MA Casino Developments

Trying to keep SST discussion over there and casino discussion here...

Interested to hear what people think is behind the new search for competitive bids, and Menino's possible waning enthusiasm for Suffolk?


A few weeks ago Menino spoke out against Suffolk's plan to build its casino/resort in stages and said it had to be built all at once. Perhaps the Suffolk folks pushed back a bit and now Menino wants some competition so he can at least put the arm on the Suffolk people even if the competition is manufactured.
 
From Today's globe:

"Revere seeks Wonderland in casino deal; Plans a stadium for Revolution"

http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/0...cer-stadium/QC1veavQBICRESbEDOtwVN/story.html

REVERE — Mayor Dan Rizzo will try to acquire the Wonderland Greyhound Park property for the city in his casino negotiations with nearby Suffolk Downs, as the first piece of an ambitious plan to bring the New England Revolution professional soccer team to Revere.

“It’s a very important property to the future of the city of Revere,” said Rizzo, speaking of the shuttered dog racing track near Revere Beach. “It’s definitely something I’d like to see in play as we consider mitigation.”

Rizzo is negotiating mitigation payments with Suffolk Downs over plans to build a $1 billion gambling resort at the thoroughbred track, which straddles the city line between East Boston and Revere. As the mayor of one of the host cities, Rizzo has tremendous leverage under state law to demand compensation from Suffolk Downs for accepting casino gambling in the community.

The partnership that owns Suffolk Downs also controls Wonderland, a 34-acre parcel entirely in Revere and assessed at about $10.8 million, according to Suffolk Downs and city records.

Enter New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, who also owns the Revolution Major League Soccer team. Kraft has been looking for several years for an urban location to build a new soccer-specific stadium, with the intention of moving the Revolution from cavernous Gillette Stadium in suburban Foxborough. Kraft explored building in Somerville as recently as 2010.

The team has been talking with Rizzo about building at Wonderland if the city gets control of the land. “We are in discussions with the City of Revere, which offers the proximity to urban centers and access to transit that we are seeking for a future Revolution stadium, but talks are preliminary at this stage,” said New England Revolution president Brian Bilello, in a statement to the Globe.

Revolution games in 2012 have drawn an average of 13,281 fans, who tend to get swallowed up in an NFL football stadium that seats nearly 70,000. Team officials believe they could draw 20,000 a game in an urban area. Revere fits the bill as a densely populated community close to Boston, with the added attraction of a large number of immigrants from soccer-crazed Latin America and Brazil.

The city “has to be right in the wheelhouse in terms of soccer fans,” said Rizzo. “I’d love to see a full-blown professional soccer team here.”

The negotiations between Revere and Suffolk Downs could be another test of the clout of local officials under the state’s 2011 casino law.

Municipal officials have become extraordinarily powerful figures in the early months of the development of the Massachusetts casino industry. In Holyoke, for instance, Mayor Alex Morse was elected on an anticasino platform and promptly persuaded Hard Rock International to give up plans for a gambling resort in the city. In Foxborough, the part-time Board of Selectmen stonewalled a casino proposal from Las Vegas billionaire Steve Wynn. When the May town election strengthened the anticasino tilt of the board, Wynn gave up.

In Springfield, Mayor Domenic Sarno took the opposite path, by inviting gambling companies to his city. Sarno will have as many as four proposals from which to choose, as wealthy casino operators eagerly tailor their projects to fit the city’s every whim, in their rush to win Sarno’s favor.

Suffolk Downs, the only applicant to date for the sole casino resort license in Greater Boston, cannot complete its application to the state gambling commission until it reaches a negotiated deal with Rizzo on compensation. It must reach a separate agreement with Mayor Thomas M. Menino of Boston.

State Senator Stanley Rosenberg, an Amherst Democrat and one of the architects of the casino law, said lawmakers gave cities and towns leverage over developers to ensure that the communities are made whole for any negative effects from casino developments or for any added drain on services.

The compensation can come in just about any form: cash payments, new equipment, services, or local preferences in hiring. “We wanted to provide that flexibility,” Rosenberg said.

Wonderland, a former dog racing and simulcast track, fell on hard times and closed in 2010, hurt by a state ban on live dog racing.

Suffolk Downs secured an option to buy Wonderland in 2008 and took title of the property last spring.

The owners are open to different options for redeveloping the parcel, said Chip Tuttle, chief operating officer for Suffolk Downs.

“We want to develop Wonderland in a manner that complements the ongoing revitalization of the Revere Beach area,” Tuttle said. “We don’t have specific plans for Wonderland yet.” He said the negotiations with Revere are in their early stages and that the city has not yet asked for the property.

“That concept hasn’t been broached,” he said.
 
*dancing from the rooftops*

The Blue Line is the PERFECT line to put the stadium on.
 
Despite the fact that Foxboro is closer to my house than Revere, I will actually get off my rear end more often to go to Revere to see Major (Well, really minor) League Soccer.
 
Hey, it's Major! It's one of the largest leagues in the world. It's just tragic Americans can't take it seriously.
 
I hope the stadium plan goes through regardless to what happens at Suffolk Downs. That's an excellent location for it. Not as central as the Inner Belt, but there's no waiting on a train line that may or may not get built anytime soon.

I'll be bummed that we won't be able to call them the Somer Villa Villans though...
 
We won't see the MLS become a top league in the world, as in top 15, within the next 20 plus years. The league is what it is and the money is not there to attract top talent from South America, Africa and Europe. European leagues are more popular in the States than the MLS it seems.

In any event, the Revs need a new stadium badly. No team in the league justifies a 60,000 plus seat stadium. The Revs should get a nice 20-22,500 seat stadium and that will go a very long way to improve the atmosphere and fan experience. Regardless of its location. Moving it closer to Boston and putting it on mass transit is a very smart move and one that should surely lead to higher attendance.
 
I'd rather see it in Somerville, but Revere works.
 
Well, if it isn't going to be in Somerville or Everett... I guess this is the place to put it.

(Soccer, not casino)
 
No team in the league justifies a 60,000 plus seat stadium. .

Seattle does pretty well in theirs.

They're averaging 42,086 this season.



Id love a stadium/casino in revere.

On one condition.

Those filthy rich billionaires pay to extend the blue line to lynn and kenmore.
 
Why does everyone want the BL extended to Kenmore and down the D Line? Hell, I'd rather see GLX be BLX than have some express route to Kenmore as BLX. Cambridge and Somerville could use it more than Kenmore and the D Line, IMO.
 
Why does everyone want the BL extended to Kenmore and down the D Line? Hell, I'd rather see GLX be BLX than have some express route to Kenmore as BLX. Cambridge and Somerville could use it more than Kenmore and the D Line, IMO.

I dont think it should go down the D line.

From lynn into town....
Government-Charles-Public Garden-Exeter-Mass Ave-Kenmore- BU Bridge-Cambridge St/North Harvard (transfer to Harvard Subway) - New Balance - Arsenal Mall - East Watertown - Waverly (transfer to red line)
 
Speaking of trains, this thread has gone off its rails argh argh argh...

Thanks kids...I'll be here all week
 
Completely on topic. The rules should me, if you want to build a Casino, you can, as long as you build us the worlds longest blue line.
 
Completely on topic. The rules should me, if you want to build a Casino, you can, as long as you build us the worlds longest blue line.

Jass,

Have you ever been to that area in Revere? To build a sufficient traffic grid and revamp the infrastructure for the MLS soccer stadium/& Billion dollar race-track Casino would cost 500++Million dollars.

The area is already plaqued with major traffic issues around 3PM - 6PM Its a bottleneck cluster-fuck in that area.

I'm not sure what Revere should do at this point. Revere should focus on making Revere Beach area more promising and build off that. Driving through Revere last week looks very RUN-DOWN.

MLS soccer stadium does sound like a better plan than the Casino but BOTH?

No-way
 
Jass,

The area is already plaqued with major traffic issues around 3PM - 6PM Its a bottleneck cluster-fuck in that area.

This is called rush hour. What also is jammed is 93 North, 93 South, 95 North, 128, Storrow Drive, the airport tunnels, the tobin bridge, route 3 past hingham, and the new hampshire tolls. Also crowded, red line, blue line, green line, orange line, commuter rail, many bus routes.

So let's not build anything because people may actually want to get there. In short, much of our infrastructure is overburdened and needs to be upgraded. That, of course, requires gov't spending.
 
Getting to this site on 1A from Boston does suck because of the circle/intersection at Rte. 60 (it has a name but I don't know it. Still, it strikes me as a really terrific site for a MLS stadium. It would be 1/3 the size of Gillette, 1/2 the size of BC Alumni Stadium, 2/3 the size of Harvard Stadium, and not quite half the size of Fenway park. That is to say, it is not so big and could be accommodated in an urban area, especially with the good transit access. Some have also argued for a commuter rail stop on the other side of the track. There is a huge new MBTA parking garage that would be essentially empty when the soccer games would occur. It seems that most of the pieces are there. Clean up the dog crap in the infield and paint the lines.
There is a longstanding desire for Transit Oriented Development on that site and Kraft has shown that combining non-sport uses like health care and shopping at Gillette is effective, even in the hinterlands. This could be a great draw for housing - stadium, beach, transit, retail. I think this is a great play by Revere. I hope they are successful.
 
If we could weasel the Red/Blue connector out of this and/or Blue line to Lynn they could fill the stadium every game without even trying.
 
Why does everyone want the BL extended to Kenmore and down the D Line? Hell, I'd rather see GLX be BLX than have some express route to Kenmore as BLX. Cambridge and Somerville could use it more than Kenmore and the D Line, IMO.

Because Kenmore needs a heavy rail to accomodate for passengers going to Fenway Park.

The Green Line certainly can't handle the load and with the Green Line extending further north without any upgrades in terms of trackage from Kenmore to Haymarket, it's certainly going to be more crowded.
 

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