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Also keep in mind the reason we don't see so many crappy old buildings is because they were CRAP and eventually got torn down. In 50-100 years what ever Modernist buildings are left from today will be the good ones that lasted, either through good design or good build. Too many people see the past through the wrong glasses.

Everyone lauds European cities but you have to realize they've had hundreds, sometimes thousands, of years of time to try new things and throw out the crap that doesn't work. Boston has had what, 400ish? Most American cities are half that.

People have always put of cheap crap. The stuff that lasts lasts for a reason so don't think we always were putting up masterpieces.
 
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^ I don't think that's true...look at the vast majority of the great American neighborhoods...back bay, south end, brooklyn heights, lincoln park, rowhouse manhattan...these were all built in a thirty to forty year window between 1870 and 1910. They remain remarkably coherent/preserved. The quality of construction and materials was superior because labor was cheaper and both quality and aesthetics were demanded by the market/consumer. Part of the reason we don't have quality today is we do not demand it...as a result there is a lack of skilled masons and other tradesmen and so they are paid a premium when a consumer does demand quality design and construction.

And in both home construction and commercial development (but especially home construction) the quality of materials used are vastly inferior to those used prior to the 1950s. For instance...most sheetrock is a very poor substitute for lath and plaster construction from a sound attenuation perspective. Solid core wooden doors are the exception rather than the rule...it goes on and on.
 
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^stat

I generally agree with you. Not on this.

I've said it over and over. Plenty of money is available. Plenty. It's private capital and land value that I'm talking about. Maybe the banks aren't lending, but the property owners have made a fortune and aren't investing it... they are carrying the cash away from the project site(s).

Actually we do agree on this. I was just being somewhat coy. You are right, there is plenty of private equity, and the property owners aren't investing it in high quality buildings or at all (re: Filenes). Not because they won't make money, but because they won't make the most possible amount of money (ie. highest possible profit margins). As any real estate agent will tell you the three most important factors in the price of real estate are location, location, and location. Notice that material and build quality are not on that list, therefore, the cheaper the building, the higher the profit margin. And while I'm sure that earlier developers paid close attention to the bottom line, I'm also sure they were more willing to sacrifice a little profit for pride in quality.
 
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I'm assuming many of you are architects.

Boston has many great architectural firms. They just don't get the jobs (here) to justify the time it takes to do great work.

The clients (property owners / developers) are sucking money out of the projects and the architectural community is penny-pinched on every project.

I'm telling you -- plenty of folks are making money hand over fist.

Just not the architectural community.

This is why standards do matter -- because the money is available.

^^VANSHNOOKRAGGEN

I'd like to agree with you but Boston settles for mediocrity on sites that had the most potential in the entire city. This thread is one.
 
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Hayward Place condo tower breaks ground downtown
By Greg Turner
Tuesday, November 15, 2011


Millennium Partners kicked off construction of a $220 million residential tower near Downtown Crossing today with a ground-breaking trumpeted by Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino.

The New York City-based developer and its Boston partners started work on the 15-story Hayward Place that will open in about two years with 256 condominiums and street-level shops. The project will create 450 construction jobs.

“What a great day in the neighborhood,” Menino told a crowd packed into a white tent for this morning’s ceremony. “This ground-breaking of Hayward Place is another sign of economic growth and forward progress on the revitalization of this area.”

The project site is now a parking lot on lower Washington Street facing the Paramount Theater and the Millennium-built Ritz-Carlton Hotel and Towers. The wedge-shaped block is close to Chinatown and the old Combat Zone, once home to strip clubs, bars and brothels that had its heyday in the 1970s.

“This project is a very big piece of what we’ve been trying to do downtown,” said Anthony Pangaro, Millennium’s principal in Boston. “The name Combat Zone has faded well into the past, but that’s what it was called for a very long time. It’s basically gone. Now it’s a neighborhood. People live here, they care about it.”

Hayward Place — featuring 9,700 square feet of retail and 125 underground parking spaces — follows the recent ground-breaking for the Kensington, a 381-unit residential tower down the street.

“The new residents that will live in this new building will add to the vitality, the livability and quality of life in this area,” said Rosemarie Sansone, head of the Downtown Crossing Business Improvement District. “The residents are really what make this area as wonderful and as beautiful as it is.”

Millennium hired Suffolk Construction to build Hayward Place, which won city approval in October 2006 but went nowhere during the recession.

The developer revised the plan earlier this year and finally secured construction loans from London-based bank HSBC and the German financial giant Helaba, according to Millennium founder Christopher Jeffries.

“We’re fortunate as a contractor to be the beneficiary of this,” said Suffolk Construction CEO John Fish. “To go forward on building a condominium project in this day and age is almost unheard of.”

Hayward Place’s designer is Handel Architects, the firm behind the National September 11 Memorial & Museum in New York.

Menino noted the infusion of $2 million in annual taxes to the city from Hayward Place and the influx of 1,000 planned housing units in the third quarter alone — a level not seen since 2006 when the real estate market was booming.

The mayor also struck an optimistic tone about the demolished Filene’s block, farther up Washington Street, that remains an empty eyesore with still no action by New York developer Vornado Realty Trust.

“Things are happening here. In the last month or so, two major developments have broken ground, and we have one more development out there — anyone want to bid for it?” Menino joked. “But that’s going to happen also, folks.”

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Hayward Place condo residents demand Paramount sign by turned off
By Greg Turner
Tuesday, November 11, 2014

New residents of the recently opened Hayward Place condo tower are outraged over what they say is an extreme amount of light coming from the Paramount theater sign.

"We can't sleep, we can't think, it's brighter than noon at 1am, it's torture" says Mary, a resident who has been living in the condo for over nine days.

The residents are suing the city, the theater owner, Suffolk Construction, Millennium Partners among others to demand the sign be turned off and they be compensated for lost sleep.

When asked to comment on the lawsuit, Menino noted the infusion of $2 million in annual taxes to the city from Hayward Place and the influx of 1,000 planned housing units in the third quarter alone — a level not seen since 2006 when the real estate market was booming.

"They have good standing, and because they bring in so much money to the city, they have a right to sleep well," he said. "It's a residential neighborhood, not a theme park."

The mayor also struck an optimistic tone about the demolished Filene’s block, farther up Washington Street, that remains an empty eyesore with still no action by New York developer Vornado Realty Trust. Mayor Menino mentioned that 2015 would be a promising year for that project.
 
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^ I don't think that's true...look at the vast majority of the great American neighborhoods...back bay, south end, brooklyn heights, lincoln park, rowhouse manhattan...these were all built in a thirty to forty year window between 1870 and 1910. They remain remarkably coherent/preserved. The quality of construction and materials was superior because labor was cheaper and both quality and aesthetics were demanded by the market/consumer. Part of the reason we don't have quality today is we do not demand it...as a result there is a lack of skilled masons and other tradesmen and so they are paid a premium when a consumer does demand quality design and construction.

Do you know why? We had an influx of cheap labor just when corporations and capitalists were hitting their first major stride. You had all these skilled builders coming over from Europe. It was a perfect storm. Also these neighborhoods were a reaction against the rest of the late 19th Century urban hellscape of slums and factories.

But places like Back Bay are the exception. They were built for the upper class (the 1%). It's comparing apples to oranges. There were still many other crappy buildings built throughout the city that have been torn down by today.


And in both home construction and commercial development (but especially home construction) the quality of materials used are vastly inferior to those used prior to the 1950s. For instance...most sheetrock is a very poor substitute for lath and plaster construction from a sound attenuation perspective. Solid core wooden doors are the exception rather than the rule...it goes on and on.

No argument there. The worst thing about modernist architecture was that it gave builders a license to be cheap, to build throw away buildings.
 
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A little more research for the "good is the enemy of the perfect" crowd...

<unconfirmed>

The Hayward Place parcel was gifted by the City of Boston to the developer in 2001.

The lease allows for the application of a 121A tax exemption upon completion of construction.

</unconfirmed>

Think we could do better at one of the finest sites in the USA?
 
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I'd like to agree with you but Boston settles for mediocrity on sites that had the most potential in the entire city. This thread is one.

I agree but it isn't just Boston. Trust me, most of the stuff in NYC that's gone up in the last decade is just as shitty. The only thing is the city is so large it all blends in. Boston is too small so anything you build will stand out more. It isn't just Boston (though I'm not the first to say that Boston is a city that is in denial about being a city).
 
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^ I don't think that's true...look at the vast majority of the great American neighborhoods...back bay, south end, brooklyn heights, lincoln park, rowhouse manhattan...these were all built in a thirty to forty year window between 1870 and 1910. They remain remarkably coherent/preserved. The quality of construction and materials was superior because labor was cheaper and both quality and aesthetics were demanded by the market/consumer. Part of the reason we don't have quality today is we do not demand it...as a result there is a lack of skilled masons and other tradesmen and so they are paid a premium when a consumer does demand quality design and construction.

One thing those neighborhoods have in common is that they were built as residential, often under the supervision of the occupant to be. You will always get quality if the building is designed for the sake of the owner. Most are not, though. As others have noted, we may ultimately like these buildings, or they may ultimately disappear. But a neighborhood is the collection, not each constituent part. For a gem to standout, it helps to have some mediocrity across the street. Go take a long walk thr8ugh Manhattan some time, you will note that most buildings are singularly boring, many even ugly. The amazing ones make up a small fraction. Manhattan is spectacular not for any of these gems, but for the overall impact of building upon building. What DTX needs is buildings to replace parking lots and holes. The actual look of each building matters far less.
 
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Boston is not New York.

We don't have that many opportunities.

I'd argue that we can fill holes and build gems at the same time.

There's no reason why property owners and developers are lining their pockets with the value secured through upzoning without being required to reinvest in quality design, architecture and construction.

Boston is not New York. And it's not Detroit.
 
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^ I don't think that's true...look at the vast majority of the great American neighborhoods...back bay, south end, brooklyn heights, lincoln park, rowhouse manhattan...these were all built in a thirty to forty year window between 1870 and 1910. They remain remarkably coherent/preserved. The quality of construction and materials was superior because labor was cheaper and both quality and aesthetics were demanded by the market/consumer. Part of the reason we don't have quality today is we do not demand it...as a result there is a lack of skilled masons and other tradesmen and so they are paid a premium when a consumer does demand quality design and construction.

And in both home construction and commercial development (but especially home construction) the quality of materials used are vastly inferior to those used prior to the 1950s. For instance...most sheetrock is a very poor substitute for lath and plaster construction from a sound attenuation perspective. Solid core wooden doors are the exception rather than the rule...it goes on and on.

Sidewalk -- the reason you got Beacon Hill (Common Side down to Charles) is the same reason you got the best of the Back Bay -- most of these were single famaily town homes custom built under contract for the rollers and shakers of the time -- they were the 1% to use the misappropriated tem -- the people like the Gardners, the Ames, Henry Lee Higinson (founder of the BSO); Harrison Gray Otis -- Millionares and Billionares to quote the president

But even on the 2nd Empire Paris on the Charles -- Comm Ave there was a 1 % efect --- the best of the best (money-wise at least) wanted and vied-for the sunny side of Comm Ave. The next level settled for the otherside or the Charles side of Beacon then down hill to the lesser streets btween Beacon and Marlborough and so on until finally on Newbury near to Mass Ave you had stables and quarters for servents.

The best of the best (e.g. people who founded the MFA) bought the land, hired the architects and the contractors and wouldn't stand for anything but the best -- or example consider this house descried on the site http://www.bosarchitecture.com/backbay/[pick your street and then an address]

"5-37 Commonwealth were built for ship owner, importer, and sugar refiner Elisha Atkins. He and his wife, Mary Ellen (Freeman) Atkins, lived at 37 Commonwealth.... By 1879, 35 Commonwealth was the home of Charles Marsh and his wife, Julia Maria (Barrett) Marsh -- Marsh was a partner in the wholesale and retail dry goods firm of Jordan, Marsh & Co...."

or 1 Commonwelath: " 1 Commonwealth Avenue was built ca. 1861 as the home of Samuel Gray Ward and his wife, Anna Hazard (Barker) Ward. In 1860, they had lived at 20 Louisburg Square on Beacon Hill.

He was a merchant and banker, and was the US agent for Baring Brothers Bank of London.

By 1870, it was the home of Mrs. Nicolas Reggio. In 1865, Mr. and Mrs. Reggio had lived at 57 Summer Street; he was a merchant and vice-consul of Italy.

By 1877, it was the home of David Snow.

By 1880, it was the home of cotton manufacturer James Sullivan Amory and his wife, Mary Copley (Greene) Amory. Living with them at the time of the 1880 US Census were their adult unmarried sons, Frederic Amory (a cotton manufacturer, probably in his father's firm), Augustine Amory (a clergyman), and Harcourt Amory.

After Mary (Greene) Amory's death, 1 Commonwealth was acquired by Joshua Montgomery Sears and his wife, Sarah Carlisle (Choate) Sears. They owned and lived at 12 Arlington Street, next door. After acquiring 1 Commonwealth they consolidated it with their home; the entrance to 1 Commonwealth was removed and the entire second story was remodeled into a music room.

Joshua M. Sears was a real estate investor, and Sarah Choate Sears was a well-known and respected watercolorist and pictorialist photographer.

They also maintained a summer home, “Wolf Pen Farm,” in Southborough.

J. Montgomery Sears died in June of 1905. Sarah Sears continued to live at 12 Arlington Street with her son, J. Montgomery (“Monty”) Sears, Jr., and daughter, Helen.

Monty Sears was killed in an automobile accident in August of 1908. Helen Sears was married in July of 1913 to James D. Cameron Bradley. After their marriage, James and Helen Bradley lived at 12 Hereford Street.

By 1920, the Bradleys had moved to 12 Arlington Street to live with Sarah Sears. James Bradley probably died in about 1929, and Helen Bradley continued to live at 12 Arlington Street with her mother.

Sarah Sears died in September of 1935. Helen Bradley continued to live at 12 Arlington Street in 1937. John L. Hall, et al, Trustees are shown as the owners of 12 Arlington Street on the 1938 Bromley map.

12 Arlington Street and 1 Commonwealth remained combined as a single property, with the address of 12 Arlington.

By late 1937, the property appears to have been owned by Edward Wyner, owner of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel. On December 10, 1937, he filed a permit to build a 17-story apartment house on the site, presumably demolishing both houses. The permit application apparently never was pursued. "

As an aside these house biographies make for interesting reading and a new game -- you pick a house and then follow links to other houses owned by the initial or subsequent owners -- try to get back to something you've already seen without directly unwinding -- fascinating -- this is the network of the 1% circa 1880-1920

Several steps down the uppper middle class settled in the equally new English Victorian style Souh End

Then many steps down at the same halcyon time -- you had the imigrant communities in the West End and the North End. In the North End -- Paul Revere's House -- somewhat old (200 years old) and decrepit by now (1890) -- had been creatively reused after Revere sold the home in 1800 -- as a tenement with the ground floor used for shops, including at various times a candy store, cigar factory, bank and vegetable and fruit business.
 
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FYI-Peter Lynch & wife now live at 1 Commonwealth Ave. Over the years, they've purchased three condos in the building, presumably combined them. Family named Kessler (1-percenter) owns much of the rest. Third owner is Gilda Slifka (Global Petroleum). That name doesn't have the same ring as Cabot, Lodge, or Crowninshield now, does it.

Fourth owner of record is Arlene Osoff, deceased in 2010.
 
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Boston is not New York.

Has anyone, ever, said that it was? We are trying to make the point that mediocre buildings get built even in places where people don't think of them.

I've tried to make this point many times before but some people just can't seem to fathom that every building cannot and should not be a masterpiece worthy of the ages.

I don't care if Hayward Pl and the Kensington and whatever else they build in DTX are "ugly". All I care about is if they fill in the gaping holes in the urban fabric, get more people and eyes on the street, and add more density and life into downtown. Let Millennium Towers or the W Hotel try and stand out. There will always be a place for a landmark. But a city that is all landmarks, in the end, has none.
 
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jass said:
When asked to comment on the lawsuit, Menino noted the infusion of $2 million in annual taxes to the city from Hayward Place and the influx of 1,000 planned housing units in the third quarter alone — a level not seen since 2006 when the real estate market was booming.

I lolled hard.
 
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But a city that is all landmarks, in the end, has none.

I have been making this argument for years. Fabric should be fabric and does not have to be a masterpiece. HP is subjectively ugly to some, but in the end it is a good bit of urban infill. For that matter, so is Archstone, and KP will be too. This part of town does not need a monument. (maybe a small green space or two would be good though)

cca
 
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FYI-Peter Lynch & wife now live at 1 Commonwealth Ave. Over the years, they've purchased three condos in the building, presumably combined them. Family named Kessler (1-percenter) owns much of the rest. Third owner is Gilda Slifka (Global Petroleum). That name doesn't have the same ring as Cabot, Lodge, or Crowninshield now, does it.

Fourth owner of record is Arlene Osoff, deceased in 2010.

Kronenschieldt fits with Kessler, Slifka and Osoff. All sons and daughters of Mittle Europa!
 
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Ugh. No one is asking for the next Palace of Versailles to be built on this lot. Look at what is being being built. It's not just ugly, it's not just plain, it's actively terrible.

Is really too much to ask for a little bit of thought, creativity and, god forbid, money to go into a new development?
 

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