MA Casino Developments

The PNF was just filed with the BRA for the Caesars Resort at Suffolk Downs.

A mere 2640 pages of easy reading! What better to do on a long weekend than to enjoy a lengthy novel likely filled with... Well, maybe I shouldn't say anything bad about such a big pile of paper filled with such warm and fuzzy thoughts.

"The proposed project includes:

Two hotels: an approximately 300-room hotel (Hotel I) and an approximately 150-room hotel (Hotel II);
Multi-purpose meeting/entertainment space;
Dining: approximately 15 restaurants, including six fine dining concepts, casual outlets, a Streets of Boston restaurant pavilion, and sports bars;
Gaming Space: approximately 220,000 square feet of gaming space containing
4,000-5,000 slot machines, 200 table games, and a World Series of Poker™ room;
Retail: approximately 30,000 square feet;
Central Utility Plant (CUP);
Parking: an approximately 2,550-space, six-story parking garage, approximately
2,090 surface parking spaces, and approximately 460 below-grade spaces for valet parking (total parking 5,100); and
Maintenance building."


http://www.bostonredevelopmentautho...uffolk-downs-project-notification-form-filed/
 
Beton Brut said:
Also consider, when greyhound racing was banned in Massachusetts, the people got to vote on it in a binding referendum. It offends my sensibilities and disenfranchises all of us as voters and taxpayers to have had expanded gaming in Massachusetts enacted without a similar binding referendum.
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Yes, a referendum that failed to mention a lot of things. Such as, what happened to the existing dogs? From what I could tell, they were either going to race somewhere else (in most likely poorer conditions), or put to death. Pretty sure the dogs didn't get a vote in that. Also, we put a ton of people out of work just as the recession was hitting. Is an uninformed majority necessarily a good thing in every situation?
 
That PDF totally crashed my tablet. Guess I'll wait for a good Samaritan to isolate and post the pics (thanks in advance!)
 
Sorry, I thought the 2640 pages would have given it away. It comes in at a mere 126mb!

I haven't found any renderings in it yet, but they may be there. There are a few perspective line drawing site plans that are cut off at the property lines.

I was able to get this site plan (page 60 in the Host Community Agreement):
11/9 - removed image, since Caesars and the Boston side plan is out. The image can be found in the link below.

The City of Boston Community Host Agreement (both full version [2.7 mb] and summary, 256kb)is under the announcements column on the right site of this page: https://www.cityofboston.gov/gaming/

I also found the “Spotlight on the Suffolk Downs Transportation Proposal as reviewed by the Boston Transportation Department April 2013” (396 pages), readable for free online as a guest, but $8.95 to download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/135577904/Spotlight-on-Transportation
 
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Personally, I think that if you are going to go " Full Monte Casino" and limit the number drastically then the Casino should be potentially recognized Internationally as befits one of he worlds great cities

Sorry the complex as proposed at Sufflok Downs doesn't cross that threshold where as Wynn's eponymous Tower on the Mystic in Evert does have the potential to be iconic and boost the "pizaz" of the area along the Mystic -- today dominated by a huge power plant and some shipping

Suffolk would have been an ideal place for the 2nd-order "Slots Parlor" for the locals which would have kept the track viable by extending the current simulcasting of external racing to the "slots players"

Eventually, the gambling will be expanded state-wide with many smaller casinos -- but for now if "we" [Boston Metro city State] are going to do the "dirty" -- then let's do it right
 
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I think Suffok Downs takes Wynn on for a partner. After using the Everett Mayor property as a bargaining chip Wynn Wynns no matter what now. (he has options) They either build in Everett or he will try to partner up in Eastie/Revere.

It’s a WYNN WYNN situation for WYNN.

Everett is a complicated to get this casino done. The land was left vey contaminated by Monsanto. This clean-up will take longer than anybody will anticipate especially the casino being high profile development in the state.


Benton's well orchestrated group is the only reason that Suffolk has not gotten approval yet. Usually the BRA would just slam this type of favorable development without doing any real research. AKA (Columbus ave project)
 
TheRifleman said:
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I think Suffok Downs takes Wynn on for a partner. After using the Everett Mayor property as a bargaining chip Wynn Wynns no matter what now. (he has options) They either build in Everett or he will try to partner up in Eastie/Revere.

It’s a WYNN WYNN situation for WYNN.

Everett is a complicated to get this casino done. The land was left vey contaminated by Monsanto. This clean-up will take longer than anybody will anticipate especially the casino being high profile development in the state.


Benton's well orchestrated group is the only reason that Suffolk has not gotten approval yet. Usually the BRA would just slam this type of favorable development without doing any real research. AKA (Columbus ave project)
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I HIGHLY doubt Wynn leaves his site for Suffolk Downs this far down the line. My guess is they go hard after Hard Rock, maybe Penn bails on Plainridge. I have heard that RSG has a verbal agreement with a developer in Region C but that could blow up now.

I think some applicants will be afraid of spending millions to go up against Wynn at this point when any proposal Suffolk Downs puts together will be rushed last-minute.

When all is said and done, this is what I think we end up with:

Slot License: Leominster
Region A: Wynn in Everett
Region B: MGM in Springfield
Region C: who knows?

The only thing I think that could change the above is if the MGC feels the need to "save" the Plainridge dog track by awarding them the slots. Geographically, it makes sense to put the slot parlor in Leominster though.

Just my personal opinion, what do I know though?
 
Both Suffolk Downs and Mohegan Sun have lost their referendums. Looks like my predication just became a reality. Well, maybe...at least it looks that way
 
aaaaaa said:
So with East Boston rejecting the casino, Revere approving it, and talks of rearranging the proposal so it is exclusively in Revere, what is the time frame for a decision from the gaming board? Is there a deadline? Do Wynn and Everett just have to wait?

Thanks in advance for the answer.
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In order to comply with the MGC deadlines, they would have to have an operator selected and approved for suitability, as well as a full referendum in Revere ONLY (i think), bye the end of the year. I am not 100% on the second referendum being necessary.

All in all, Wynn is a lock at this point I have to imagine. There are just too many moving parts that would need to be completed before December 30.

End of the year is the deadline for completed applications and proposals, with the license being awarded in April. They might give an extension for community agreements into January.
 
Gotta love these political scumbags now trying to rearranged the proposal now for just Revere.

Best quote of the day by this E.Boston voter:
East Boston voter Krysten Hunt, 24, summed up the anti-casino position, saying she did not want more potential traffic, pollution, crime or gambling addiction in her neighborhood. “All that stuff? No, thanks,” she said. “It’s fine the way it is.”
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Now back to the Everett proposal which is probably worse than the Suffolk Downs proposal for the state of Mass because of Traffic, Pollution, Crime.

These politicans are not looking out for the best interest of our state.
 
TheRifleman said:
Gotta love these political scumbags now trying to rearranged the proposal now for just Revere.

Best quote of the day by this E.Boston voter:


Now back to the Everett proposal which is probably worse than the Suffolk Downs proposal for the state of Mass because of Traffic, Pollution, Crime.

These politicans are not looking out for the best interest of our state.
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62 percent of voters in Revere voted in favor of the casino. Isn't it good government on the part of Revere leaders to try and accomodate a proposal that their residents support by a fairly substantial margin?
 
Where would it go? On the revere side of Suffolk downs?
 
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Where would it go? On the revere side of Suffolk downs?
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Yes, this is the same theory I've put forward a few months ago. I always saw an Eastie vote as an iffy prospect, while the Revere vote was always something of a lock. Obviously, dumping Ceasars 2 weeks before the vote didn't help.

It needs to also be said, that SD owns the old Wonderland dog track. I suspect you will see something come out of Revere in the next 24 to 48 hours. If they are going to do this, they will need to move quick.
 
This casino is going to be a mess for that area. I am glad to see the residents of East Boston made the right call imo and shot this thing down.
 
jdrinboston said:
62 percent of voters in Revere voted in favor of the casino. Isn't it good government on the part of Revere leaders to try and accomodate a proposal that their residents support by a fairly substantial margin?
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Then why didn't the political hacks propose it for Revere in the first place?
 
TheRifleman said:
Then why didn't the political hacks propose it for Revere in the first place?
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Because clearly the logistics of the site make it much easier to build the facility without having to worry where the town line is. As it is, they will likely need to get Boston's permission to move the stable areas to the East Boston side of the property, which isn't going to be slam dunk if the purpose of the move is to put a casino on the Revere side of the property. This is where the Wonderland site may come into play.

They took a calculated political risk, which they thought could be overcome based on the surrounding-area's voting history - and they lost. It happens.
 
Shifting the casino area 500' seems super sketchy and I would be completely shocked if the MGC approved it. It flies right in the face of having a local voting provision in the law. Plus would Boston get the same mitigation money. I would expect a flood of lawsuits that would stall the project and the MGC would have to see that coming. By contrast, Everett approved overwhelmingly and would rightfully raise hell if that happened.

I don't know about the Wonderland opportunity because I really am not familiar with the Eastie/Revere area, but that seems like the only last ditch hope for SD. Who knows what they would have to do for voting.
 
The political Pieces of Shit who are involved in this are trying to game every situation possible to gain victory.
First only E.Boston residents can vote for a Boston Casino.
Second if the proposal gets denied for E.Boston we can rearrange it on the Revere Side.

If your going to propose something that effects everybody in the city wouldn't you just propose the deal in an honest way instead of being a sneaky PIECE OF SHIT.
Why not just let the city of Boston and Revere VOTE for the casino:
LET THE PEOPLE (TAXPAYERS in Both cities vote for the casino instead of just one area) It effects everybody (Because the taxpayers will be liable to pony up big infrastructure costs) Owe you must have missed the memo.

The politicans just got backdoored by the educated class.

Congrads E.Boston Residents.
 
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