Millennium Tower (Filene's) | 426 Washington Street | Downtown

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Its funny how you arch types are being positive towards the new rendering...Its a cross between Altantic Wharf and 60 State. Yeeaaaa, sweeeeet design. I feel like some here are pretending to be something they're not. Or at least keep up with stuff your commenting on; the base level has always been differentiated.
 
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Its funny how you arch types are being positive towards the new rendering...Its a cross between Altantic Wharf and 60 State. Yeeaaaa, sweeeeet design. I feel like some here are pretending to be something they're not. Or at least keep up with stuff your commenting on; the base level has always been differentiated.

I don't know about that. I think most of us aren't claiming to be arch types... just fans of architecture/ development in Boston. For what this building is slated to do, it does it well (in the rendering). The tower portion is OK. It looks like the W or Russia Wharf in that it's a stubby glass tower, but there is some tapering and design work to keep it from being too boring. The base is what looks nice. The new portion of the facade works very well in contrast with the old facades. For a moderately large footprint, it's broken up well. It's a solid rendering as a whole... not groundbreaking, but also different enough to be successful. It's not as bland as Russia Wharf or the W.

What I like about this building is that it appears it will serve its purpose well (knit back together the neighborhood and add some more life to the streets around it). If it were taller, a bit more of an intriguing design would be called for. However, for a building of this height in this location, there's nothing wrong with the design. What needed to happen was for excellent ground level interaction and design and that's what the renderings show. I'm fine with it.
 
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If they could find money to build just the base it would be an amazing building. The tower part seems like Atlantic Wharf 2.0.
 
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I like it, it just needs to be taller. Par for the course. Heck, not even super tall, just Boston tall; 600' would work.
 
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I can really appreciate how the base of the new building is referencing the tripartite system with the same proportions of the existing part of the building. I agree with Lrfox, that even, just having this built with the outdoor plaza would be greatly successful.
 
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It looks like they took the old design, chopped off 100 feet, and bulked it up quite a bit.
I'd rather it remain a hole in the ground than for this piece of crap to be built in the heart of downtown.
 
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The lower nine floors in the newer rendering are unchanged from the original design. Only the Tower is altered. It looks 10 stories shorter and features a much simplified curtain wall system. I believe this scheme eliminates the residential component and one or two of the five below grade parking levels. Probably chopped $100m off the job. The rest of the program is unchanged.
 
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It's a really bad idea to completely eliminate the residential portion of the project. Yes it would allow construction to move ahead in the short term, but in the long term it's going to be a very big missed opportunity for the area.
 
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I think, as the economy recovers, that the original project will come back into the frame. There are complete CD's ready for permitting for the original project. If one of the proposed downsized schemes were to be picked, a whole new set of drawings would need to be commissioned and the time and cost of that would be undesirable.
 
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what used to be there in this lot before the massive hole came in? can someone post a picture?
 
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Not the best pictrure, I'll try to find better later, but to give an idea:

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Edit: BTW Starting at around page 30 of this thread you can see the creation of the hole documented day by day. Enjoy :(
 
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Though I have no love lost for the former building, it is FAR superior than the current hole if only for the reason that it housed actual, functioning stores.
 
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. . . Are there enough . . . Boston residents . . . [who] care enough about the anathema of the Filene's boondoggle to drag it into the spotlight of the mayoral election?

It was already dragged into the spotlight in ?Rushing to a standstill; City allowed developers to skirt requirements in stalled $700m Downtown Crossing project? (Boston Globe, 26 March 2009)._ The question is whether voters care enough.

. . . Ned . . . if you put a fraction of the energy you've put into obstructing the development of Columbus Center into spotlighting the epic failure on the corner of Washington and Franklin, you'd be doing a real service to the entire city.

Filene?s is an epic failure (but only for the time being), whereas Columbus is an astronomical one:_ the Columbus square footage is larger, the cost is higher, and even after 14 years it has failed to obtain funding from banks, government, and even its owners._ Columbus is Boston?s longest running urban planning failure, for all the reasons that Filene?s failed, plus dozens more.

I never obstructed air rights development, or parcels 16-17-18-19 development, or even Columbus Center; instead, I have worked hard to get development done there on the principles which taxpayers and toll-payers were promised, and which they have every right to expect:

? using competitive bids;
? at fair market value;
? with full financial disclosure;
? and Turnpike Master Plan compliance;
? at minimum environmental harm.

The Columbus owners continue refusing all 5 of these principles._ They painted themselves into a corner of their very own design, whereas Filene?s fell when the economy fell, and thus will rise again._ Columbus has no such prospects, because of the complex financial chicanery by which all 9 of the profiteers hoodwinked themselves and each other into a deal that can never succeed._ Here?s a short summary for all those who don?t want to read the 4-year Columbus Center thread:

? Project was proposed and approved as subsidy-free.
? But 19 public subsidies costing taxpayers $605 million were quietly sought.
? Then taxpayers and toll-payers got the subsidies rescinded.
? Even so, the owners spent $110 million assuming subsidies would repay them.
? The project never met commercial lending criteria (minimum 40% down, maximum 60% loan).
? No bank loan was ever issued, approved, or even applied for.
? No owner will eat any other owner?s losses, so all 9 partners are stuck.
? Two lawsuits have been threatened publicly (and probably a few more privately).

After missing every major deadline they ever set for themselves, the owners are continuing to quietly seek huge taxpayer-funded bail-outs.

The Filene?s mess is more apparent because there?s visual evidence of the damage._ There was never anything at the Columbus site, and there?s nothing there today, so most voters don?t see much harm._ The real damage is hidden in rarely seen records inside the government agencies that are still trying to pay for Columbus with taxpayer dollars.

In light of all the above, continuing to expose Columbus Center?s scam of taxpayers is a greater public service than criticizing Filene?s streamlined approvals, which the Globe already did nicely._ The Filene?s problem is just unfairly rushed approvals that led to a multi-year delay from which the developers will recover when the economy recovers, whereas the Columbus problem is a costly systemic government failure poised to repeat itself in 5 other air rights proposals now pending.

I am vastly more knowledgeable about Columbus than Filene?s, so kindly let me know if any of this comparison is flawed.
 
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For what it is worth, your comparison of the two projects seems quite cogent to me.
 
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That was probably the most level headed and coherent rebuke of the Columbus Center I've read, much better than your usual "Point 1, Point 2, etc" posts.
 
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I agree with the last two comments but would add that I would call Government Center or the West End demolition Boston's longest running urban planning failure.
 
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