Logan Airport Capital Projects

[ssresident]

Thanks--should have added, it appears they're using the same themes/colors as the C-E connector.

 

[mass88]

Over on airliners.net, someone posted a PDF of the Massport annual meeting from back in June. The expansion of Terminal E was discussed – see pages 78-103 for the details on the proposal. This looks pretty fantastic, especially when compared to the rest of the airport. 7 new gates of which 5 will have dual jet bridges. It looks like space for 3 new airline clubs. Expanded customs and immigration areas. The unfortunate thing is that the expansion will look a lot different than the rest of the terminal. We’d see Terminal E have 3 distinctly different looking areas on the exterior; this new 7 gate expansion, gates W10-12 and then gates E1-9.

http://massport.com/media/2407/061517-board-meeting-_-visual-materials_website_watermark.pdf

 

[bigpicture7]

^ that is some seriously bold design. Thanks very much for posting.

 

[datadyne007]

Over on airliners.net, someone posted a PDF of the Massport annual meeting from back in June. The expansion of Terminal E was discussed – see pages 78-103 for the details on the proposal. This looks pretty fantastic, especially when compared to the rest of the airport. 7 new gates of which 5 will have dual jet bridges. It looks like space for 3 new airline clubs. Expanded customs and immigration areas. The unfortunate thing is that the expansion will look a lot different than the rest of the terminal. We’d see Terminal E have 3 distinctly different looking areas on the exterior; this new 7 gate expansion, gates W10-12 and then gates E1-9.

http://massport.com/media/2407/061517-board-meeting-_-visual-materials_website_watermark.pdf

 

[mass88]

Thanks for posting the screenshots Data.

Looking at these slides makes me wonder why valuable terminal space is being wasted by that taxi pool/turn around area between E2 and E3?

 

[Equilibria]

Beautiful, of course. You almost never see a winter render, but I guess that makes the red stand out more...

This has nothing really to do with the design, but if they made that MBTA connector any longer, it would run through Chelsea.

 

[datadyne007]

This has nothing really to do with the design, but if they made that MBTA connector any longer, it would run through Chelsea.

The route for the BL connector is so tortured and just further highlights how useless it actually will be.

 

[bigpicture7]

The route for the BL connector is so tortured and just further highlights how useless it actually will be.

I respectfully disagree. Waiting for a shuttle - especially one that has to stop at the new rental car facility - is frustrating. I prefer taking the BL to the airport (unless I am right at/on the red or silver as my starting point). And to be able to stay in motion, from when I get off the train to wherever I'm going thru security, is just much more mentally desirable. I would personally use that connector every time I went to the airport.

Also, I agree with massport sentiment (I am sorry, I can't recall exactly where I heard/read it) that a direct connection to the subway is supremely welcoming for international travelers. However long the route may be, it's much easier to direct an international arriver with signage that clearly indicates "this way to the subway!" as opposed to trying to explain the silver line or shuttle bus system to them. It's just more welcoming, IMO.

 

[JeffDowntown]

The route for the BL connector is so tortured and just further highlights how useless it actually will be.

I echo this sentiment. Total disregard for passengers using public transit. Near useless, long, forbidding connection.

Spend some real money and shorten the route. It is the same cheapskate approach as the Silver Line connection to the Ted Williams.

 

[Equilibria]

I echo this sentiment. Total disregard for passengers using public transit. Near useless, long, forbidding connection.

Spend some real money and shorten the route. It is the same cheapskate approach as the Silver Line connection to the Ted Williams.

I suspect that the issue here is geometry - the ramps are so high in that area that a direct connector would come in well above the station's roof height. Still, though, they could put a set of elevators in that little parking lot... more or less right where they draw the connector meeting the station.

For now, I'd chalk this up to "we spent no time on that part, since it's post-2025". The connector will get its day with the architect, and then hopefully this will be resolved.

 

[atlantaden]

What's the proposed completion date of this proposed (or is this it) new terminal E expansion?

 

[mass88]

What's the proposed completion date of this proposed (or is this it) new terminal E expansion?

It's estimated to be completed by 2022. Massport should have been a lot more proactive in expanding Terminal E. With the massive uptick in international carriers and the associated additional traffic, an expansion should already be under construction.

 

[Equilibria]

It's estimated to be completed by 2022. Massport should have been a lot more proactive in expanding Terminal E. With the massive uptick in international carriers and the associated additional traffic, an expansion should already be under construction.

To be completely fair to them, an expansion just finished construction. You can't just start building something like this on a dime.

 

[mass88]

To be completely fair to them, an expansion just finished construction. You can't just start building something like this on a dime.

I agree, it's not reasonable to expect them to propose something like this and then have shovels in the ground the next day. I am thinking that when they first were drawing up the E10-12 rebuild, they should have had at least a portion of this new expansion in mind and made it a part of that project. So you would have had gates 10-12 completely rebuilt and expanded plus say 2 or 3 new gates as part of the project.

 

[Equilibria]

On a different topic, Massport's RFQ Q/A with prospective designers for the C/B connector confirms that they'll be looking at adding gates.

https://www.massport.com/capitalpro...9 RFQ Consultant - Responses to Questions.pdf

I hope they do. Specifically, I hope they add enough to use as swing space while they tear down the C piers and rebuild one-at-a-time. That would be hard, since the C piers have 11 gates each, but the B pier should have some extra space at the same time. Southwest won't be using all 7 of those gates. They can probably add 2 gates between B and C, plus the formerly underutilized B37 and B38. Add in 3 or 4 on Terminal B pier A, and you start to get close.

 

[atlantaden]

5+ years to build a 7 gate terminal expansion? Add to that how many possible years to redo Terminal C? By all means, Massport, move at glacial speed.

 

[mass88]

They need to do something about the gates Sun Country, Virgin America and Alaska uses - it's a disaster for those 3 gates.

 

[CSTH]

Awesome.

1. Has this actually been selected as design? Or is it one bid / proposal among many?

2. That main space looks great - the large pylons are reminiscent of the Madrid Airport

3. Big windows face north. I assume its an energy management choice. Still, curious that the city skyline is not featured here - or in any of the buildings at Logan.

4. The longest existing walk distance within a terminal at logan is (i think) in terminal A - from the curb to the southern-most gate is about 2,000 ft (and its no fun, but its not awful) - there are lots of longer schleps in other airports. I think this would come in slightly longer at about 2,300ft. (...and fwiw, if there were a post security connection, the walk from the curb at Terminal E to the nearest gate at Terminal A would be about the same - 2,300 ft)

5. The diagram of the connection across the road to the blue line station MUST be a placeholder - there's no way that pretzel gets built like that

6. Love all the trees in the winter rendering - really striking to see a building like this rendered without a roadway, loading space, etc. for such a long swath of ground level. But realistically that's all going to end up as surface parking, roadways, and a new gas station, right?

7. Red! This looks like Ferrari world. My wager is that it stays a bold color statement but gets changed to something less assertive - blue or green, or maybe even some flavor of silver - during the process.

8. Speaking of 'the process' - where's the community meeting space? (kidding / not kidding).

 

[BostonObserver]

3. Big windows face north. I assume its an energy management choice. Still, curious that the city skyline is not featured here - or in any of the buildings at Logan.

Page 94

5. The diagram of the connection across the road to the blue line station MUST be a placeholder - there's no way that pretzel gets built like that

For some reason page 79 was not posted, that has a more direct connector

 

[stellarfun]

They have started doing excavation work near B-15. I assume this is a first step leading to consolidation of American on the west side of B.