No, they're all gone - those were the last two old Orange Line cars.A coupleof old ones have been carted off. Don't know when any more will go, but as new ones come on line after being tested, we'll see more of the old ones go.They are so old that they were here since Richard Nixon was in office as President of the United States.
New Red and Orange Line Cars
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No. Corection. True, but some of the old Red Line cars have now started being towed off the property. Two of them. As more new Red cars are aquired, just like the Orange line, the old Red Line ones will start to go, starting with the ones that are the most least reliable.
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Not directly related to MBTA, more of a contrast to the procurement process at MBTA and the disastrous CRRC experience, BART is getting TWENTY NEW CARS PER MONTH in their fleet replacement project with Alstom. I don't have the most recent stats for the MBTA Orange/Red orders, but I'm certain it's way, way lower than that.
This 20 car per month pace actually reflects an acceleration from 11 cars per month at the beginning of the contract and has helped the project come in $394 million under budget. Shame on us.
This 20 car per month pace actually reflects an acceleration from 11 cars per month at the beginning of the contract and has helped the project come in $394 million under budget. Shame on us.
Worth noting though that BARTs order is genuinely huge. It's currently at 775 delivered with 305 to go - that's a lot of room for improvements and options exercises. That's proper rate production right there. Whereas in Boston, we paid very little for the CRRC contract given the condition imposed of building in MA. That condition via Patrick really screwed the entire procurement for minimal long term gain in Springfield.
In 2014 we paid CNR (now CRRC) $556m for the initial tranche of 284 vehicles. (152 Orange + 132 Red). The T later executed an option in 2016 for an additional 120 Red line cars for $277m - on a per car basis, that's actually in line with BARTs cost - but bombardier didn't have to build a new factory. That said, that should have ultimately shook out to about the same costs for everyone, regardless of whose name is on the door, but even with the injection of an additional $148M (approximately $111M in 2014 dollars) we're still below the next lowest bid from Hyundai, and still below the Bombardier bid even with the options exercised. At the time, had we awarded that initial 284 car contract to Bombardier, who was definitively the high bidder, it would have cost the MBTA $1080M just for the base order.
In other news fleet news, the numbers on property are apparently 124 OL and 22 RL; a third RL set is set to start running on 8/1, and an additional pair should be delivered by the end of the month. As long as CRRC can maintain a cadence of 6 cars a month or so they should meet their reset target.
In 2014 we paid CNR (now CRRC) $556m for the initial tranche of 284 vehicles. (152 Orange + 132 Red). The T later executed an option in 2016 for an additional 120 Red line cars for $277m - on a per car basis, that's actually in line with BARTs cost - but bombardier didn't have to build a new factory. That said, that should have ultimately shook out to about the same costs for everyone, regardless of whose name is on the door, but even with the injection of an additional $148M (approximately $111M in 2014 dollars) we're still below the next lowest bid from Hyundai, and still below the Bombardier bid even with the options exercised. At the time, had we awarded that initial 284 car contract to Bombardier, who was definitively the high bidder, it would have cost the MBTA $1080M just for the base order.
In other news fleet news, the numbers on property are apparently 124 OL and 22 RL; a third RL set is set to start running on 8/1, and an additional pair should be delivered by the end of the month. As long as CRRC can maintain a cadence of 6 cars a month or so they should meet their reset target.
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