New Bedford Developments

Looks like Riverside Landing (Fairhaven Mills site) has had some redesigning. from the small rendering of one of the buildings on site this looks like a more auto-centric plan. It also seems that the plan calls for this to be oriented more towards the I-195 offramp and not as much the neighborhood. Not sure I like it, but I'll reserve judgment until I see a rendering of the complete project and not one small buildings.

Also, the mill is going to be demolished entirely, not utilized in the new construction. This isn't a big deal as the mill isn't that important and many of the nicer mills are slated to be/ already have been redeveloped (Wamsutta was an excellent project). As long as this maintains some urban integrity, I don't mind seeing this mill go.

Fairhaven Mills project coming into focus



By JOE COHEN
jcohen@s-t.com
March 09, 2009 6:00 AM
complex vision

The preliminary plan for Riverside Landing includes:

* Anchor retail store of 95,000 square feet.
* Bank of 2,000 square feet.
* Office space of 19,800 square feet.
* Retail space of 31,800 square feet.

NEW BEDFORD ? If all pieces fall in place on an optimistic schedule of developers and public officials, by summer 2010 shoppers will be filling carts in a new Riverside Landing retail and mixed-use center where Fairhaven Mills used to stand.

Not long after, people will eat in restaurants and work in offices there, and motorists will wheel off and on new Interstate 195 ramps crossing an extensively upgraded Coggeshall Street with traffic lights and turning lanes.

But even before shoppers arrive, rowers and other small boaters may take to the Acushnet River from a future boathouse site at the end of Sawyer Street. Use of the river above Coggeshall Street by rowers and other boaters is expected to begin this summer.

more: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090309/NEWS/903090337
 
Alright,

The New Bedford Half Marathon (link: http://newbedfordhalfmarathon.com/ ) is tomorrow from 11-4pm.

The reason I mention this is because there is an event being hosted called, " The Restaurant Run." The event is intended to shed some light on the Downtown area's restaurant/ bar scene. Many places are offering discounts on food, drinks, etc. as well as free samples. It's an excellent time to check out what's going on in NB if you have some free time. Info on the event: http://downtownnb.org/restaurantrun.htm . The galleries, shops and museums are participating as well and some are offering free booze.

This is a great chance to see some of the newest additions to downtown (or all of them if you've never been).

Some BRAND NEW (within the past 3-4 months) venues downtown include:

Travessia Urban Winery (great, locally produced wines): http://www.travessiawine.com/



Hibernia Irish Pub (excellent selection including Guinness, Guinness Extra Cold, and their own Hibernia Ale): http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=385001492

and two of the newest mibro-brew/ craft beer houses (just open in the past two weeks):

Rose Alley Ale House (An EXCELLENT selection of craft beers, micro brews, and a few old time favorites): Site under construction, but info on their selection on their myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/rosealleyalehouse

The Pour Farm Tavern: Another craft beer/ Micro brew specialty place check their myspace (site under construction): http://www.myspace.com/thepourfarmtavern



There are a bunch of others, but these are the newest. It's worth giving a look if you have the time.

These places really remind me of venues like Gritty's, Bulfeeney's and Novare Res in Portland Maine. It's eerie.
 
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Great to see all the neat things that are happening in New Bedford. I'll have to get over there soon.

As for the Fairhaven Mill, I see what you are saying, Lrfox. Not all mills are architecturally significant. Still, I hate to see them go. Even the plainer ones, those without elaborate towers and such, help to establish an urban fabric and are so distinctively New England in their look. They are also so well built compared to what they will be replaced with. Dryvit over plywood is no match for load-bearing brick walls IMO. Plus mills can be turned into just about anything--housing, retail, studios, office, even if they are obsolete for most industrial purposes. Hopefully NB will keep most of them.
 
I agree about the mills. New Bedford has preserved and converted a bunch and is doing some more. Unfortunately, the Fairhaven Mill seemed to be in disrepair. It was an unfortunate choice between letting it stand as is and crumble (as no developer would pay to rehabilitate the building) or destroy it and rebuild. I'm sure what we get won't be as it should be, but I think in this particular situation, there weren't many options. It is unfortunate... some sort of preservation should have happened decades ago. It's going to be a bittersweet project here.
 
Fairhaven Mill is not in major disrepair. There were businesses in it on all floors over the past 5 years (various floors at various years). The strip mall that is proposed for this site is a 1980s-era typical mall. It has no tenants lined up. And likely will have few---because New Bedford is shunned by many stores for its low-budget demographic. And it is surrounded by malls. Renovating the Fairhaven Mill (there have been parties interested in buying single floors) and incorporating it in an dense mixed-use medical, retail (supermarket), residential, and service mix would be good for that site.
It is erroneous to say no developer is interested in it. There has never been a "for sale" sign on the mill. People have been interested in renovating it.
As noted in the newspaper recently, it is thought that the developer wants to knock it down so he can sell that part of the site. Others think he just wants to raze the whole site and sell it. And still others suspect he's awaiting the never-to-come casino. A casino in New Bedford would be a disaster.
That article posted above is by a reporter who was fired for kissing up to the mayor's office too much.
About an earlier post: There are places to stay in New Bedford, not that it has more than a day of stuff to do. There's even a bankrupted hotel just across the river. There are several B&Bs.
New Bedford definitely has some cool assets, but its leadership wants to keep it a grant-dependent ward of the state.
 
ecowaters, welcome to the site and thanks for the post.

maybe, "major disrepair" is a bit of an overstatement, but it needs MAJOR work and it's probably not worth it to save this particular mill. Of course this opinion is subjective, but I don't see this as something that needs to be saved. It COULD be saved (thus proving that "disrepair" is not the right term), but in the eyes of a developer, it's not worth it financially. The Whaler Place rendering (image posted a few pages back) which is now dead, would have been an ideal URBAN replacement that linked the existing neighborhood (which is in dire need of attention) to the waterfront and the development. The problem is that New Bedford is not a sure thing by any stretch for a developer for a number of reasons and it doesn't make sense to risk such a hefty investment into this type of project.

A building with a bit more architectural merit like the masterfully restored Wamsutta Mill makes a bit more sense to restore, but not Fairhaven.

I am usually all for preservation of existing architecture and I am well aware that Fairhaven Mills had tenants (notably, the Antiques place), but I think this building needs to go in favor of new development. While I certainly don't think that the current proposal is the way to go (too much parking lot), it's no 80's style mall. It's a mixed use development (office, bank, retail). That being said, it doesn't integrate with the neighborhood well and resembles a suburban office park. It seems like a bit of a waste of the property (though not as bad as the home depot proposal). Like you said, the developer will likely sell the site to someone else when it benefits him... I don't think this is a bad thing. It's certainly better than having a sparsely used mill that's more or less architecturally insignificant (these mills are not like the like the buildings dotting the Whaling District) sit on some of the city's most valuable land while people quibble about whether or not to save it. This spot is HIGHLY visible. New Bedford may be a low socio-economic city, but that stretch of 195 is the link from every point south to Cape Cod and primary road for all of the middle income and moderately well off communities in the area (Marion, Mattapoisett, Fairhaven, Dartmouth, etc). A mixed use development (mid and upscale retail, office AND a residential component) could do exceedingly well in this spot as it would be a destination for passerby tourists AND locals alike. It just needs to be a bit better thought out than the current proposal which is crap.

Like you said, this site has garnered interest for the better part of the last decade. With an actual listing and some infrastructure improvements as well as the demolition of the mill building itself, this site will arguably be the most sought after in the city. Dickenson (the current developer) can make a profit and the city can get something that works well for the neighborhood and the city as a whole. I see no problem with demolishing the mill and selling it. It's not a big loss.

I still think the mill needs to go. The state (as of today's news) is about to invest $2.5 million to build new ramps to/from 195 and a new road to connect the ramps and Coggeshall St to Sawyer and the mill (quite literally) stands in the way of that. Given what improved infrastructure can do for that area, the mill needs to come down. With new roads and ramps and a highly visible open spot, a spot that has been in demand will only be more so. The location has been attractive for years, but developers have been turned off by the high cost to develop the mill and fix the roads and ramps as well as opposition to demolition and an administration that wasn't business friendly. If those issues are taken care of, the value of this waterfront site will rise even higher.

On another note, the number of "places to stay" is REALLY limited in New Bedford. It needs a real name-brand hotel in the center of the city if it EVER hopes to establish itself as even a moderately reputable destination. Bed and Breakfasts are fun and all, but nothing creates life and activity on a street like a well-placed couple hundred room hotel. Furthermore, people looking for accommodations on orbitz or other similar sites don't come across the quaint B&Bs, they come across the Hampton and Days Inns in relatively inconvenient and unattractive locations outside the city center. The proposed hotel is adjacent to the ferry terminals as well as the waterfront and downtown which makes it ideal for those who are just heading to the islands as well as those who are staying in town for a night or two. Commuter rail to downtown will be icing on the cake. When people can get from Boston to the Martha's Vinyard Ferry without a vehicle, you better bet that New Bedford will benefit from some of that traffic. The hope is that some of those "passers by" will eventually turn into people staying a night or two (the idea of a "regional" stay rather than just a "city stay" is what I discuss below).

New Bedford has more than a days worth of activities to do. Like many similarly sized cities that are popular tourist destinations, it may not have enough (because of size) to keep one occupied for a week within the city limits, but it's got plenty for a weekend (especially the weekend of a festival or concert or other special event). Having lived in Portland, ME I see New Bedford having a similar interaction with tourists (already to an extent, more so with improvement). They can enjoy the shops, galleries, bars and restaurants (New Bedfords dining and nightlife scene keeps getting better) along the cobbled streets for a day or so, maybe visit a museum or two (three or four even? New Bedford has enough museums), tour a historic home, etc. THAT, in small cities like this, is one or two day's activity (while in Boston it could easily be a week). However, that's where the REGION helps. Portland has Peak's Island and beaches in the area that occupy other days. There are even small water parks and other day trips available. New Bedford already has a similar set up. Cuttyhunk and Martha's Vinyard offer day trips by ferry for people staying in New Bedford (as does Nantucket by a cheap Cape Air flight) and the multitude of Beaches in the area are a draw as well (just like Portland's). Then you have the forts (Tabor, Phoenix, etc), The BP Zoo, Plymouth, Battleship Cove/ Fall River, Providence, and other things that are within a quick drive from NB. Like Portland, it has enough self contained activities to keep one occupied for a day or two, but also like Portland, it's a good jumping off point for the rest of the region. New Bedford will act as a solid home base for people visiting the region. Enough to entertain for a while, but an excellent place to center a trip to the region.

I also agree that the leadership has been a problem. I think Mayor Lang has made some good progress, but the city council and other entities have really hindered progress (i.e. the Victoria Mills debacle). They are making progress and people like Matthew Morrisey, Mayor Lang, and a number of others have really worked hard to make progress (and it does show quite a bit). Downtown is by far the biggest success. It's become known quickly as a destination that people want to go to and businesses want to locate. This is in part due to expedited permitting and many tax incentives, but also due to the focus on this area by NBEDC and 501_3cs like Downtown New Bedford Inc and A.H.A. New Bedford.

New Bedford is a work in progress with a long way to go. However, it's made strides in recent years. We'll see how this all turns out. There's no way a strip mall is going it an Fairhaven Mills, though... not at all.
 
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Thank you so much LrFox for that posting. New Bedford is like my second home, after Providence. I practiculy lived half-year round in New Bedford and Lincoln Park. LOL. Nice to see NB rebounding after soo many terrible years of decline. I just may book a room in the new Fairfield Hotel to check things out when they open. Ha
 
LrFox,

I live in downtown New Bedford and have a business here. I've worked for urban planning firms.

I love NB dearly but did have to laugh at your description of it. My place is right on the 1/4 mile of cobblestones. Even my visitors don't find enough to do for more than 2 hours here unless I take them to the zoo. Also, the tourism office here refuses to market New Bedford with its region. So people would rather stay somewhere that does not have a reputation for shootings (although in my time here, I've only seen one robbery).

It's important to not buy what you read in the newspaper, especially press releases from the mayor's office. Unless you live here, you don't see the complex politics of what happens here. Local leadership has done very little to enhance the visitor experience, yet they expect to get millions and millions in state and federal aid.

Fairhaven Mill: This building and the surrounding site has never been marketed. (I used to do that for a living.) The most recent owner (before the current developer) had a medical interest lined up, as well as two great stores in there in addition to the antiques market (which was always busier than the Whaling Museum). Then the Home Depot developer waved $4 million at him and all market activity stopped.

Fairhaven Mill is not in disrepair. The back end is partly demolished, but that is easily picked off. This is an interesting building with great scale and massing that can be seen from way down Rt 195. You won't be able to say that about the McMall that will be built there. And really what is proposed for that site is a 1980s-style strip mall. Even its supporters concede that. (Take a look at what Dover, NH negotiated with the same developer for a similar site, and you see what stubborn parochialism reigns here. They REFUSE to do research.) There is no mixed-use building truly sketched out for that project. There are no tenants lined up except a grocery store, tentatively. The grocery store could have gone in there with the mill still standing.
That whole site could easily have been largely medical services (lots of interest) with a grocery store and complementary businesses.
Wamsutta Mills on the other hand, is a nice rehab project for the city, but very small uninteresting spaces start at $1800....we laughed when we toured it. There is no connection to the downtown and its street life. Lowell's rehab'd mills are a much better deal, I hate to say.

Hotel: Again, I live here and host guests. I also know have to put up people at hotels every month. And I have lived in true tourist towns such as Concord. A hotel in New Bedford is not going to change anything--especially the one proposed (Fairfield Inn--can you say "highway pit stop"?) with no restaurant, banquet or function rooms for weddings and other occasions. It is going to ruin the waterfront's potential. We already have 4 B&Bs, a major hotel in town and two hotels just over the bridge within site of our tourist draws. A failed hotel is just across the street from this site.
Very little is done to improve the tourism experience here in obvious ways. People come here for the museum then don't know where else to go. Few restaurants are open nearby (really just one). Tourists don't know about the Underground Railroad Tour because it's only occasionally offered. They don't know about the Fire Museum (often not open) or the Buttonwood Park Zoo or Fort Taber and nearby beaches, nor are there signs to these places from downtown. Most of the new establishments in town are bars, which is now causing some resident ire (myself, I don't mind). Cork and the Waterfront Grille are the only exceptions.
I lived in Concord, Mass. which has a robust tourism scene, yet could not support more than two small inns. And that's all we need in NB: a small inn for visitors. Note the B&Bs, which are advertised, are often vacant. So what we really need is a setting for weddings and wedding receptions, parties, etc.

Alas, NB is not like Portland. Portland is the gateway city to Maine. NB is not a gateway city.

New Bedford is a brilliant city. Where else can you see the true working waterfront and watch a variety of fishing boats, yachts, and tugs up close? And a 19th century swing bridge. The real question is why Gloucester is still such a draw compared to New Bedford. NB could trump Gloucester, but its leadership (and I don't mean city council) has to stop hindering the real thing. The people who've made a difference here are the small business owners and young people.
 
ecowaters, good post and you make some very valid points.

You're right that I've never lived in New Bedford. I guess that I'd have to to experience the real politics of it on a daily basis. However, An immediate family member of mine works directly with the mayor and the rest of the usual suspects so I've spent a good deal of face time with Mr. Lang, Mr. Morrissey and some of the other characters. I'm willing to bet this is why my view may be a bit rosier than the average resident's (because I hear the B.S. first hand yet don't live the failures daily). I grew up and spent the bulk of my life in Freetown (I've lived in Providence, Washington D.C. and Portland Maine and now reside in Boston as of about 2 months ago) and have family that still resides there. That being said, I'm not sure I agree 100% with all that you say.

I'll start with downtown. I am with you 100% on the lack of promotion on a local level. This is a huge mistake. Many people in the area don't know what type of asset they have in New Bedford and disregard it. In any real tourist destination, this isn't the case. In that regard, New Bedford has work to do. It should capitalize on it's region (the beaches, vineyards, forest, rivers, lakes, etc) and make itself appear to be the focal point of the Southcoast (which it really is with all due respect to Fall River). It's failed, so far, to accomplish that. I've met (educated) people in other parts of Mass who haven't even heard of New Bedford with the exception of the occasional shooting or other negative press.

I disagree, however, with the notion that there's nothing to do for more than 2 hours downtown. I think you'd have to be VERY selective to not find anything to do in Downtown New Bedford for a day or two. The Whaling Museum, Art Museum, and Ocean Explorium (which opens in full capacity within a month and has been VERY highly regarded so far) provide great anchor attractions. You can kill a few hours enjoying each. There are a significant number of art galleries downtown too. New Bedford could use some more varied shops, but there are some decent clothing boutiques, consignment shops, gift shops, etc that offer browsing options. You have plenty of restaurants (the more the merrier, though) downtown and now, a pretty good number of decent bars (I'd still love to see the National Club converted into something nicer). This doesn't include walking around and taking in the architecture of Downtown and the surrounds as well as checking out the fishing fleet as well as the Ernestina. There are also harbor tours available. I find it no less attractive and entertaining than most small city downtown areas in New England and FAR more appealing than many.

On the side-topic of bars being a popular new business in New Bedford, I'm glad you don't mind. Quite frankly, if it's the right type of place (which I think places like Pour Farm, Rose Alley, and Hibernia are), it can be an EXCELLENT addition to the city. The new places in New Bedford draw the right crowds and they bring people downtown after work hours which is a good thing. I'd like to see the National Club be replaced though.

One disappointment I have is (as you mentioned) signage and direction for visitors. I think one reason visitors may have trouble finding places to go is because they're poorly marked. If you travel to a Portland, ME or a Portsmouth NH, there are very visible signs EVERYWHERE telling you where to go and what's where. New Bedford has very few of these (in fact, I can only think of the one on the corner of 18 and elm near Candleworks). Because of that, I can see why people would be unsure of what to do with themselves. To take this point even further, businesses could do a better job with signage. There has been improvement in the past few years, but it still has a ways to go. Some nice carved wooden hanging signs or banners can really do a great job at drawing people in. Elaine with her Black Whale has always done this well, and places like Cork, Rose Alley, Travessia and Art Works! are also impressive with this. It's too hard to find many other businesses and as a result, many are avoided as people don't know they exist (Destination Soups and Brick are two that stand out in my mind as not having good signage).

Now, we're on different pages with the waterfront hotel. I see your point about there being B&Bs as well as other nearby hotels. There's no doubt that you're correct in that regard. But while B&B's fill a nice little niche, they're not as accessible to the masses and attractive as a brand name hotel. The Fairfield Inn & Suites may not be wonderful (it's certainly not horrible), but what can you expect in a city that hasn't hotel downtown in decades?! The W? They need to start somewhere and I feel this option is as good as any. It's a mid-scale hotel that's known and respected as a mid-scale hotel AND it's downtown.

The location is perfect. I dislike the fact that there's no conference/events center (that could be changed if demand is there) but it's likely because the developer already owns two in the area (Whites and Rachel's) and doesn't want direct competition with his own facilities. It's also not a detriment to the waterfront's potential. The city has VAST amounts of space to build upon along the waterfront... this is but a fraction of it. In fact, the design isn't bad at all. It looks similar to a granite/wood version of the Whaling Museum and incorporates an existing historic building. Hardly cookie-cutter and well located. You say there is only one area restaurant, that's not true either. Yes, the Waterfront Grille (which is excellent, by the way) is right across the street. However, you're within EASY walking distance (through the nicest part of the city, mind you) to the Catwalk, Cork, Rose Alley, Candleworks, Cafe Balena, The Spicey Lime, Freestones, Brick, Destination Soups, etc, etc, etc. There are really no shortage of good dining options nearby.

After reading your post I'm inclined to ask, what is your issue with the hotel and what do you expect? New Bedford is a city loaded with potential but is far from reaching it at the moment. We can't expect a top tier hotel in town with no precedent for it. This is a good start for a waterfront hotel downtown. You say that there are hotels across the bridge in Fairhaven and a "big name" hotel in town already (I hope you don't mean the Days Inn on Hathaway) and that's all fine and good, but they don't put anyone within walking distance of downtown like the Fairfield will. If downtown is going to thrive, it needs that foot traffic at all times (not just 9-5 mon-fri like it is now). This is a step in the right direction and I just can't see it as a bad thing.

I like the Lofts at Wamsutta too. I'm curious though, where did you get your price figure of $1800? I'd laugh if that's what they were as well. When I toured the complex, I was told prices started between $800 and $1,000 for 1 and 2 bedroom units (nice little units, by the way). A quick google search yielded results that confirmed what I remembered hearing ( http://www.apartmentguide.com/apart...ew-Bedford/The-Lofts-at-Wamsutta-Place/82402/ ) --- that a 1 bedroom starts at $850 and a 2 bedroom goes for $995. Those may be a little high considering the location and that it's difficult to reach downtown from there, but not NEARLY as bad as the $1800 you suggested. The amenities (pool, fitness center, and small gallery) are quite nice too. The New Bedford Antiques Center has been relocated from Fairhaven Mills to a building on the Wamsutta complex too and in my opinion is better than before.

I don't disagree that the Fairhaven Mills demolition is sad. In a perfect world it would be preserved and reused. It is, however, in rough shape. It may not be in COMPLETE disrepair, but it's far from being an easy fixer-upper. I walked the site not more than 3 weeks ago and that really confirmed to me that it should be demolished. I don't know why you feel the scale is good. When walking around it, it felt hulking and stood in STARK contrast to the surrounding neighborhood (not in a good way). It may be noticeable from I-195, but it looks to be in rough shape to anyone driving by and would hardly scream, "stop here!" to passersby without extensive work. It would cost any developer a prohibitive amount of money to renovate and I can't see someone forking over that money in the near future. The McMall is by no means a wonderful solution (but you have to admit, it's better than a Home Depot), but it will make use of a site with mixed-use construction that would otherwise site empty with a rotting building. A grocery store is a good addition to the area and I'm curious to see what other tenants will locate there (I'm not surprised there are no tenants locked up given the controversy surrounding the building AND the economy) in the future. Finally, if the site DOES prove to be as valuable as we all hope it is, it'll be easier to renovate/redevelop a strip mall than it has been to destroy the nearly-vacant old mill (again, that antiques places is thriving in a new location). I'd rather see some good economic use take place there now with the possibility of replacement in the future than have people argue back and forth about whether or not a crumbling mill is worth saving AND the site is as valuable as we're told it is.

Finally, I don't think New Bedford is comparable to Portland NOW, but rather has the potential to be in the future. New Bedford IS a gateway city. It's the gateway from points South to Cape Cod and the Islands. It's also the centerpiece of the South Coast and all that region has to offer. When it's promoted as such, we will see a large increase in it's reputation and appeal. New Bedford has a comparable sized downtown to Portland and is equally architecturally significant (if not even more so). I spent 4 years living in Portland an was able to draw new comparisons every day. Portland has mastered the art of tourism (in fact, it's the city's leading business) and New Bedford is light years behind. There's no question though, that with work, New Bedford can be comparable. It does blow my mind that Gloucester gets more of the tourism. It's probably just as much because of NB's reputation for crime as it is the lack of good promoting for the city.

The small business owners and young people are what will make New Bedford great. They're the ones who take pride in the city and they will be the ones to put it back on the map.
 
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That last post got a little long-winded. Onto what I intended to post today--

Ok, I promised in the Providence thread that I would swing by New Bedford and Fall River and take some photos of construction in both cities. I made it into New Bedford, but because of time constraints didn't make it to Fall River. Maybe I'll take 24 down through Fall River on Friday before heading to Providence and snap some shots of the new courthouse downtown.

The demolition of the Fairhaven Mills building officially began today ( article here: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090616/NEWS/906160317 ). I was going to drive by and take pictures, but they hadn't really done much except remove some of the old windows (which as one comment in the Standard Times article noted, REALLY made it look better... a little ironic). So I didn't stop and take any photos. There is a photo in the article linked above.

I did get over to the Hotel site on the Waterfront and got a few shots of the progress being made there. There were a few workers on hand, but it doesn't look like TOO much progress has been made since groundbreaking a month ago.

Here are the pictures:


The building with the boards on the left of the photos is the old Whale Oil Factory that will be used in part of the hotel.


Don't know what happened to this picture, but I would LOVE to see those tracks re-used for a small, North-South street car again... *sigh* if only.




And as a bonus, the beautifully restored Bourne Counting House right across from the hotel site:


And an extra (a "bonus" bonus?) bonus, the Schooner Ernestina (State Ship of Massachusetts) docked in New Bedford (taken in true Boston02124 fashion):
 
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LrFox:

I was just telling my friend about your post and we both agreed you must be a friend of C or L (or maybe Bill but I doubt it) in the mayor's office, since no one else would state what you reported, especially the city council part!

Be sure to pass along what you say about tourism to L-- or C---, since their boss is the tourism director's supervisor, and the downtown population thinks there should be obvious improvements or that job eliminated. (Actually, if we had a highly effective Chamber of Commerce, they would be doing that job as in other towns.)

The Ocean Explorium: Again, you're reading but not visiting. The Ocean Explorium is based on good intentions, but it is ultimately a UMassD grant scoop (using $350k of EPA money that was supposed to be used for toxics-reduction environmental education for NB, which, by the way, is a city with toxicity issues) that does not truly engage with the community and still looks like a bank lobby with a big blue cube in the middle (Science on a Sphere---what our EPA $350k paid for) (Note to UMassD: our toxic city needed that $350k more than an expensive spherical projection screen showing the effects of global warming in 100 years). The "for lease" sign on it is larger than the 5'x3' sign that states it is the Ocean Explorium. Few local residents know what it is. No locals were asked to be on its board. And we already have SeaLab and another program doing much the same work. Our federal tax dollars at work....

The Art Museum has a wooden sign with letters from the hardware store (a much better sign is indoors). I lived 3 blocks away for a year before I realized what it was. I'm not sure when it's open. Recently it had a cool Audubon exhibit. But visitors to the city wouldn't know that.
Really, you need ESP to know what's going on in NB unless you do a lot of research.

The residents unhappy with the new bars are unhappy with the rowdiness of the 20-somethings late into the night. Again, that doesn't bother me.

I have worked in 3 rehab'd mills, all of which started in worse shape than Fairhaven Mill. One of them is the famous mill in Maynard where DEC helped spark the "Massachusetts Miracle" in the 1970s. And a local developer says the stated cost to rehab Fairhaven Mill is oddly high. The mill is in good basic shape. People forget they should compare the mill rehab with new construction and its permitting---much much more expensive.

Wamsutta: If apartments are now starting at $800-$1,000, that's because they were so hilariously high as of December. 'Good to hear they are now more in line with the local rental market. (Earth to NB developers: This isn't Boston.)

You are using the plural a bit liberally when noting the galleries here. There are four-ish(Moniz, Gallery X when open, White Knight, Colo Colo, new Navia and one that has a different name every year), 2 of which qualify more as gift/craft shops. Three galleries went out of business in the past 3 years. But it's OK.
Restaurants: Freestone's, No Problemo, Brick, Cork, Catwalk. Two of those are new. There are also 4 lunch places frequented by the social service crowd. On Sundays, nearly everything is closed. Guess what is the second busiest tourist day?

NB isn't a gateway city. You can easily bypass it if traveling from NJ or Providence to the Cape. Portland is much much larger and is one of only two cities of size in Maine. It's on the train line to Boston. It also offers access to the islands. Our fast ferries to Cuttyhunk and MV are expensive but offer easier parking.

When you start a business here and register it with City Hall, no local business organizations contact you.

The city has a "creative economy" office (like Lowell, Salem, etc.) but can't tell you what a creative economy is.

My point is NOT that NB is a losing proposition. It's that a lot of money is spent on ineffective people (few in City Hall get their jobs with resumes) and programs here, when the organic thing---the 20-something entrepreneurs and others---are the real operatives here and are largely ignored and unsupported by our paid leaders.
Democracy is eroded here, with the mayor taking over civic volunteer groups without understanding how harmful that is. Also, alternative energy opportunities, including copious state funding, are missed because the mayor tells us that "nuclear cold fusion will be on line in five years," so we don't need wind turbines. Plus, he says, "we're on the grid, why do we need these?" I'm not making this up. This got a good laugh at the state environmental office. Then some furrowed brows.

NB's real value proposition is that it's a great scale for a city, has growing community sense (thanks to the cafes and 20-somethings around No Problemo), has an accessible working waterfront (soon to be marred by the Fairfield Inn big-box flophouse), still has affordable boat moorings, has decent restaurants (mostly outside downtown), still has utilitarian shops (you can get things fixed here), a great walk along the hurricane barrier, a good hospital, affordable homes (including grand ones), parks, lots of farms in nearby Westport and Dartmouth, a symphony, a music theater, and a good health clinic.

It can be a good place to live and run a business (bring your own job unless you're a nurse or a dentist). It's an excellent proposition for retirees who don't mind winter and who want to be near boating.

Local leaders don't see what's great about NB because they've been here too long or are here for the wrong reasons (it is said NB is the last bastion of parochialism and rampant political patronage). Unfortunately, the local administration's practice of quashing anything proposed by newcomers (such as new committees, unpaid civic volunteer groups, etc.) is partly what keeps it from blossoming into something nicer.

NB will never be Portland (post-1990) or Seattle, but it could be a decent place to live. As the real estate market correction brings property prices here back down to what they should be, anyone looking for a decent and affordable city with a view of the full range of harbor life should come to New Bedford to check it out. Sit at Green Bean Cafe or Lydia's on a Sunday morning then go for a walk along the hurricane barrier (the rocky seawall---you'll see it at the mouth of the harbor).
 
Once again, I think we're on similar pages (though not QUITE the same). Many of your complaints are the same ones I have. In a nutshell, untapped potential and backwards politics (worse even than in Boston or Providence) are the bane of New Bedford's success. I am no friend of Lang's (or the rest of the bunch)... I just happen to have some personal contacts with him (nothing of "value" though). I doubt anything I could say would have any pull with city hall/ city council (though I don't know that I said anything about city council previously?) though. You see, if you've ever met Lang (and I'm sure you have as a downtown business owner), you'll notice that he has something resembling adult A.D.D. He's all over the place.

the C of C in New Bedford is a joke. Like you've mentioned, the bulk of (positive) attention being brought to New Bedford is a result of some savvy entrepreneurs who have made a conscious effort to be seen and heard (though Lang will gladly pose for the pictures for the press-- did you see the article titled, "A Whale of a City" in the Boston Herald?); not the C of C or tourism office as it should be.

I've visited the Ocean Explorium (twice). It's just the sphere... for now. It's also TERRIBLY marked (for a while the way they advertised made it seem as if it were ON the waterfront... not a good distance up Union like they are in reality). My point was not that it IS a nice attraction it was that it's about to BE a nice attraction. In two weeks a large chunk of additional exhibits are opening (I was able to see them as they neared completion, quite nice) and the place will be better for it. Even after the July 4th "grand opening" they have work to do (and they are doing it, albeit at a snail's pace) to complete the place but judgement can't be placed on the explorium yet. It's too soon. Like many other businesses and attractions in New Bedford it needs to be advertised and marketed (by MUCH more visible signage) a lot better. The same can be said for the Art Museum which right now has a great Contemporary Marine Art exhibit going on, but as you noted, no one would know without looking aggressively for it.

I too share your distaste for the fact that many restaurants (and other businesses) aren't open on Sundays (and many others have limited hours on Saturdays). Again, the city can't expect people to want to head into town on the weekends if there's nowhere to eat or shop. Some of the newer restaurants have understood this, but others still don't see it and remain closed on Sunday (or the entire weekend).

I also both like and dislike that New Bedford's best restaurants are spread throughout the city as opposed to being concentrated downtown. I like it because many of the restaurants give a real neighborhood feel in a comfortable environment. Places like M&C Cafe, Cafe Funchal, Miller's Homeport, the former Adega (Fresca Grille-- http://frescagrill.com/ -- is about to open in its place), etc are all good restaurants in neighborhood locations. It's a nice feeling to go to one of those places. At the same time, the city's downtown should be the hub of dining and most other activity and it isn't because many restaurants are so spread out. If more of them were concentrated downtown, you'd see a lot more activity after hours (probably on Sunday too).

I completely understand the residents' complaint about the new bars and the noise. However, it really is good for the city. Those bars are packed on weekends and not with drug dealing, gang banging low-lifes (they're outside of downtown), but with active college kids and young professionals... many of whom (like myself) are from outside of the city. In fact, New Bedford has in just the past few years made itself on of the top choices for nightlife in the area (it'll never be Newport or Providence, but it's a growing scene). I know you don't have a problem with the bars, but the positive exposure to the city amongst that young group of people that will soon be professionals (or already are) is a VERY good thing. It'll attract more young people to the area (something the administration can't/hasn't done) and shed some positive light on the city to people in the surrounding areas (who quite frankly, think New Bedford is the pit of the earth... well, almost. Fall River is viewed even more negatively in my opinion).

Again, I'm not so sure it's less expensive to renovate an old mill building than it is to demolish and rebuild from scratch. Everything I've seen points in the other direction. You still have to go through an extensive permitting process and depending on the individual building, you have to spend a TON to keep the original structure in tact while building it to code. I've rarely seen a Renovation on an old building (particularly one like the Fairhaven Mill) that was cheaper than demo and building new (they can and WILL use ultra-cheap materials). Maybe I'm just not looking at the right projects.

If Wamsutta was marketing at close to $1800/mo they're out of their minds. Even in Boston $1800 for a 1 bedroom in a location like that is nuts. When you can get a 2 bedroom in New Bedford (a larger one at that) for $500/mo, there's no way you'll pay more than 3x that amount. Speaking of Wamsutta, I've been annoyed with the complete botching of the Victoria Mill renovation (I believe it would have been done by the same guy as Wamsutta). That's another disaster you can chalk up to city council.

There are more than 4 or 5 galleries. You didn't mention ArtWorks! which has exhibits and classes, Centre Street, Mare, Judith Klein, Crowell's or the UMass Dartmouth Gallery. I may be forgetting some, but that's not a BAD selection for a small area. Could there be more? Absolutely, but there are more than just "4ish."

I think my biggest disagreement (some of the others, like number of galleries, could be considered nitpicks) with you is that I think New Bedford is a gateway city of sorts and can be a better one. It just needs to market itself as such. I don't think my comparisons to Portland are invalid. Maybe we're just not talking about the same Portland (Maine). New Bedford is quite a bit bigger than Portland, actually (Portland has 63,000 people in a larger land area than New Bedford which has 95,000). New Bedford looks and feels a good deal larger than Portland. Portland has some more suburban retail than NB since it's (as you mentioned) the largest city in the area while New Bedford is close to Boston, Providence, Fall river, etc; but in no way is Portland, ME the bigger city.

Portland has the advantage in that it is the largest city for a good distance (whereas New Bedford isn't), but that doesn't mean New Bedford isn't a gateway city like Portland. Tourists in Maine can (and do) just as easily pass through Portland to get to the Midcoast, Mountains and Bar Harbor as tourists to Cape Cod and the Islands pass through New Bedford. Good marketing, good business (with heavy emphasis placed on youth entrepreneurs/ local business like New Bedford is starting to do), and good location have pulled some of those tourists into Portland. There's no reason New Bedford can't do the same (of course it'll take time and effort). It's right along the primary route to Cape Cod from points South, and it has great ferry access to the islands. It doesn't have the train (I'm not counting on the commuter rail to NB, but Portland won't have rail after September either unless they get funding by the end of the month). It's the primary city for the beautiful region of the South Coast. It may not be marketed as a gateway city, but it really is and it can be even better at it.

I'm not looking at New Bedford to be Seattle (not even close to a fair comparison), but it can follow a lot of Portland, ME's lead. The bar scene, the artistic community, the music (NB's symphony is a LOT better), and the restaurants situated in a nice, old historic NEw England port (with a working waterfront) are what make Portland so successful. Why is it that New Bedford can't do the same (it's got the raw materials). New Bedford's probably a decade or more behind Portland, but there's no reason it can't eventually get there.

I think I'm in total agreement with your last 5 paragraphs (starting at "My point is NOT that NB is a losing proposition...") with the exception of the Portland thing... they have more in common than you may think. There is a BIG problem with local politics (don't think that because I know some of the key players through family that I support them) in New Bedford that has been taking the wind out of the city's sails for far too long. Cities like Portland ME, Portsmouth NH, Salem, Burlington VT, etc all see success because they're progressive politically. New Bedford is REgressive. While I am VERY optimistic about New Bedford's potential, I realize that has to change for that potential to be reached. I do get the sense from your posts that while you do love your city, you may take for granted some of the assets it does have (albeit flawed ones). It's easy to get a bad taste in your mouth when you have to deal with inept leaders day in and day out.
 
I appreciate your thoughts and interesting insights about other cities.

(Just FYI: The Victoria Mill issue was a zoning board of appeals issue, not city council.)

Although I registered my business in New Bedford, Scott Lang is unaware of it and has never asked about it. My many discussions with him were about his bad process. He's ADD because he doesn't read his job description. He is always making decisions and taking on too many tasks that are beyond his authority and sometimes even legally questionable. Some of his work is good and some of it is just competent (still pretty good), and some of it is limited in vision and very underinformed. Scott also seems ADD because he's introverted but thinks he should always be saying something all the time, which leads to some pretty absurd statements. He's better one on one and when he doesn't feel threatened.

NB is a lump under the armpit of Cape Cod. It is actually further south than Providence.
It is not a gateway city but it can be a charming "best kept secret" city. But it needs more people like me and others down here who hang out very visibly downtown and in the two cafes, letting visitors know that we are not afraid of crime. Or perhaps all it needs is more jobs.

The galleries you list aren't galleries, except for Judith Klein which is the one that has switched hands this year. Mare is a photographer, not open to the public. Centre Street lost its two galleries (and Magnan soon), but I did note Colo Colo. Artworks and UMassD are not really promoted much as open to the public nor are open regularly. I don't think we absolutely need more galleries. The arts angle is overemphasized. Most artists have left here because it's no longer cheap to live here. The $500 2BR you refer to is not common anymore. Property taxes are high here.

I don't take for granted NB's assets. I was a big NB cheerleader until I just got pressed down too many times. There is so much more I can write about its dysfunctions. If you visit downtown, you might see some of the work I've done. I have put in my time. What you don't hear about NB is that there are people who came here to give it a try and have left and are leaving. John Magnan, who you see in the Channel 5 Chronicle segment, is leaving because, he says, he wants to be in a city with things to do.

The good press you see about NB recently was generated by a PR firm hired by the city. That's fine. That is the city's job. We've laughed at the inaccurate NY Times article and the very, very nice but not wholly representative Chronicle segment.

Ocean Explorium was UMassD's idea of a consolation prize for not getting an Oceanarium on the waterfront. But UMassD does not understand community-based programming. And this center is outside of its scope (it's Jean McCormick's pet project). The Ocean Explorium was built on $350K of EPA money that was to be used to address more pressing imperatives in the city, such as our contaminated soil and water. The Explorium might seem impressive to you, but what you don't see is it duplicates SeaLab programs and it is taking the place of the environmental programming that is so needed in New Bedford. We already have two or three hands-on marine science programs in the city.

You don't hear much about some recent successes at the NB Business Park (because that's not the work of Matt Morrissey, the mayoral heir apparent Lang is grooming): several new businesses, including clean energy start-ups.

NB would be a great place to start a manufacturing business, since the local population has a record of being reasonably priced and not missing work.

All of this writing reminds me of one essential deficiency here: New Bedford is not welcoming.

It obsesses on silver bullets, yet the NBEDC director can't be bothered to say hello and make small talk with people. The mayor actually does make an effort but doesn't understand that he shouldn't squelch everything I start here just because he owes it as a political favor to someone else.

OK, that's my NB warning to the world. Come here if you are a cold yankee or have a ready-made community here (family or work). Make sure you have a job. Don't pay too much for real estate and rentals. Take part in meetings and civic process. Speak up! (too few do here). And enjoy the view and the fresh scallops.
 
We already have 4 B&Bs, a major hotel in town and two hotels just over the bridge within site of our tourist draws.

Where is this existing 'major hotel in town' ? I've walked all over NB's downtown without finding any hotel.

A failed hotel is just across the street from this site.

Where's this? I also don't recall seeing any closed former hotels.

Finally, what do you all think of Summerfest as a tourist promotion? It certainly got me looking around a city that I had previously ignored.
 
Ron,

RIGHT across the narrow street from the soon-to-be-built Fairfield Soul-less Political Agenda Inn is a lovely granite block building, the Bourne Counting House, with a glass penthouse. This was a hotel with a good fish restaurant in the penthouse (imagine the view). But it did not thrive, and so was sold and turned into offices.

There is a Day's Inn in New Bedford.
Right across the bridge and within sight of the Fairfield Inn McHotel site is a Holiday Inn/Seaport Inn. As you can see, the old Seaport Inn part of it is being rehab'd. The adjacent Holiday Inn was purchased out of bankruptcy recently. I'm told by my guests that it's pretty decent for what it costs. It is walking distance to downtown.
Down the street from this Holiday Inn is the art deco motor inn, the Huddleston Motor Inn, and beyond that is the Hampton Inn.
There are also four nice B&Bs right in downtown.
Past that, in Mattapoisett, on the water, is the Kinsale Inn, which a couple years ago closed its inn rooms.

Summerfest is good for NB, and the attendees like it. It doesn't seem as jam-packed as 4 years ago, but that might be true of many events.
Again, this is not a tourism city.
And who cares anyway? I lived in Concord, a tourism town, and can tell you that tourists are fun, add cachet, and buy ice cream and trickets, but they don't bring jobs and major revenue.
Lowell has as much to see as NB, and no one is obsessing on it as a tourism city. Let's stop assuming that Newport is a thriving business model that must be replicated everywhere.

I forgot to note that the Fairfield Inn's developers received a TIF from the city. As a prominent business development person here noted, TIFs are not for prime waterfront sites.
 
Ron, I just noticed that LrFox posted a photo of the Bourne Counting House, a former hotel, above. Imagine a nice place like that, with a penthouse restaurant and a small cafe at ground level, not doing well as a hotel and you see the issue.
Note that a developer proposed to make the Fairhaven Mill a hotel, but the mayor quashed that plan. Months later we heard about his machinations to get the hotel at this site. When we all heard it was a Fairfield Inn, we were aghast.
 
I like the Bourne Counting House as a hotel. How long ago was it one? I thought it was 30 years ago or more (40?). Needless to say, times have changed a little bit since it was open as a hotel (though I CERTAINLY wouldn't mind seeing it as a hotel again with a restaurant and cafe).

While the concept of the Fairfield Inn is not exactly mouth watering, I see it as more of a positive than a negative. People looking to visit new places most often look for familiarity and a sure bet in hotels. B&Bs are nice, but they are not big and they're not familiar. Not too many families or business travelers stay in B&Bs. The Fairfield Inn isn't a wonderful top-tier brand, but it's more highly regarded than a Days Inn and on par with a Hampton Inn or Holiday Inn. It's an attractive option for a middle-class person looking to check out the city (like you said, NB isn't a tourist destination) or a client needing an overnight spot. It's within walking distance to EVERYTHING downtown. Calling the Holiday Inn in Fairhaven "walking distance" is a BIG stretch. Walking across the Pope's Island Bridge (by a strip club and traffic traveling very quickly on 4 lanes) is not ideal for most people. The Days Inn is a dump and WELL outside the center of the city.

Finally, the hotel may be a chain, but it's not going to be a cookie-cutter Fairfield Inn building. The structure is unique to the location as it incorporates materials that are commonly used in the area and it makes use of a historic building on site. It's cookie cutter in name only which is a VERY good thing. It'll provide 106 decent quality rooms right next to downtown and there is no other hotel that does that currently (even when the Bourne Counting House was a hotel it had to have been tiny).

I know a good number of business owners downtown and you're the only one I've heard complain about the hotel. I think it's a bit of a stretch to hope for something nicer when there is no precedent (except a "failed" hotel) of something nicer in that location. In a city that's really just trying to appeal to tourists in the last decade, I have a hard time expecting something better (and you've already noticed my rather positive outlook on the city) and am frankly surprised the chain selected wasn't worse.

If this hotel sees success, nicer chains (maybe something a bit more boutique?) may gain interest, but they won't venture into uncharted waters (which is really what New Bedford is). I, for one, would LOVE to see that old power plant just a ways south of the hotel site (you know, the one that was supposed to be the aquarium?) be turned into a nice mixed-use project with residential, hotel, office and retail space (probably a pipe-dream). The Fairhaven Mill site could have been a great rehab for the money, but not for a hotel; It's a crappy spot to stay. Like Wamsutta, people would have a hard time getting to downtown from there.

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I've only attended summerfest once. It was nice and many of the people I spoke with were from outside the city. I personally think the Feast of the Blessed Sacrament (not as religious as it sounds) is more entertaining and has nothing to do with downtown ( http://www.portuguesefeast.com/ ). I also enjoy the small working waterfront festival ( http://www.workingwaterfrontfestival.org/ ) in September.

Tourism isn't something New Bedford should try to plug as the city's next primary industry. However, tourists spend money in local businesses and that's never a bad thing. Tourism should never be considered the salvation of the city, but it can be a nice compliment to a hard-working port and fishing industry.

Personally, I'd rather see an emphasis on trying to bring educated people to the area with more white-collar work. People leave New Bedford for greener pastures in Boston, Providence, New York, etc. New Bedford won't ever break out of its rut unless it finds a way to retain educated people. Nearly everyone I grew up with in the area who has a degree has moved to Boston or elsewhere (hell, I moved after I got my degree).
 
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Hi. It was more recent than 30-40 years ago that Bourne was a hotel. I appreciate that your young friend in the mayor's office might not remember it, but it was there.

Remember that up 'til the '80s, there was more local travel. Now, visitation to Concord and Lowell is down. Mystic Seaport is in financial trouble because visitation is way down (and despite two casinos in the region). Local shopkeepers in NB tell me that tourism is way down here, more every year. The trend for domestic travel is going the other way.

The Bourne Counting House was recently for sale and was sold to a company late last year as a tax shelter for a decent price. So it could have been purchased by the LaFrance Hospitality Group and made into hotel and/or banquet rooms.

The Fairfield Inn will incorporate the stone building if possible (the mayor refused to allow creation of an architectural review committee for the waterfront). However, have you seen the artist's rendering of the finished product? Typical big box Fairfield Inn. What's weird is that it will not have enough parking, so it is going to use parking spaces across the street. That parking lot is nearly always full right now.
I would support the hotel if there was going to house function rooms and banquet facilities, because that would make all the difference. But there won't be.

What's lost in a Fairfield Inn (besides optimal profit to the developer and the city) is New Bedford's provenance: Its story and its unique value proposition. Its special-ness. The sort of people who would visit NB to see the last of the working waterfront don't want to stay at a bland Fairfield Inn. We can do better and generate more profits and assets in the process.

The former N-Star facility you refer to is across the street from the Fairfield Inn site. it was purchased by Sprague. Remember that our waterfront is designated working waterfront. That site would be a great biofuels depot. I had a potential contract for 500,000 gallons of biodiesel lined up for one of the private islands, but Sprague wasn't interested. Weird. A city likely makes more money with seaport industry than with sales of trinkets and ice cream cones. There aren't many businesses downtown compared to Portsmouth or Newburyport. The real industry downtown is social services, professional and legal, (two courts here). That's why everything is open 9-5 weekdays, then closed.

"If you build it, they will come" just isn't a valid principle. Nor is "any development is better than nothing." (We have a big new empty mall complex near the south end to prove that.) And "New Bedford doesn't deserve top-tier businesses" is a self-fulfilling prophesy.

There is not enough market share here for 106 rooms. Fairfield Inns are about highway pit stops. It would make more sense to have one at the Fairhaven Mill site...which is on a highway (and the waterfront and next to Ashley Boulevard's shops). In fact, that was proposed and subsequently recommended by the advisory group set up to advise the mayor on which proposal to choose for the Mill site. But the mayor did a back-door deal with another developer so that wouldn't happen.

Local business owners support A hotel, but not a crappy big box that will mar our waterfront and spoil its chance to provide a unique and high-value experience that reveals a taste of a 19th- and 20th-century working waterfront.

We are going to need working ports in the future, and NB can serve that purpose (it's a fish processing and refrigeration port now). That angle needs to be exploited more and it perhaps is by the port director.

LfFox, I'm an educated person who brought her white-collar creative economy business here. Did the mayor, etc., ever ask about my business or support my efforts to create civic volunteer groups of the sort in which I took part in other cities? No. In fact, they let me know that only Scott Lang or local politically connected people can do that. No one here is surprised by this story.

The reason white-collar businesses do not locate here is that the schools have a bad reputation, perhaps because we have a high dropout rate. So executive families do not wish to be here.

I walk across the bridge to Fairhaven every day. It's brilliant. I also had an office near there and spent all hours there. It's not unsafe. There's hardly any activity around the strip club, which is for sale.

LrFox, I'm glad you're upbeat about NB, despite the political inbreeding you also have seen. I recommend attending the APA and Congress for the New Urbanism conferences if you don't already. You'll see great examples of urban renewal in forgotten cities like New Bedford. And you'll hear how it happened. It becomes apparent that New Bedford's lack of forward movement is due to software, not hardware.

That said, it's worth it for visitors to drive through the south end and north end business districts to see the last of the independently owned bakeries, hardware stores, etc. It's like going back in time (try County Street).
 
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I'll spare you another lengthy hotel debate because I think it's safe to say we should agree to disagree.

I like your proposal for the Nstar site. I was unaware of any potential uses for it at the moment which is why the mixed-use proposal came to mind. I too agree that trying to build an economy around tourism is a big risk. If they can put it to industrial use, I'd fully support it. I read a lot about short-sea-shipping that sounded appealing for New Bedford, but have heard little since. New Bedford is and always will be a city that survives on industry (whaling, textiles, manufacturing, fishing, etc) and I'd hate to see a possible industrial or commercial use be trumped in favor of a tourist trap. That doesn't mean tourism can't be a part of the city's economy (the more diverse the economy is, the better).

I fully agree with your comment about the problems being a result of the "software, not the hardware." I'm hopeful that that can change, but I'm certainly not holding my breath. New Bedford is, and has been for some time, all about untapped potential.

It's funny you mention the North and South Ends. I personally enjoy walking through Acushnet Ave. in the North End. I know it's far from perfect but it's gritty, lively (NOT just from 9-5 mon-fri), and quite unique. It can be a dangerous area on some of those side streets, but the plethora of specialty shops, restaurants (where you're almost more likely to hear Portuguese or Spanish spoken than English), bars, social clubs, etc. are quite a sight. People tend to shy away from this area due to the reputation for crime and the large ethnic populations (not to mention, the ever so annoying presence of teens "cruising the ave" blaring music in their beaters on rims) but I like the area.

The South End (to me) is a bit sadder of a site. Traveling down 18 (which is a constant reminder of urban renewal in and of itself) you're greeted by sprawling housing projects and a vacant (but GORGEOUS) old theater in the Orpheum. I think the area has LOTs of potential, but is far from reaching it (I particularly like the area around Ashley Park along Rivet which could be a true neighborhood center, and Rodney French which has stunning views and a great park in Fort Tabor). It's a really depressing area in my opinion.
 

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