MA Casino Developments

The article said it would take up 40 acres of the 175 acre fairgrounds.
 
From someone I follow on Twitter:

Text from brother in FLA: "Last night at the Hard Rock Casino I saw a girl with her c-section staples in. She drank and wore a crop top."

Can't wait!
 
JohnAKeith said:
From someone I follow on Twitter:

Text from brother in FLA: "Last night at the Hard Rock Casino I saw a girl with her c-section staples in. She drank and wore a crop top."

Can't wait!
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I'm sure you have been to Florida. In terms of the white trash quotient, Massachusetts will never ever come close to competing with Florida. Ever notice that at least 75% of the time something absurdly crazy happens in this country it happens in Florida and/or involves Florida residents? That's not to say that our casinos won't attract similar folks. Just in smaller numbers in my opinion.
 
Beton---Any update on the Casino push at Suffolk Downs by our beloved honest & harworking lawmakers?
 
There were some Union members in Maverick Sq. yesterday carrying Suffolk Downs "It's about the JOBS" signs. I believe they were in Beachmont as well. It's safe to assume that none of these folks reside in any of the potentially impacted communities. Further, it's a bit intellectually dishonest to suggest that if we succeed turning back the Suffolk Downs / Caesars proposal, that everyone in a hard hat is gonna be out of work -- throw a rock in the air and you'll hit a construction crane.

In parallel, the Mayor has been sending some flunkies from the City's Office of General Counsel out to neighborhood meetings to "explain" (i.e. dodge substantive questions) to everyone that they're working really hard to do their due diligence. A few of us made them look like fools at a recent Jeffries Point Neighborhood Association meeting.

Consider: Since June of 2012, the Mayor's hand-picked "Host Community Advisory Committee" is engaged in collecting questions from voters about the Suffolk Downs / Caesars Proposal. I've attended three of these meetings. People ask questions that are noted by the Committee members. No answers are offered by the empaneled Committee.

We have been told that the hundreds of questions that have been submitted in writing or at public meetings are being collated and reviewed by "subject matter experts" that have been hired (as consultants[?]) to the City. To date, the list of questions has not been publicized (in print, or via the web), and no date has be identified when any structured response will be provided.

We've been told that this will be a transparent process. The behavior of the Mayor and his minions would suggest otherwise.

A meeting similar to the one I attended in Jeffries Point is slated for the Eagle Hill Civic Association on Wednesday, 01/30/2013 at 7PM. I'll be there with my "shoutin' voice."
 
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I'm not sure who in their right mind would want a casino in their neighborhood especially if your trying to raise a family.

How are the people responding to the neighborhood meetings? Positive or negative?

Beton you are facing the most powerful people in the city on this one. I hope the community finally responds & reacts to this stupidity.

Couple of things to consider the longer the politicans take to approve Suffolk. The harder this will get especially when NH Rockingham Casino gets built. That will push Caesars to reconsider building out, all at once. The entire project will start to become a risk for Caesars in the amount of money they need to front.

The politicans will kill this deal as Mass continues to raise taxes on the working class. The casinos will be like Dunkin Donuts at some point, they will all eat through each others profits........... TIME is your friend.
 
Skepticism is mounting, as is the frustration of voters who feel they are being misled or brushed off. Some of this is through the efforts of the organized opposition, and some simply created by the politically tone-deaf behavior of our elected officials.

Regarding Caesars, they're in the red $22 billion. I believe it all comes due in 2015. Their credibility as a developer is determined by their ability to restructure their debt-load. Steve Wynn is a self-aggrandizing jerkoff, but he's in a much better financial position to go forward in Everett than Caesars at Suffolk Downs.
 
I just keep hoping everyone realizes what a bad idea building a casino anywhere is and the state will go back on allowing them. It'll never happen, I know.
 
gooseberry said:
I just keep hoping everyone realizes what a bad idea building a casino anywhere is and the state will go back on allowing them. It'll never happen, I know.
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Just think of the amount of money and the additional "jobs" that have been spent and created just to figure out where these casinos will be built.

I personally don't have a problem with 2 being built since there are already a large number of people heading down to Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun anyways. Build one out west near Springfield and on in Southern Mass and call it a day. I personally don't want one built inside of the 123/95/93 belt.
 
I think if they have to build one, they should build it inside 128, as in here, in the middle of the highway, or as part of the expansion of the convention center.
 
If they build it, I hope they put it somewhere in dire need of jobs/access to jobs, and couple it with transit improvements to actually make it a net gain for the area.

If the casino ends up near a commuter rail station in Springfield, New Bedford or Fall River, it would be a net gain for the community and the state as a whole. Especially if we take South Coast Rail to already be a given and want to mitigate the disaster somewhat.

What I fear most though is that casinos will end up in a community that does not want them (read East Boston), an urban community without adding transit improvements, thus crippling the community economically and traffic-wise even more (read Everett) or my biggest fear of all: a huge sprawling resort in a rural area coupled with a large access road/highway (Foxwoods of Mass). Sadly I would bet my fear(s) come true.
 
bigeman312 said:
What I fear most though is that casinos will end up in a community that does not want them (read East Boston), an urban community without adding transit improvements, thus crippling the community economically and traffic-wise even more (read Everett) or my biggest fear of all: a huge sprawling resort in a rural area coupled with a large access road/highway (Foxwoods of Mass). Sadly I would bet my fear(s) come true.
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I think this is becoming my biggest fear for E.Boston/Revere is the transit infrastructure. I think it will cripple the area with a billion dollar casino which will force the taxpayers into a billion dollar upgradeable transit GRID for the casino. It will be like BIG DIG all over again. It when it comes to light the upgrade still won't affect anything. Transportation in this area will be a Nuclear Bomb for 93, 95 N/S Route 1........This will affect everybody around Boston. The Airport congestion will be a nightmare coming in & out of.

This is really a sham to re-develop a casino in this area.

I'm with you New Bedford/Fall River, Springfield, somewhere were the highway interconnects to an area that isn't developed yet.

ONE OF THE WORST IDEAS IN BOSTON HISTORY
 
my biggest fear of all: a huge sprawling resort in a rural area coupled with a large access road/highway (Foxwoods of Mass)
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This is the best possible scenario. You put a tourniquet on all the cash bleeding into Connecticut. You create more new jobs (since you'll need more new hotel rooms, restaurants, etc.). And you make it more difficult for someone to take their pension (or welfare) check, hop on the Blue Line, and be at a casino in 10 minutes.
Sure, environmentally a sprawling resort is not great. But the environmental externalities of a rural casino pale in comparison to the social externalities associated with an urban casino.
 
AmericanFolkLegend said:
This is the best possible scenario. You put a tourniquet on all the cash bleeding into Connecticut. You create more new jobs (since you'll need more new hotel rooms, restaurants, etc.). And you make it more difficult for someone to take their pension (or welfare) check, hop on the Blue Line, and be at a casino in 10 minutes.
Sure, environmentally a sprawling resort is not great. But the environmental externalities of a rural casino pale in comparison to the social externalities associated with an urban casino.
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I disagree. Why build a casino if you don't want anybody to use it? No need to protect people from themselves. By putting a casino in Springfield, New Bedford, Fall River, or another economically depressed, urban area, the hope is to provide jobs for people who need them. It is always somebody's choice to gamble. If public education on the risks of gambling is necessary, so be it. By putting a casino in an inaccessible rural area, we have huge environmental externalities and we diminish how accessible it is to the general public, causing fewer people to use it (economic and thus social externalities through a decreased tax base for the state) and fewer people who need the jobs to be able to work there (economic and thus social externalities by not providing taxable and sustainable income for those who need it most). Not to mention the cost of providing infrastructure to an area that would otherwise not need it, instead of to an area that is in desperate need of infrastructure already.

By providing goods, services and jobs and making them inaccessible to the urban poor we are not protecting them from their own freedom of choice as much as hurting their chances of upward mobility.
 
AmericanFolkLegend said:
This is the best possible scenario. You put a tourniquet on all the cash bleeding into Connecticut. You create more new jobs (since you'll need more new hotel rooms, restaurants, etc.). And you make it more difficult for someone to take their pension (or welfare) check, hop on the Blue Line, and be at a casino in 10 minutes.
Sure, environmentally a sprawling resort is not great. But the environmental externalities of a rural casino pale in comparison to the social externalities associated with an urban casino.
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First off.....People on Welfare or EBT Cards should not gamble and their should be a law making EBT Cards & welfare checks void from being used in the casino or anytype of gambling business by the state. Since the taxpayers have to fund these individuals lives. Gambling is not going to get them ahead.

Suffolk Downs area is already a traffic nightmare. Its already a pain to get to the airport now that a billion dollar 24 hour casino reins in on the area this traffic will be bumper to bumper 18 hours a day. It doesn't matter if the Blue Line is located in the area. The MBTA is just a bonus so the poor & middle class will always have a way to get to the casino.
People will drive no matter what and the infrastructure is just outdated for this area.

Small Business will be raped in that area as most of the small restaurants will go out of business if they don't get sometype of deal from within the casino to open up inside of it.


The area is already catering to lower class community and will probably destroy alot of families in the long-term.

Jobs, Jobs? What is this an episode of Boardwalk Empire? Eastie Casino developments also in Revere.

Foxwoods/Mohegan were perfect destination spots. I hardly ever hit traffic in those areas and the commute was always enjoyable and I was always in excitement when I was traveling to the casino. The reality is the Politicans had to find a way to screw the Indians over once again.
 
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aaaaaa said:
First off, is there any data supporting that a statistically significant portion of SNAP, or EBT beneficiaries use their benefits to gamble here, or elsewhere? Here is evidence that they do not abuse direct cash transfers:

Rubalcava, Luis, Graciela Tereul, and Duncan Thomas, “Spending, Saving, and Public Transfers Paid to Women,” On-Line Working Paper Series CCPR-024-04, California Center for Population Research 200
Attanasio, Orazio and Alice Mesnard, “The Impact of a Conditional Cash Transfer Programme on Consumption in Colombia,” Fiscal Studies, December 2006, 27 (4), 421–442.
Maluccio, John A. and Rafael Flores, “Impact evaluation of a conditional cash transfer program: the Nicaraguan Red de Proteccin Social,” Technical Report 2005.
Concern Worldwide, “Cash Transfers as a Response to Disaster,” Technical Report 2007.
Brewin, Mike, “Evaluation of Concern Kenya’s Kerio Valley Cash Transfer Pilot,” Technical Report, Concern Kenya 2008.
Slater, Rachel and Matseliso Mphale, “Cash Transfer, Gender, and Generational Relations: Evidence from a Pilot Project in Lesotho,” Technical Report, Overseas Development Institute May 2008.
Cunha, Jesse, “Testing Paternalism: Cash v.s. In-Kind Transfers in Rural Mexico,” Technical Report, Stanford University March 2010.
The Kenya CT-OVC Evaluation Team. "The impact of the Kenya Cash Transfer Program for Orphans and Vulnerable Children on household spending." Journal of Development Effectiveness 4 (1), 2012.

Second, direct cash transfers (no strings attached) are one of the most effective ways of fighting poverty. Link (pdf).

I can do without your baseless condescension and misguided policy ideas.
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First off stick your misguided facts up your @ss. Everett, Malden, Chelsea, Revere, Lynn, Winthrop, East Boston are the breeding ground for subsidized housing, welfare recipients and EBT card holders. Somebody should do a survey but most of the people that spend their money on Scratch tickets are majority POOR. (False Hope) A casino is false hope and will destroy children’s future dreams as they get stuck with the mentality of gambling and making scores.

So sticking a casino in these areas is like putting a major drug dealer around a bunch of recovering addicts.

The casino main revenue driver will be 30% of the community because thats what will consume their life around the area.

Social Security Checks
EBT Cards
Welfare Checks

I wonder how much in Revenue a percent will be generated from those 3 drivers? All paid by the taxpayers.
 
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So your answer then is, no, you do not have any such data.
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Its common sense go to a Tedeschi's and see who is sitting in the gambling area and who is playing Keno, Scratch Tickets, state lottery and just staring at the TV screen addicted to the action. Those are the everyday inner city degenerate casino gamblers.

Thats my data. Its called real life living.
 
^ Your anecdote is not evidence. Not saying you're wrong, but your personal "real living" sure as hell ain't data.
 
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