AndrewOnTheMBTA
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Last week, the northern half of this site received a fresh paving.
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I was actually a bit sad when I visited because I know my late son would have loved watching the cars and trucks go under the building. I'm also a racing fan who likes just watching cars go, so I found it kind of zen.I really like how this whole project is turning out, but I am completely baffled by people getting excited for the views of the highway. The Pike is.... ugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that, but....just baffled.
It reminds me of growing up in Illinois, stopping to get fast food in a rest stop built over the tollway. Maybe the Midwest was just ahead of the curve on this one.
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It is a very subjective and individual thing. I actually like highways, depending of course on the context.I really like how this whole project is turning out, but I am completely baffled by people getting excited for the views of the highway. The Pike is.... ugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that, but....just baffled.
Oh yeah, totally subjective, so I don't want to dwell on my negativity if other people are enjoying it. From some of the pictures and comments posted here, I was starting to guess I was the odd one out on my opinion about highway views. That's fine. Just surprising.It is a very subjective and individual thing. I actually like highways, depending of course on the context.
The Mass Pike through Boston isn't extremely impactive visually, in my opinion. Much of it is becoming increasingly decked over, and the highway generally was threaded fairly carefully through the urban fabric in the 1960s. helped by the pre-existence in the corridor of 4-track major railroad line which the city built itself around in the 1800s..Oh yeah, totally subjective, so I don't want to dwell on my negativity if other people are enjoying it. From some of the pictures and comments posted here, I was starting to guess I was the odd one out on my opinion about highway views. That's fine. Just surprising.
The Pike is relatively benign until you get Chinatown. The wide canyon of the Pike plus the cut of I-93 did major damage to that part of the city (aided by BRA Urban Renewal on both sides of the Pike). And throughout the city the air quality near the Pike is horrible (deadly levels of PM 2.5).The Mass Pike through Boston isn't extremely impactive visually, in my opinion. Much of it is becoming increasingly decked over, and the highway generally was threaded fairly carefully through the urban fabric in the 1960s. helped by the pre-existence in the corridor of 4-track major railroad line which the city built itself around in the 1800s..
But I am biased, as I've always liked highways and highway construction, riding for miles on my bike when i was a kid to track the construction of I-93 through Medford and Stoneham, and my dad taking me to other highway construction projects around the Boston metro area at the time. I became a civil engineer largely because of those experiences. I feel the same way about, and had similar experiences with, transit construction projects. We all know there are horrendous expressways and freeways that separated and destroyed parts of cities, especially minority and low income neighborhoods which were purposely targeted, and I'm happy the Inner Belt, SW and NW Expressways were never built, but aside from that, there are some interesting highways out there.
Totally agree. As much as I think some of them look kinda cool, I personally wish the expressways and turnpikes of the 1950s through the present had never been built at all, and instead we had kept intact and further developed the passenger and freight rail network we had in the 1930s. Our cities and nation would have been a lot better off in many ways.The Pike is relatively benign until you get Chinatown. The wide canyon of the Pike plus the cut of I-93 did major damage to that part of the city (aided by BRA Urban Renewal on both sides of the Pike). And throughout the city the air quality near the Pike is horrible (deadly levels of PM 2.5).
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Unfortunately, I think the decline of US rail was mostly driven by the power of big business and the associated politics. In the 1950's, companies like Chevrolet, Ford, Oldsmobile, Plymouth, Goodyear, Standard Oil, Amoco certainly had no interest in further development of the rail network.Totally agree. As much as I think some of them look kinda cool, I personally wish the expressways and turnpikes of the 1950s through the present had never been built at all, and instead we had kept intact and further developed the passenger and freight rail network we had in the 1930s. Our cities and nation would have been a lot better off in many ways.
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Agree. Also, the dye was cast for urban expressways when Robert Moses in the 1930s and 40s planned out a network of limited-access multi-lane "parkways" for NYC as well as several all-purpose expressways, launched by the "Futurama" exhibit at the 1939 World's Fair in NYC, an exhibit sponsored by GM. Then Los Angeles followed suit in the early 1950s, building the first extensive network of urban freeways. Those developments set the urban expressway template for US cities.Unfortunately, I think the decline of US rail was mostly driven by the power of big business and the associated politics. In the 1950's, companies like Chevrolet, Ford, Oldsmobile, Plymouth, Goodyear, Standard Oil, Amoco certainly had no interest in further development of the rail network.
Off-topic, but Illinois is one of the few places in the US where these exist. I believe they're very common in Europe. I'm not sure how the cost pencils out with duplicative rest stops on each side vs. one more expensive building, but they certainly look cooler both inside and out.I really like how this whole project is turning out, but I am completely baffled by people getting excited for the views of the highway. The Pike is.... ugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that, but....just baffled.
It reminds me of growing up in Illinois, stopping to get fast food in a rest stop built over the tollway. Maybe the Midwest was just ahead of the curve on this one.
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I really like how this whole project is turning out, but I am completely baffled by people getting excited for the views of the highway. The Pike is.... ugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that, but....just baffled.
It reminds me of growing up in Illinois, stopping to get fast food in a rest stop built over the tollway. Maybe the Midwest was just ahead of the curve on this one.
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You somehow caught not one, but two couples snuggling up to watch that sunset. That's about the best statement of success you could get for that public amenity.From this past weekend. Not a bad sunset from up here —
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