Logan Airport Capital Projects

The new A380 addition is coming along!



 
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Great shots.

Any word on who will be occupying the 3 clubs in the new expansion space? I was just reading the PDF and it notes 3 spaces for 8,000 sqf clubs each.
 
mass88 said:
Great shots.

Any word on who will be occupying the 3 clubs in the new expansion space? I was just reading the PDF and it notes 3 spaces for 8,000 sqf clubs each.
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I think BA and Lufthansa are givens along with Emirates probably.
 
kmp1284 said:
I think BA and Lufthansa are givens along with Emirates probably.
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Would Iberia and Aer Lingus use the BA club? Or would Swiss use the Lufthansa club?

Also, which of the 3 plans did Massport end up going with? A, B, or C? I am guessing it was either B or C based on the construction photos.
 
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Just arrived from Dubai. No good photos, but some quick observations.

Half of one of the jetways appears to be up. It's the white corrugated metal jetway style like the rest of Logan has - no glass ones visible.
 
mass88 said:
Would Iberia and Aer Lingus use the BA club? Or would Swiss use the Lufthansa club?

Also, which of the 3 plans did Massport end up going with? A, B, or C? I am guessing it was either B or C based on the construction photos.
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Mass -- According to the Final EIR document the selected alternatives are:
ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT

DATE July 2015
PREPARED FOR Massachusetts Port Authority
Terminal E Renovation and Enhancements at
Boston-Logan International Airport
EAST BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS

1) Terminals:
Terminal Alternative C (Proposed Action)
• Modify three gates to accommodate A380s/Group VI aircraft
• Construct three new holdrooms in a west portion of existing terminal
• Construct three new 8,000 square foot airline clubs
• Enhance concession/retail throughout Terminal E
• Reconfigure Mezzanine to add new holdroom on the east side

2) Airfield:
Airfield Alternative 3 (Proposed Action)
• No runway widening
• Stabilize runway shoulder runway 15R-33L to 50-feet west of the runway 4L-22R intersection only
• Modify pavement fi llets along 6 select taxiways
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mass88 said:
Would Iberia and Aer Lingus use the BA club? Or would Swiss use the Lufthansa club?
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You get club access by airline alliances. So you would get BA access with Iberia and Lufthansa access with Swiss. I am not sure about Aer Lingus as they aren't really part of an alliance but do have some connections with BA.
 
mass88 said:
Would Iberia and Aer Lingus use the BA club? Or would Swiss use the Lufthansa club?
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For the most part, yes. Iberia, along with JAL and Cathay use the BA club, Swiss uses the Lufthansa club and Alitalia uses the Air France club. Aer Lingus however had their own lounge and I think it had just been renovated before they moved their departures to C. I'm not sure about some of the newer entrants like Qatar and Copa since I haven't really been around. I'll be passing through Logan in March and I'm eager to see how it has all turned out by then.
 
You mean that they put in a special building / terminal just for this plane?
 
Jahvon09 said:
You mean that they put in a special building / terminal just for this plane?
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The 3 gates are for "Group VI" aircraft - The A380 & 747-8 ("748"). Terminal E needed the lounge & especially holdroom space anyway.

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datadyne007 said:
The 3 gates are for "Group VI" aircraft - The A380 & 747-8 ("748"). Terminal E needed the lounge & especially holdroom space anyway.
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Indeed, and notably, Lufthansa (a prime Term E tenant) has already been using the 748, which is highly non-ideal for the single jetway configuration of the old gates.

Having dual jetbridge gates will accelerate loading/deplaning times for multiple aircraft types. I think the 773 can use them too.
 
bigpicture7 said:
Indeed, and notably, Lufthansa (a prime Term E tenant) has already been using the 748, which is highly non-ideal for the single jetway configuration of the old gates.

Having dual jetbridge gates will accelerate loading/deplaning times for multiple aircraft types. I think the 773 can use them too.
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The 773 can use them too.

I have experience on the product development side at Boeing/Airbus so I can add a bit of color. Planes are only going to have wider wingspans going forward. Look at the 777x and the dreamliner, the wings are absolutely massive compared to the fuselage. This trend will only increase going forward. So there a two things that can be done: modify the airport or modify the plane. For the 777x, they chose to modify the plane by having folding wingtips. But that's expensive and adds weight ($). The airlines were thrilled that they could go to more airports but werent happy with the extra cost. As a result of this and other cases for products that weren't launched, option 2 is being explored more: modifying airports to have more distance between gates. My bet: many more airports will modify their gates to be able to hold bigger planes (also one jetway is a different for a torture for boarding/deplaning)

Just wait until the mods that will have to happen for the blended wing engine in about 10-30 years (sorry, cant be any more specific).
 
BuilditDenser said:
The 773 can use them too.

I have experience on the product development side at Boeing/Airbus so I can add a bit of color. Planes are only going to have wider wingspans going forward. Look at the 777x and the dreamliner, the wings are absolutely massive compared to the fuselage. This trend will only increase going forward. So there a two things that can be done: modify the airport or modify the plane. For the 777x, they chose to modify the plane by having folding wingtips. But that's expensive and adds weight ($). The airlines were thrilled that they could go to more airports but werent happy with the extra cost. As a result of this and other cases for products that weren't launched, option 2 is being explored more: modifying airports to have more distance between gates. My bet: many more airports will modify their gates to be able to hold bigger planes (also one jetway is a different for a torture for boarding/deplaning)

Just wait until the mods that will have to happen for the blended wing engine in about 10-30 years (sorry, cant be any more specific).
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Buildit -- I suspect that new spacing between gates for bigger planes is built into the plans for the Southwest Concourse -- essentially a whole new 7 gate sub terminal to be attached to the A380 end of terminal E.

The first phase of this new work will begin essentially as soon as the current work wraps up and is dedicated.

from the most recent document submitted by Secretary Matthew Beaton*1 to Mr. Richard Doucette*2

*1 Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs
MEPA Office
100 Cambridge Street, Suite 900
Boston, MA 02114

*2 Federal Aviation Administration
New England Region
1200 District Avenue
Burlington, MA 01803


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page 3-31 & 3-32
Boston-Logan International Airport, Terminal E Modernization Project
Environmental Assessment/Draft Environmental Impact Report (EEA #15434)
3.7 Proposed Action
Massport selected Terminal Alternative D and Roadway Option 2 as the Proposed Action (see Figures 3-9 through 3-13) ][original document not shown here].
Alternative D addresses the passenger and operational needs for the entire Terminal E, including the accommodation of future passenger volumes and aircraft operations, improved connections to the MBTA Blue Line station, expanded passenger processing capability, and passenger amenities throughout.

This configuration provides a physical barrier buffering noise from ground aircraft operations from the Airport roadways and East Boston Memorial Park beyond. The proposed modernization aims to right-size the passenger processing facilities, enhance the passenger level of service, and provide environmental enhancements compared to the No-Action Alternative.

Roadway Option 2 provides the smallest footprint on the Terminal E forecourt, while providing for efficient traffic operations along the new extended terminal frontage.

The Proposed Action would include the following components:
  • Seven new gates, three of which have been previously approved, to accommodate Group V aircraft with capability to accommodate Group IV and III aircraft;
  • New Customs and Border Protection Processing facilities;
  • Concessions, holdrooms, and passenger processing facilities;
  • Reconfigured roadways and exit ramps adjacent to Terminal E;
  • One additional lane at the outer curb (to provide a total of four);
  • New weather-protected direct pedestrian connection to the MBTA Blue Line subway station;
  • Partial dual taxilane on the airside to allow operational flexibility;
  • North Cargo Area and North Apron modifications to accommodate the new, larger terminal configuration;
  • Relocation of the adjacent gas station and United Parcel Service (UPS) operations to on-Airport locations,
  • New electrical substation to meet building demand;
  • Jet fuel hydrants at new gates; and
  • Adjustments to the stormwater system to allow for shift from paved apron to more roof runoff.

The new terminal configuration would require relocation of certain facilities and operations on the airside and landside that are currently occupying the space the new terminal would be built upon.
  • UPS would move its operations from the North Cargo Area to the South Cargo Area, utilizing existing taxiways, roadways, and buildings to accommodate the shift. No new facilities would need to be built to achieve UPS relocation.
  • The gas station located to the west of Terminal E would also need to be relocated to a previously developed parcel on the Airport.
  • Parking areas, ground support equipment storage, and some overnight aircraft parking positions would also be shifted to maximize the space available on the existing paved areas of the apron and ramp.
These relocated activities and associated traffic operations are included in the analysis of environmental effects of the Project detailed in Chapter 5, Environmental Consequences.

The new portion of the extended Terminal E structure would be four stories in height with a height ranging from 45 feet to 70 feet, and approximately 560,000 square feet of total area.

Within the terminal, space would be provided for passenger amenities to support future volumes, including additional ticket counters, new holdrooms at each of the seven new gates, the potential for a satellite Customs and Border Protection facility, four additional baggage carousels, restrooms, and club spaces, as well as retail space.

The new terminal area would require additional heating and cooling requirements. These would be provided from the existing Central Heating and Cooling Plant by planned efficiency upgrades over the next few years.

In addition to the above elements, Massport is also considering the installation of a new rooftop solar array on the extended terminal concourse.

3.7.1 Proposed Action – Project Phasing
Based on interim passenger and operational demand conditions and available budget, Massport is proposing that the Project be constructed in phases depending on funding availability. Construction of the Terminal E Modernization Project is planned to commence in 2018 with
  • the first phase complete by 2022
    The projected demand for the year 2022 is estimated to be 7 million annual passengers. Therefore, Phase 1 construction elements would not include all program elements proposed in the Proposed Action [Alternative D].

    Phase 1 would include:
    • the construction of four new gates accommodating Group V aircraft (or smaller)
    • associated holdrooms, and elevators/escalators to relieve existing deficiencies and accommodate interim growth.
    • A partial new concourse would be constructed and would allow for future expansion to a seven-gate facility.
    • Relocation of ground facilities that conflict with the new concourse location, including the gas station, would be included in Phase 1.
    The first phase would not require roadway realignment, as the terminal footprint would not impact the current roadway alignments. The interim phase provides a measured approach to the terminal expansion, providing facilities as they are needed, to mitigate the effect of international passenger demand fluctuations.
  • The three additional gates and the MBTA connection would be provided in the second phase of the Project [to be] built by 2028.
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Are there any renders, or other plans available for the new 7 gates beyond the overhead shading photos they released months ago?
 
mass88 said:
Are there any renders, or other plans available for the new 7 gates beyond the overhead shading photos they released months ago?
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Mass -- the Draft Final EIR is the most recent document of which I know and it's not really concerned with how things look -- just the footprint

I'm guessing that Massport is still working on what this Interim [Phase 1] will look like, cost, involve in construction -- there will be another document when they actually go out for bids on the Construction Manager at Risk.

That's the document with the pictures [the same process occurred for the A-380 work now being completed

Based on the timing of the documents for the A-380 enhancements -- I'm guessing pictures will arrive after the current work is dedicated -- Summer 2017?
 
Why not just build the damn thing as one construction project and get it over with instead of stretching it out. Literally, it's a fairly small, new terminal with seven new gates, big deal.
 
atlantaden said:
Why not just build the damn thing as one construction project and get it over with instead of stretching it out. Literally, it's a fairly small, new terminal with seven new gates, big deal.
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This is a government agency we're talking about. Nothing is ever done quickly or efficiently when it's a government agency, espically when that agency is located in the state of Massachusetts.
 
It's going to be interesting to see how they fit the 7 gate expansion in with the 380 expansion.
 
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