New Bar and Restaurant for Long Warf

atlantaden said:
To me, the most amazing part of this story is that this project was first proposed in 2006 and was slated to open over the Memorial Day weekend, 2008!! Who the hell pays the lawyer's fees for these people??
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They don't usually pay fees - Victor Brogna does a lot of their legal work gratis.
 
But, we can at least see their point, right? Although it's obviously based on self-interests, there is something to be said about keeping the Harbor from becoming a carnival.

I think we have a shortage of restaurants, etc., on the Harbor, but can understand.
 
It's so far out though. Right now it's just an empty plaza. I don't get how noise on the tip of Long Wharf, which juts a considerable distance into the harbor, will effect any of their daily life in the North End. It's not even a highly trafficked destination. Most people don't even know that the wharf goes out that far. They don't go past the Marriott because Columbus Park is so attractive. You might as well just program that area to actually draw some people down there. The views are stunning.
 
Do people fish from this site, and if so, would a restaurant disrupt that use?
 
The end of Long Wharf is the only place to go with broad harbor views where you can linger without being run over or hustled along. I think they should just leave it that way. Now I should have to pay to eat at a restaurant to enjoy it? Screw people who are too lazy to walk to the end.

I've never seen anyone fishing there. Mostly people just sitting along and edge and skate boarders.
 
Indeed!
I thought this was long dead. I'm glad it's back in the table.
I just hope they realize it is to prominent a location to go cheap/cheesy. This needs to be nice.
 
Well, now that food trucks are around, maybe the solution would allow a few of them to park here (if access allows) during the summer months.
 
^ That could actually be a nice and elegant solution. The only sticking point for me though is whether they can arrange a food truck to have a liquor license!
 
Shepard said:
^ That could actually be a nice and elegant solution. The only sticking point for me though is whether they can arrange a food truck to have a liquor license!
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How about a bus bar right in the middle of all the food trucks. You could set up a little gate around it and make it a separate area kind of like that bar on the aquarium side.
 
^ You guys don't get it. Its not open space anymore if people are using it.
 
fattony said:
^ You guys don't get it. Its not open space anymore if people are using it.
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From the picture in the article, this looks like a HUGE space with a pavilion already in place. I don't see much difference in enclosing the pavilion for a restaurant's use with what was done on the Common with the abandoned bathroom which was made into the Earl of Sandwich shop.
 
Not to nitpick, but is there a way to correct the spelling of "Wharf" in the thread title?
 
617 said:
Seriously? Despite this ridiculous map how is restaurant and bar in that location anything besides a great idea?

Does nyc have groups of people like this?
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The difference between NYC and Boston isn't this.

The difference between NYC and Boston is that buildings in NYC have ground floor retail and restaurants/diners/coffee shops. Boston has too many ground floors without. The pedestrian is a leper according to Boston architecture. It is the difference between a truly livable residential city and one that isn't.
 
Forgetting for a minute whether or not we would like to see a restaurant/bar here, the BRA's actions are disturbing.
 
shmessy said:
The difference between NYC and Boston isn't this.

The difference between NYC and Boston is that buildings in NYC have ground floor retail and restaurants/diners/coffee shops. Boston has too many ground floors without. The pedestrian is a leper according to Boston architecture. It is the difference between a truly livable residential city and one that isn't.
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Well Manhattan also has ridiculous levels of density in almost all areas, that Boston and pretty much all other cannot match (even on smaller scales). A diner at the base of a building in NYC has 3x the people withing a quarter mile than most of Boston or even Chicago, Seattle or SF. NYC is not always the appropriate comparison.

BUT- to this space, i used to live on commercial, this spot at the end is perfect for a little enclosed spot, even something simple like sandwiches and cocktail and not like a legal harborside. That way it is more of a community spot and not a luxury hideout. But I used to go up the wharf almost daily and each day think, they really need to put something here.
 
Re: Marriott Long Wharf makeover

Bravo, North End morons. You get to keep your pointless pavilion at the end of Long Wharf and not get a restaurant that would bring steady activity and urban life to the end of the Wharf. Since when do judges get to make urban planning decisions? Bull.

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Judge slaps BRA; says it can't turn shelter at end of Long Wharf into a restaurant
By adamg on Thu, 08/27/2015 - 9:45am

http://www.universalhub.com/2015/judge-slaps-bra-says-it-cant-turn-shelter-end-long
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Re: Marriott Long Wharf makeover

From a planning standpoint it's silly. From a legal standpoint, it's the correct decision until the laws concerning commercial leases on parkland are rewritten.
 
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