the CRRC traincars are awful compared to other modern traincars (I'm thinking DC Metro 7000 series and Siemens LRVs).
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My two cents are that urban rapid transit is not intended to be something people need to spend much time on (hence prioritizing standing room) so cheaper, easier to clean, sanitize, etc. seats are preferred over comfort. But the Green Line is in a unique position where it is in every way a tram (expect D and GLX), that should be to serve a high volume of short on-off trips, but instead is the only high capacity transit connection to its service area and therefore has most passengers spending a ridiculously long time on-board and should have a little nicer seats for that.
 
Koopzilla24 said:
My two cents are that urban rapid transit is not intended to be something people need to spend much time on (hence prioritizing standing room) so cheaper, easier to clean, sanitize, etc. seats are preferred over comfort. But the Green Line is in a unique position where it is in every way a tram (expect D and GLX), that should be to serve a high volume of short on-off trips, but instead is the only high capacity transit connection to its service area and therefore has most passengers spending a ridiculously long time on-board and should have a little nicer seats for that.
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Agreed in theory, although a lot of people have long commutes on, ie, the Red Line, or commutes that involve long bus journeys (or drives) and then transfers to rapid transit. I personally would prefer the comfortable seats for most journeys, but I get there are tradeoffs. I do think the CRRC seats are particularly uncomfortable.
 
nortor said:
Agreed in theory, although a lot of people have long commutes on, ie, the Red Line, or commutes that involve long bus journeys (or drives) and then transfers to rapid transit. I personally would prefer the comfortable seats for most journeys, but I get there are tradeoffs. I do think the CRRC seats are particularly uncomfortable.
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I'm right with you that the new hard flat plastic seats are both uncomfortable and not very ergonomic. It would've been nice if they made them more bucket-shaped like the NYC subway seats at the very least. I guess it's pretty subjective what is considered a long commute. Even with the Red Line from Braintree back down to 30min, while to me that's the upper end of a short journey, I know a few of my friends that feel otherwise about anything longer than 15min.

For buses, I really wish we utilized more alternative types of buses to suit certain routes characteristics like every other city's transit systems such as coach express and double-decker peak oriented routes. Maybe not exactly those options but at least one of the '08 D40LFs out of Quincy has this interior:
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I happened to catch it on the 245 but don't remember the bus number. It was crazy comfortable for a transit bus ride and it would be nice if buses on long routes like the 34E, 62, 137, etc. had these kinds of higher comfort interiors. But thats leaving the realm of this GL Type 10 thread. This level of comfort I feel is a bit too far for rapid transit and the seat would wear out very quickly from the number of passenger turnover.
 
Those look very comfy! I was more suggesting something like the vinyl seats on, ie Sacramento Siemens LRVs seen here
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or a less plushy version of Washington metro seats (which are definitely meant for longer journeys but nice on short ones too)
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Not sure what the wear characteristics of either are, but I found both very comfortable.
 
nortor said:
I hope the seats are vinyl and have some plushiness. The hard plastic benches on the CRRC traincars are awful compared to other modern traincars (I'm thinking DC Metro 7000 series and Siemens LRVs).
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I think that I got a solution; Grab a small pillow & take it with you.Use it when riding the bus or train, then make sure that you have it with you on the way back home. I would!!! :)
 
nortor said:
I do think the CRRC seats are particularly uncomfortable.
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I know a lot of people share that experience, but I find them reasonably comfortable. Really, the only MBTA system seats I don't much like are on the Blue Line, because they are too slippery. When the train accelerates, I find myself needing to grab a pole just to keep from sliding down the bench. The tactile aspect of the CRRC seats fixes that issue.
 
There still are cusioned seats on the Commuter Rail, but as far as anything else, it's not happening. Even tables, it has!!!! :(
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