MA Casino Developments

What's wrong is to try to pin huge metropolitan-wide multimodal issues on any one use (particularly a non-commute one like a casino) The problems we have are bigger, older, and caused by a million commuters, not 10,000 casino goers.

Widen the roads around the casino, and all you'll do is attract cut-through commuters who heard 16, 99, 28 and 38 "got better" and then they'll look for back streets to tweak their access.

First off---The casino is going to be bigger than 10,000 casino goers. Add another 5000 cars on the road especially on Friday and Saturday night when Wynn starts flying A list stars to perform.

This Casino Development is more than just some boat casino. This is BIG and will take a percentage of Boston nightlife away for a while.

The casino will be the nightlife-- All types of bars, Restaurants, Clubs, events, conferences, A-list Performers for everybody. WYNN goal is not the gambling it will be rental units that will make his casino priceless near the city of Boston.

This is one investment I wish I had my money in. This is a lock--All these rich international students come to Boston--Celebrities, This is actually going to put EVERETT on the MAP-- Everett Casino will be the most profitable one in this country.
 
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Yes. I meant engineering conservative. Overestimating everything to be safe when the reality is much less than the designed peak.

Gambling does not exist to fill rooms. Rooms exist to keep people gambling. The money is in the gambling and the food/bars/venues. The rooms are secondary or even tertiary as evidenced by the "comping" of rooms for high rollers, half price rooms M-T, etc.

It may be a can't miss no-brainer as you describe it, but you obviously have no idea how the industry works. $200 - 300 bucks a night for a room is nice, but the house taking in thousands per hour at tables or better yet computerized games is the money maker for these guys. Paying a dealer at a tables that is pulling in hundreds and thousands per hour versus a 100 people to run a hotel that is making literally tens of dollars per hour. The pay back for one, blows the other out of the water.

I do enjoy your new ways of thinking such as a new highway serving downtown. If they only had that idea 50 years ago, we might not be in this predicament..... oh wait.....
 
Yes. I meant engineering conservative. Overestimating everything to be safe when the reality is much less than the designed peak.

Gambling does not exist to fill rooms. Rooms exist to keep people gambling. The money is in the gambling and the food/bars/venues. The rooms are secondary or even tertiary as evidenced by the "comping" of rooms for high rollers, half price rooms M-T, etc.

It may be a can't miss no-brainer as you describe it, but you obviously have no idea how the industry works. $200 - 300 bucks a night for a room is nice, but the house taking in thousands per hour at tables or better yet computerized games is the money maker for these guys. Paying a dealer at a tables that is pulling in hundreds and thousands per hour versus a 100 people to run a hotel that is making literally tens of dollars per hour. The pay back for one, blows the other out of the water.

I do enjoy your new ways of thinking such as a new highway serving downtown. If they only had that idea 50 years ago, we might not be in this predicament..... oh wait.....

I'm talking the entire Development will be the money making scheme:
Like you said
Gambling:
Hotel:
food/bars/venues:
Conferences
Concerts

I meant the overall commercial rental units will be the real wealth producer from this development. Dunkins, CVS, ECT all the retail will pay prime dollar to be located in this development.

Yes.......I believe they will say anything to down play traffic in this area: When the game begins I will guarantee it a complete cluster fuck. The area is already a mess now factor a 1.3 Billion dollar Entertainment Venue on the outside of Boston Rim. Which Boston has never experienced in its history.

For tourists that come see Boston: The city of EVERETT will be a must stop.

The Everett casino "If built" will be one of the most revenue generating casinos in this country.
 
The casino will be the nightlife-- All types of bars, Restaurants, Clubs, events, conferences, A-list Performers for everybody. WYNN goal is not the gambling it will be rental units that will make his casino priceless near the city of Boston.

The more right you are about this, the clearly more wrong you are about traffic. If it is all about nightlife, nightlife uses the roads at idle/uncongested times.
 
The more right you are about this, the clearly more wrong you are about traffic. If it is all about nightlife, nightlife uses the roads at idle/uncongested times.

I hope your right. I live in the suburbs and think the traffic is getting worse each year-- This area I feel will Clog 93 going into the city. It doesn't matter how much money they put in this area. A major Attraction like this will do no justice for this area.

What should have been done is our leaders should SUE Monsanto to clean up the land and build more Housing which is very well needed in this area. That is more logical.
 
As for the traffic concerns for Everett... it would have been good to see a commuter rail stop there to serve both the casino and the gateway center (and the residential) especially with more frequent DMU service becoming available potentially in the medium term. But I believe someone on here mentioned that the proximity to the bridge and the incline there made a stop at the casino itself technically/regulation infeasible.

Maybe someone could take a look at that incline issue again though, because it seems that it flattens out towards towards the MBTA bus facility further along the track. Putting a CR station at the MBTA facility seems like it would be a no-brainer since it could serve the casino, the gateway shopping center and the residential buildings on Charlton street and perhaps have a bus transfer service.
 
As for the traffic concerns for Everett... it would have been good to see a commuter rail stop there to serve both the casino and the gateway center (and the residential) especially with more frequent DMU service becoming available potentially in the medium term. But I believe someone on here mentioned that the proximity to the bridge and the incline there made a stop at the casino itself technically/regulation infeasible.

Maybe someone could take a look at that incline issue again though, because it seems that it flattens out towards towards the MBTA bus facility further along the track. Putting a CR station at the MBTA facility seems like it would be a no-brainer since it could serve the casino, the gateway shopping center and the residential buildings on Charlton street and perhaps have a bus transfer service.

Concerning the MBTA: What they could do is address Sullivan Square--Make a personal overpass to the Casino for MBTA buses only. This could work for the MBTA since Sullivan is so close.

Sullivan Square Stop right now is a mess:
 
Concerning the MBTA: What they could do is address Sullivan Square--Make a personal overpass to the Casino for MBTA buses only. This could work for the MBTA since Sullivan is so close.

Sullivan Square Stop right now is a mess:

A new bridge is super expensive in the $200 to $300 million dollar range. A new commuter rail stop would run in the $14 to $16 million in today's dollars based on the New Balance Boston landing Station Cost and if the grade change isn't too steep further down.
 
A major Attraction like this will do no justice for this area.
The real major attraction here is "jobs downtown"--something that attracts about 250,000 people to Boston and another 50,000 to Cambridge every day. 300,000 non-core people are attracted to the core every working day *at rush hour* There's the "attraction" that crushes the roads--offices in the AM, homes in the PM. In this scheme of things, 10,000 people who mostly move outside of the peaks and don't coordinate their "tip-off-time" is a pure nothing.

I live in the suburbs and think the traffic is getting worse each year-- This area I feel will Clog 93 going into the city. It doesn't matter how much money they put in this area.
You are correct that traffic is getting worse, but that's because core employment is rising...it entirely pre-dates, post-dates, and transcends the Casino.

The Big Dig, by making the Central Artery less clogged has induced more people to use I-93 in all its other places, so the rush-hour jam just moved to Medford--really a perfect example of how building more road makes traffic worse.

When the Central Artery was the Fitz, it wasn't worth driving through Medford to get to it (only to hafta sit in traffic still). Now that it's the O'Neill, its worth sitting in traffic in Medford to wait for (at rush hour), and nobody's commute is faster (though perhaps more are being processed) (see also the Baess' Paradox thread, which discusses one of several ways that the "common sense" view that more roads would mean less congestion(which turns out to be wrong...and probably wrong with the improvements that the Casino will pay for))
 
If anything, improvements in driving in Charlestown/Everett/Wellington using Casino money (but not needed to serve the Casino's eve/wknd clients) will likely be mostly used by cut-through commuters at rush hour, and encourage more people to drive to "the core" every day, generally making traffic worse. That's the paradox.

Only something like extending the Urban Ring from the new Chelsea SL extension to Wellington and Assembly (ideally on a dedicated HOV/Busway/Bikeway) would actually make rush hour better
 
What about a large parking garage at Sullivan Square where that surface lot is now? Get people on the Orange Line. But also shuttle to the casino. Sullivan Square should really be an intermodal hub with a 1800 car garage like Wonderland on the Blue Line.
 
The real major attraction here is "jobs downtown"--something that attracts about 250,000 people to Boston and another 50,000 to Cambridge every day. 300,000 non-core people are attracted to the core every working day *at rush hour* There's the "attraction" that crushes the roads--offices in the AM, homes in the PM. In this scheme of things, 10,000 people who mostly move outside of the peaks and don't coordinate their "tip-off-time" is a pure nothing.


You are correct that traffic is getting worse, but that's because core employment is rising...it entirely pre-dates, post-dates, and transcends the Casino.

The Big Dig, by making the Central Artery less clogged has induced more people to use I-93 in all its other places, so the rush-hour jam just moved to Medford--really a perfect example of how building more road makes traffic worse.

When the Central Artery was the Fitz, it wasn't worth driving through Medford to get to it (only to hafta sit in traffic still). Now that it's the O'Neill, its worth sitting in traffic in Medford to wait for (at rush hour), and nobody's commute is faster (though perhaps more are being processed) (see also the Baess' Paradox thread, which discusses one of several ways that the "common sense" view that more roads would mean less congestion(which turns out to be wrong...and probably wrong with the improvements that the Casino will pay for))

Arlington -- to paraphrase the line in My Fair Lady -- I think you almost got it

Like Rome -- The jobs / business has always been "Downtown" starting with the magnificent harbor

The other driver has been the geology and the surface topography of the nearly island of "prosperity at the core --- together -- along with improvements in technology of transportation has let the "system" develop in chronological order over hundreds of years -- hence the structure of Boston -- aka "the Hub":
  • natural waterways later enhanced with canals
  • Footpaths which later became surface roads
  • railroads -- today's CR & Amtrak
  • streetcar lines & Subway
  • Highways & Expressways
  • global network of airline connections


The common error in the typical superficial analysis is to assume that the employment attractor has not changed -- hence the "induced demand" on I-93 due to the better driving conditions occasioned by Big Dig making driving more desireable

No au contraire -- the desire to drive on I-93 from the North, the Turnpike, the Southeast Expressway came from the growing business activity at the core combined with unavailability of adequate desirable living options in the core*1

the most recent "inducement" to "commute" has been the subtle shift of the location of the "traditional 128-style job" [aka engineering -- e.g. Raytheon, DEC, etc.] which used to be distributed along Rt-128, I-495, I-93 North toward NH and into NH and some out on Rt-2

Today increasingly these types of jobs*2 are growing most rapidly in the core Cambridge / Boston adding to the growth of traditional core jobs of Finance, Education & Healthcare

All of this leads to the local traffic reports now giving the time from the NH border to the Leverett Connector, etc.

The presence of a Casino at Everett is a drop in the proverbial bucket

Nor will the inducement to drive be fixed by a North-South rail tunnel

The only "fix" is more desirable housing options in the core to meet the needs of the growing working population


*1 Remember that the old elevated Artery was designed for 75,000 cars per day in the 1950's -- today 200,000+ cars / trucks, buses flow through the O'Neil Tunnel and nearly 350,000 traverse the intersection of I-93 & I-95 in Woburn

*2 e.g. Google, Microsoft, Amazon and the locally born companies such as Carbonite, Wayfair, Hubspot
 
Because Wellington is 20 seconds away?

It's also got the space for it, the land utilization that could be improved somewhat by trading parking acreage for parking height, and is the superior location for a park-and-ride being on an E-W parkway with fewer traffic lights than any other collector.

The linchpin is going to need to be MassHighway completing the missing legs of the 93/16 interchange by adding:

-- 93N to 16E offramp
-- 16W to 93N onramp off the existing collector road
-- 16W to 93S onramp grafted onto the existing traffic light

. . .and then deleting the Mystic Ave./Exit 30 ramps to clean all that traffic off the city-street section of Mystic Ave.


That's what load-shifts enough extra traffic away from McGrath, Mystic Ave., and Sullivan to start weighting the Wellington Circle light cycles much heavier in the 16/E-W direction and much lighter in the Fellway/N-S direction. Fellsway's the one carrying too much induced demand because of that mangled sequence of 93 interchanges, punishing 16's natural demand by splitting the Circle light cycles 50/50. Everything would flow much better without queue backups if 16 could grab two-thirds or three-fifths of the cycle.


That helps the park-and-ride situation by giving Wellington a much freer-flowing shot to 93. So now you take the wasteland on the east side of the station and build an equivalent-size garage as the west side of the station, expanded parking capacity from the existing lot at 1/5 the land utilization, placed much closer to the parkway for egress than the narrow maze between parking rows. Give the entire back acreage over to the T for a bus depot and maintenance yard (note: this is exactly what their own bus study was looking at to close Fellsway and Lynn garages and consolidate at a Charlestown/Everett/Medford "main campus").

Now you have a parking sink where a parking sink should ideally go, and it's a fat enough target that casino-goers won't be cruising Sullivan or Assembly looking for spots. The casino shuttles can just run with much heavier headways to Wellington for the folks who want T station parking for a day trip of little casino action + little downtown action.


And then for actual casino traffic down 99...focus on rebuild of the Santilli Circle rotary and those incomplete ramps from 16 to compact that whole setup into something more logical that involves direct access and a less-distended trip down the frontage road.

Don't worry about increased volumes on the Sullivan end of 99, or more parking at Sullivan...focus on removing more volumes from that end by smoothing out yet more of the flow kinks on the 16-to-93 segment. This works by:
-- fixing 16/93 interchange
-- fixing 16/99 interchange
-- Fellsway writ-large induced demand reductions to weight Wellington Circle traffic/signals way heavier in the 16 direction
-- Sullivan writ-large induced demand reductions (Rutherford Ave. diet, Square-proper traffic calming, 16 the preferred signed casino route for the out-of-towners, less hunting-and-pecking for parking around there)
-- Wellington upgraded to the parking-sink T stop taking advantage of the 16 upgrades. Again, ending the hunt-and-peck game for parking at other stops. If you've gotta have an Alewife Redux (and they probably do), this is the place for it.



I'd also say, if the EIS'ing isn't too brutal around the back way around the river, the Mystic View Rd. access road to Gateway Center can be upgraded into a casino driveway with an overpass over the train tracks. You'd need 1 traffic light at the primary shopping center driveway, but otherwise the whole of that road from there to Costco and around back to the dam is totally empty. Couldn't they just snake a slightly widened version of it around the back of Costco, cross over the tracks, and be there without ever touching Route 99?

That's -1 rotaries on 16, -4 traffic lights on 99...and now you can start putting 99 on a road diet too to really discourage over-use of Sullivan. Gateway Ctr. = main casino driveway...full-stop. That, and putting your chips on 16-to-93 as the main conduit and Wellington as the main parking sink is where this traffic all gets reliably funneled onto a preferred corridor. I think the net result ends up significantly less traffic than today at Sullivan and through all manner of Somerville because of what it further enables for induced demand-control road diets.
 
Because Wellington is 20 seconds away?

During rush hour? A parking garage at Sullivan Square would be literally at the end of the 93 off ramp not down the road. If traffic is bad get off the road and park.
 
Wow you guys really hate cars
I love my car.
I hate taking my car into the city.
I would love for more people to feel this way, and realize they don't need it all day everyday.
People hate traffic.
People have the ability to avoid traffic.
People choose to sit in traffic.
People bitch about sitting in traffic.
People ask for more roads and parking, which ultimately create..... more traffic for sitting in.
You can lead a horse to water.....
 

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