Logan Airport Flights and Airlines Discussion

Lrfox said:
There’s definitely a lot of connecting traffic. But KEF is a rapidly growing 0&D market too. Cargo (fish) is a big economic driver as well. Delta doesn’t have the connecting market which might be a deal breaker, but it does have a much better US feed for the 0&D traffic than WOW.
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Though I think the loss of Wow might hurt O and D traffic to Iceland. Iceland (other than cargo) is almost entirely composed of leisure travelers. And leisure travelers are much more sensitive to price, which Wow helped to bring down.

I think with 737 Max's and A321LR's able to easily cross the Atlantic ocean, some of the connecting traffic through Iceland will be affected. It won't totally go away, there are certainly markets too small to have a direct flight from BOS to Europe. However those markets also tend to be too small to have a flight directly to Iceland, unless they're in Scandinavia (which Iceland has close ties too).

So basically Norwegian is killing off the connecting market for Iceland carriers by offering cheap non stop flights to places like Paris, London, Dublin, etc. There will likely still be a connecting market to places like Oslo or Stockholm, but it's not huge.
 
tysmith95 said:
Tourism to Iceland has been growing exponentially. 700k Americans visited Iceland in 2018. And (going out on a limb here) Boston is probably one of the bigger markets, as it's closest to Iceland. People on the west coast who desire an "arctic" vacation are more likely to go to Alaska.
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A lot do that through free stopover programs on connecting flights to or from Europe. (Heavily marketed).
 
Oh how I wish City could accommodate an A321. I'd gladly pay the premium to avoid Heathrow Express, Picadilly Line, or the M4....or the shit hole that is Gatwick.
 
Bos77 said:
Oh how I wish City could accommodate an A321. I'd gladly pay the premium to avoid Heathrow Express, Picadilly Line, or the M4....or the shit hole that is Gatwick.
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They can accommodate a220s though. The a220-100 is approved and the a220-300 likely lies in the near future.

If you're feeling hopeful for jetblue, they do have a220s on order...
 
One more day to grab your cheap upgauged fares! Soon we'll have even more whaling in Boston Harbor.

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Jouhou said:
They can accommodate a220s though. The a220-100 is approved and the a220-300 likely lies in the near future.

If you're feeling hopeful for jetblue, they do have a220s on order...
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I doubt those planes have the range to cross the Atlantic though. The range is less than the older a320s.
 
tysmith95 said:
I doubt those planes have the range to cross the Atlantic though. The range is less than the older a320s.
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They can, and airbus has marketed this ability: https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflying.com/airbus-a220-etops-approved/amp/ . BA flies an A318 between JFK and LCY right now. It’s all business (lighter), but it does the JFK-LCY direction without a stop. It stops in SNN on the LCY-JFK leg for fuel, but SNN-JFK is still transatlantic. I don’t know if anyone plans to use the a220 for TATL flights, but the point is that the ability is there.
 
Lrfox said:
They can, and airbus has marketed this ability: https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflying.com/airbus-a220-etops-approved/amp/ . BA flies an A318 between JFK and LCY right now. It’s all business (lighter), but it does the JFK-LCY direction without a stop. It stops in SNN on the LCY-JFK leg for fuel, but SNN-JFK is still transatlantic. I don’t know if anyone plans to use the a220 for TATL flights, but the point is that the ability is there.
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If one has to make a technical stop for fuel, its not really a non-stop. Back in the day, a United 727 non-stop from Huntsville to Washington National sometimes had to take on fuel at Atlanta in the summer, because the Huntsville runway was too short for the takeoff weight.

The westbound flight does not appear in flight track databases.
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=EGLC&destination=KJFK

The eastbound flight typically runs about 30+ minutes longer than a BA 777 or 744 departing JFK at the same hour. Plus two diversions in the past 10 days to Gatwick.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW2/history/20190417/2235Z/KJFK/EGKK

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW112/history/20190420/2240Z/KJFK/EGLL
 
stellarfun said:
If one has to make a technical stop for fuel, its not really a non-stop. Back in the day, a United 727 non-stop from Huntsville to Washington National sometimes had to take on fuel at Atlanta in the summer, because the Huntsville runway was too short for the takeoff weight.

The westbound flight does not appear in flight track databases.
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=EGLC&destination=KJFK

The eastbound flight typically runs about 30+ minutes longer than a BA 777 or 744 departing JFK at the same hour. Plus two diversions in the past 10 days to Gatwick.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW2/history/20190417/2235Z/KJFK/EGKK

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW112/history/20190420/2240Z/KJFK/EGLL
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Oh I agree. I’m just pointing out that the a220 absolutely does have the range. It’s worth noting that the a318 does too. It stops in SNN for fuel not due to range, but because it can’t take off from LCY with full tanks (the weight would require more runway). It’s an interesting route, but even with the 30+ minutes of added time, it’s still nicer to arrive/depart LCY vs. LHR/LGW with only 37 other passengers max in an all business configuration.

Even if LCY remains a no-go, the a220 is TATL capable and is more efficient than older a318/19/20 aircraft. It can potentially serve light/lean US-Western Europe routes.

Edited to add, this plane (cs100 became the a220 when Airbus bought it from Bombardier) was specifically tested on the LCY-JFK route without the SNN stop and did it with more weight than the a318. https://aeronauticsonline.com/bombardier-cseries-flies-lcy-jfk-nonstop/ so while it’s still not a forgone conclusion it’ll happen, it’s a possibility and almost certainly a better alternative to the status quo.
 
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^ y'all are missing the most innovative aspect of the a318 LCY-SNN-JFK run:
its London-JFK curb-to-curb time is not impacted by the SNN stop because the passengers are shuffled through U.S. customs/immigration pre-clearance in SNN to make use of the time while the aircraft is being fueled.
So the value-prop for business travelers is very real because you get to use the much more convenient LCY airport without a substantial schedule time hit.

I agree, though, that it would of course be an improvement if an aircraft could do LCY-JFK route without the stop.
 
I erred on the westbound route.

Its in the database from Shannon to JFK. After further thought, I figured BA wouldn't ferry an empty plane westbound for an eastbound return.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW1/history/20190422/1100Z/EINN/KJFK

Overall flight time seems to average about 8.5 hours. Arrives JFK mid-afternoon, which is not a great time for business travelers. Wonder if the westbound flight sells seats at a heavy discount. Westbound BA 744s leaving LHR at 9:30 arrive JFK around noonish.

I think the London City flight numbers are the Concorde flight numbers.
 
well maybe my info is outdated, but I specifically recall colleagues telling me in the past about the SNN pre-clearance thing essentially making up for lost time.
 
4x to Newark will be great. Fuck United and their predatory pricing.
 
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