I-695, Soutwst X-Way, Mystic Valley Prkway, S. End Bypass

The US has piddled about with it for about 40 years -- no one thinks its worthwhile now because of the long-term glut of natural gas -- and so the focus is on Clean coal for stationary power plants and synthetic liquid fuels from natural gas for transportation

Why put off until tomorrow what you can accomplish today?

If we perfect this synthesis now then we won't have everyone freaking out 10, 20, 40, 50 years down the road... "we don't have time to develop this technology before the oil runs out... EVERYONE PANIC!"

Wouldn't it be better to have this on hand so that years down the line "fortunately, because we decided not to keep kicking the can, we have a replacement product ready to go. It's cool guys, don't panic."
 
I get that oil is related to highways and all, but can we try to keep this about the SWX please...
 
You heard here first, folks! Oil is unlimited! Rejoice and top off your tank!

Urb -- No -- But "Peak Oil" as a sudden collapse of the supply of oil and consequently modern "western" civilization is a myth

Oil like all scarce materials is produced based on the balance of the costs to produce and price which the consumer is willing to pay for it. Even in the presence of cartels and other attempts to control the market -- the Law of Supply and Demand will inexorably win out.

Like all scarce materials the producers will produce more at an increasing cost of production (i.e. find and extract harder to extract sources) as the demand drives up the price. Some can easily do this such as the Saudis whose costs of production right now is substantially less than 10$ / barrel. Others' production is very closely tied to the market price such as the exotic means of extraction of residual oil from old fields in Texas. They wlll just shut down if the price was to drop much because of their high cost of production.

Meanwhile consumers will consume less (the amount they decrease their consumption as the price rises) is known as price elasticity of consumption -- some will consume the same amount irrespective of price (e.g. Police Departments, DOD), others are exquisitely sensive to the cost and will find an alternative (e.g. retired people riding about the country in motor homes).

Overall as the easier to extact oil is depleted -- the price will rise -- but as it does more oil will come to the market and more consumers will find alternative -- the system will be dynamically in balance as it has been since oil was discovered. The primary use then was to take the less volatile material (kerosene) and burn it as a replacement for whale oil. The volatile fraction (gasoline) was dumped until the internal combustion engine offered a use for it. Similarly, for much of the history of the oil bidness, natural gas separated from the oil at the wellhead was flared as it was explosive and there were no pipelines.

Today, secondary recovery of untapped petroleum in old fields by solvent extraction combined with directional drilling and yes hydraulic fracturing of the rock ("fracking") enabling recovery from previously uneconomic deposits has regenerated old oil producing regions of Texas and even Pennsyvania. In addition, vast deposits previously unknown or inaccessible in places such as the Baaken formation have completely altered the known reserves in North America.

Texas today probably can extract as much more oil from the existing discoveries as has ben produced to date. If Alaska's huge untapped reserves prove to be as large as they may be -- the US would be back at #1 in global production with producible reserves at current prices (not even counting shale-oil) in excess of any country in the world.

Ergo Peak Oil is a Myth and not even a very instructive one
 
That is polyanna almost to the point of delirium.

F-Line -- No its the new reality

Once the new Congress and President are in office -- you will see an energy boom -- based on petroleum (oil and natural gas) which will approach the immediate post WWII if not even an earlier period.

Why -- money!! -- the revenues to the Federal Treaury based on extracting a Trillion Barrels at $100 per barrel from Federal lands -- that by itslelf could wipe away the long term debt in just about 25 years

The US has vast reserves which are now extractable through new technologies including: sophisticated resevoir modeling, 3D seizmic profiling, and GPS-guided directional drilling. Indeed official views are being expressed that US combined with Canadian reserves make the Middle East potentially an irrelvancy for our consumption and potentially the US could return to being an oil exporter.

The revalations of this abundance -- Finally on the Public Record -- is the reason that the militant anti-hydrocarbon activists are desparately trying to enact rules through the EPA limiting the development on private and state lands the same way that they've crushed the near off-shore operations and essentially banned all petroleum drilling in the on-shore Federal Lands. This process started under Jimmy the Peanut and accelerated during the Al Gore period. But it is over and the next step is to "Drill, Drill and Drill Some More!!"
 
Wow. Whatever you're smoking there, please do share with the rest of the class. That is a more pie-in-sky optimistic take than the most optimistic-ever spin to come from the fossil fuel lobby itself or its most hardcore messaging parrotheads. By a lot.


We're gonna need separate Crazy Energy Pitches and Reasonable Energy Pitches threads to house this one.
 
Wow. Whatever you're smoking there, please do share with the rest of the class. That is a more pie-in-sky optimistic take than the most optimistic-ever spin to come from the fossil fuel lobby itself or its most hardcore messaging parrotheads. By a lot.


We're gonna need separate Crazy Energy Pitches and Reasonable Energy Pitches threads to house this one.

"Delirium" doesn't seem so far off anymore, eh?
 
Could we stay on the subject of the cancelled highways please?

The Saugus Alternative Energy Committee plans on using the abandoned I-95 roadbed in Rumney Marsh for 1-3 wind turbines, a slew of solar panels, and a linear park.

</abandoned highway discussion>
 
The WIT Architecture Dept has THE map of ALL maps that my professor discovered today. It's a BRA map in color from 1968 of Roxbury Xing to the Fenway showing the SWX and Inner Belt. The Inner Belt was actually going to go under the Fenway.

I need it for studio, so I'm working on getting it large-format scanned hopefully with the help of my previous co-op employer. Look for it to be posted soon!
 
The newer viewer at mapjunction I believe has the urban renewal plans scanned properly. Though I don't have any idea how to link from that version.
 
You used to be able to download those at full scale. I have the set of the urban renewal maps but my Government Center is at a smaller scale :( I totally want to print these out.
 
I bring you... the Fenway Redevelopment Plan! (Showing the SWX<>Inner Belt Connector)

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Fenway Urban Renewal Plan, BRA, 1968

A PDF (300DPI) is available here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/porib1
 
Add Audubon Circle to the list of neighborhoods that would have been destroyed, or at least seriously damaged.

I guess they figured that since Sears had already paved over the Fenway-Riverway connection for a parking lot, they could just compound the damage by turning the parking lot into a depressed freeway trench.
 
"And now let's check in with the WBZ copter for an update from the MFA overpass..."

Wow, that would've been terrible. And look at the way Longwood is gutted by towers in the park, which would have ruined its potential.

On the plus side, Boylston and Mass Ave. actually has air rights development over it, so there's that.
 
"And now let's check in with the WBZ copter for an update from the MFA overpass..."

Wow, that would've been terrible. And look at the way Longwood is gutted by towers in the park, which would have ruined its potential.

On the plus side, Boylston and Mass Ave. actually has air rights development over it, so there's that.
Not just the towers in a park, but look at all the brick plazas! Plazas to nowhere! Everything about this map is a terrible, terrible, idea.
 
If this had been built, it's highly likely that the big dig would have entailed tearing down the central artery and simply replacing it with a boulevard a good 15 years sooner than it happened in real life. There still would have been functional highways reaching downtown, but they simply would have ended at the location of the tunnel reaching the surface and the current location of the Zakim bridge.

Then the big dig would have buried the inner belt, leaving the area as a whole with much better transportation access-- it wouldn't take me 45 minutes to get from cleveland circle to Tufts on a saturday afternoon
 

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