MA Casino Developments

So you guys would rather the casino building be faced with red brick instead of alucobond? Take those discussions elsewhere, regardless of who we agree with.
 
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So you guys would rather the casino building be faced with red brick instead of alucobond? Take those discussions elsewhere, regardless of who we agree with.

Speaking of which, I will just go ahead and change the subject to what would be my ideal casino (opening myself up to intense criticism, whatever).

A huge resort on the reclaimed Springfield waterfront, after rerouting I-91 West of the CT River or tunneling, adjacent/attached to the Basketball Hall of Fame. This resort architecturally would draw inspiration from, and pay homage to, the old Boston Garden facade. Included in the complex would be a luxury hotel, the Basketball Hall of Fame, a basketball court/hockey arena/boxing/MMA venue that would be the new home to the Falcons and Armor, and a casino.
 
Cool idea Bigeman.
Although they'd have no say, I'm sure the NBA would be less than thrilled with a casino next to the Hall of Fame. The NBA's fear of gambling has kept a franchise out of Las Vegas for years.
 
...I'm sure the NBA would be less than thrilled with a casino next to the Hall of Fame. The NBA's fear of gambling has kept a franchise out of Las Vegas for years.

I'm sure they'd have an a awesome exhibit on point-shaving. Maybe they could hire Tim Donaghy to welcome guests.
 
First off, is there any data supporting that a statistically significant portion of SNAP, or EBT beneficiaries use their benefits to gamble here, or elsewhere? Here is evidence that they do not abuse direct cash transfers:

Rubalcava, Luis, Graciela Tereul, and Duncan Thomas, “Spending, Saving, and Public Transfers Paid to Women,” On-Line Working Paper Series CCPR-024-04, California Center for Population Research 200
Attanasio, Orazio and Alice Mesnard, “The Impact of a Conditional Cash Transfer Programme on Consumption in Colombia,” Fiscal Studies, December 2006, 27 (4), 421–442.
Maluccio, John A. and Rafael Flores, “Impact evaluation of a conditional cash transfer program: the Nicaraguan Red de Proteccin Social,” Technical Report 2005.
Concern Worldwide, “Cash Transfers as a Response to Disaster,” Technical Report 2007.
Brewin, Mike, “Evaluation of Concern Kenya’s Kerio Valley Cash Transfer Pilot,” Technical Report, Concern Kenya 2008.
Slater, Rachel and Matseliso Mphale, “Cash Transfer, Gender, and Generational Relations: Evidence from a Pilot Project in Lesotho,” Technical Report, Overseas Development Institute May 2008.
Cunha, Jesse, “Testing Paternalism: Cash v.s. In-Kind Transfers in Rural Mexico,” Technical Report, Stanford University March 2010.
The Kenya CT-OVC Evaluation Team. "The impact of the Kenya Cash Transfer Program for Orphans and Vulnerable Children on household spending." Journal of Development Effectiveness 4 (1), 2012.


Second, direct cash transfers (no strings attached) are one of the most effective ways of fighting poverty. Link (pdf).

I can do without your baseless condescension and misguided policy ideas.

Nice try but this is Boston, not Kenya.

1 You donate through our webpage(or pay out your ass on taxes)
2 We locate poor households in Kenya(or Revere, Everett, Chelsea, or Roxbury)
3 We transfer your donation(confiscated earnings) electronically to a recipient's cell phone(or some degenerate's debit card)
4 The recipient uses the transfer to pursue his or her own goals(getting high, getting drunk, getting laid, gambling away every cent, etc.)
 
I enjoy when KMP refutes a statistically relevant study with his own hyperbole and bias. Happens about once a month or so...
 
So you guys would rather the casino building be faced with red brick instead of alucobond? Take those discussions elsewhere, regardless of who we agree with.

Not sure if this question belongs in this thread but I am not an architect and have a question about alucobond. I saw it being used on the refurbished Blackstone Apartments near MGH. Is alucobond always silver in color (alu stands for aluminum?) Can a simple design be etched into the product? Or is it always just a flat silver panel? I am not a builder but enjoy learning about architecture/construction. I also have some photos that I would like to share but I am not sure how to move from Photo Impression 6 to ArchBoston.
 
I enjoy when KMP refutes a statistically relevant study with his own hyperbole and bias. Happens about once a month or so...

How are the needs and motivations of the poor in Kenya relevant or comparable to the rampant abuses of the American welfare state?
 
How are the needs and motivations of the poor in Kenya relevant or comparable to the rampant abuses of the American welfare state?

You could have stopped with "Nice try but this is Boston, not Kenya." That's a very valid point.

Instead you threw in "confiscated earnings", "degenerate" "getting drunk ... high ... laid", etc. That's the hyperbole and bias I was referencing.
 
For a lot of the mooches those are their motivations. A lot of working people aspire to get high, drunk, laid, etc. as well but the difference is, they're achieving those goals on their own nickel.
 
Not sure if this question belongs in this thread but I am not an architect and have a question about alucobond. I saw it being used on the refurbished Blackstone Apartments near MGH. Is alucobond always silver in color (alu stands for aluminum?) Can a simple design be etched into the product? Or is it always just a flat silver panel? I am not a builder but enjoy learning about architecture/construction. I also have some photos that I would like to share but I am not sure how to move from Photo Impression 6 to ArchBoston.

To answer your question, albeit offtopic, alucobond can come in any color. The MassArt Tower facade is alucobond.

Second, to upload pix, upload the image file to imageshack.us or tinyurl.com and then paste the direct URL in between a set of [img][/img] tags in your post.
 
There is a reason I've stopped contributing to this discussion despite being very interested in the topic.

Count me as being interested in your thoughts on the issue, even if we don't agree...
 
Although I imagine myself the Henry Fonda character, I'm more the sickly old Jew who cowers.
 
We're putting on a production of 12 Angry Men. But, there's only 6 of us, so we have to act twice as angry. - Woody Boyd (paraphrased)

Anyways..... since this discussion has devolved into an anecdotal discussion of the evils of gambling and the hyperbole that goes along with it. I am now only quickly scanning this one looking for any actual news or renderings.
 
So lets talk transit connections...

I'm intrigued as to Suffolk Downs... are they going to make people trek over to the casino from Suffolk Downs Station? I'd hope at the very least there will be an improved walk to get there. Or perhaps a very short shuttle loop, which would be better for all seasons.

For Everett, I can definitely picture shuttles to/from Sullivan Square in addition to buses already run down Broadway out front. Does anyone else suspect that a part-time commuter rail stop behind the Gateway Mall to happen? If it is places just southwest of Chemical Lane, it would potentially provide access to that mall. So I can imagine extra money getting funneled in. The Everett property also has the unique opportunity of possibly being able to take a water taxi to Long Wharf or Rowes Wharf, although I'm not sure that's even been considered.
 
So lets talk transit connections...

I'm intrigued as to Suffolk Downs... are they going to make people trek over to the casino from Suffolk Downs Station? I'd hope at the very least there will be an improved walk to get there. Or perhaps a very short shuttle loop, which would be better for all seasons.

For Everett, I can definitely picture shuttles to/from Sullivan Square in addition to buses already run down Broadway out front. Does anyone else suspect that a part-time commuter rail stop behind the Gateway Mall to happen? If it is places just southwest of Chemical Lane, it would potentially provide access to that mall. So I can imagine extra money getting funneled in. The Everett property also has the unique opportunity of possibly being able to take a water taxi to Long Wharf or Rowes Wharf, although I'm not sure that's even been considered.


Forget Everett........The only reason Wynn suggested this is to get a piece of Suffolk Downs. Like Beton said Wynn is in better financial shape than Caesars and the longer this battle lasts Wynn might be able to push them out entirely and partner up with the players who own Suffolk Downs.

That area in Everett would need extensive environmental cleanup which could cause serious delays of anything being built for a decade. (Even if Suffolk didn't get approved this area would never see a casino, to many negative factors play into the Everett casino, Traffic, chemical cleanup, the area is also on Boston land also next to Somerville which has evolved nicely over the last decade)


Now I'm not sure what they do for actually upgradable Transit if Suffolk Downs is Built. The entire highway system in the area is outdated.

MBTA they just need to make the Blue Line more efficient. That is the only bonus for the Casino in the area.

Overall the entire Highway & road infrastructure is a nightmare and I just don't think they have space to rebuild & add on to this infrastructure to make an easy commute for this area especially throwing in a billion dollar casino in the mix.

Maybe F-Line from Dudley could enlighten us on this topic since he is the most informative blogger on transit.
 
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Suffolk already runs a shuttle bus between Suffolk Downs station and the main entrance of the track on race days. (They may also do it during simulcasting days, I'm not sure). The walk to and from the station to the track isn't horrible. I've done it a few times. Assuming the new construction will shift the building over to the west side of the property, the walk should be even shorter.
 
I wonder if a potential mitigation to a casino across the harbor could be fund-matching to get the red-blue connector built, as well as 24 hour (or at least whatever the casinos operating hours will be) service subsidized a bit. Other then perhaps some traffic improvements I think that could be the greatest bonus to the community at large, as well as the greatest way to offset potential negative social effects of the casino going there in the first place. Opening up eastie, revere, and a bit of Everett via a 24 hour blue line would certainly raise property values and development potential.
 
At least a 24 hour shuttle that goes from Haymarket or North Station to the Airport to the Casino. Getting to the airport for an early flight or real late arrival is impossible on public transportation. This could go a long way- even if its just a way to chop $15 off the cab fare over to the airport.

Also, I would hope the T entrance at Suffolk wouldnt be neglected if the project goes forward. It would need to be better incorporated with the facility itself.
 

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