New Red and Orange Line Cars

Stlin said:
Is it known what NETransit's data sources are? Per the MBTA 's July 25th presentation, the OL is 124 on property and RL is 22, so my inclination is that NE transit is lagging somewhat.
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Their sources are a very complex network of connections, observation, and the MBTA's own press releases so it'd make sense they lag a bit behind. I think it's 2 people that are the maintainers of the site
 
The Red Line will be shut down again for friggen track work!! Just why in the hell they just keep on coming back for the same thing over & over & over?!!! This is so exasperating and it makes no sense!!!! :mad: :mad:
 
Koopzilla24 said:
Officially 3 new RL trains active in rush hour today. I haven't looked any other day this week so no idea if this has been ongoing all week.
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Looks like they finally got that red line trainset, that was involved in the medical emergency at South Station in late July, back in service now, if that is correct. Seems like it was put out of service for 3 weeks due to that incident.
 
Does anyone know when the rest of the new Orange Line cars will arrive?
 
Jahvon09 said:
Does anyone know when the rest of the new Orange Line cars will arrive?
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Slowly trickle in through September 2025. In theory that would be about two cars a month from now til then based on current deliveries.
 
2029 is a damn long way off!! I fault the MBTA for not stepping up & putting their foot down for this crap!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
The 2028 and beyond procurement to reach 292 cars - is that to accommodate projected capacity improvements from red line transformation?
 
Jahvon09 said:
2029 is a damn long way off!! I fault the MBTA for not stepping up & putting their foot down for this crap!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Also long with Stlin said, there is no magic bullet. "Stepping up & putting their foot down" is either blowing up the whole deal or that slide you are misreading.

If you're demanding the former, it's demanding trains to come in the 2030s (and I think it's reasonable to speculate the Red Line is not going to have trains to run at some point if we have to wait that long).

There is no moment in this procurement process where it all it took is some simple "just put your foot down" like some kind of "be a man" logic and CRRC would just fall in line. If you were in charge of the MBTA and get to put your "foot down" and could have put it down during the whole past decade or so, where would it have altered this outcome?

This debacle ultimately steps over a decade ago when the state demanded we have to build the trains here in MA. Foot down would have not change the huge advantage that policy gave to the Chinese Companies bids, or have any affect to the losing CSR buying out the winning CNR, or the genuine issues in forming a whole new assembly workforce drawn from a population that have no factory tradition, or the demotivation of CRRC likely felt as global politics means there is no future for CRRC in the US no matter how they performed, or the all the supply chain issue with COVID.

The only "foot down" move that could be viewed as that is just walk away. But again, that action all but mean no Red Line trains until the 2030s. If that's what you're advocating, I can respect that, but it means no new trains for even longer, not magically make the trains faster. The only way for the trains for come faster is the path they choose to do right now instead - and I hope it works.
 
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Stlin said:
My man, read the slide. The slide clearly says that 2029 was without the reset. The OL fleet should be fully delivered by September 2025, RL by 2027.
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That's better. Sorry. My bad. But CRRC has really messed this thing up from the beginning. :eek:
 
bakgwailo said:
Yeah, from the article it sounds like maybe it was not a rolling stock issue but an issue with the third rail (which may or maybe not be new at this point)? Either way being stuck an hour+ and having to walk off the tracks isn't great, nor is service being halted even longer than that.
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Broken joint on the third rail that tore off the third rail shoes on the train when the askew blunt end of the out-of-alignment piece of third rail struck the shoes. Relatively minor in the grand scheme of things (shoes are 'consumables' so the shop can replace the broken ones instantly), but it wouldn't have been possible to pass the point of the break without tearing off more shoes and they would've had to turn off the juice to manually inspect the damage to the shoes before a rescue train could've safely come in, attached, and backed them up. So in the end there was little they could do except turn off the power, evacuate on-site, and swallow a large delay.
 
F-Line to Dudley said:
Broken joint on the third rail that tore off the third rail shoes on the train when the askew blunt end of the out-of-alignment piece of third rail struck the shoes. Relatively minor in the grand scheme of things (shoes are 'consumables' so the shop can replace the broken ones instantly), but it wouldn't have been possible to pass the point of the break without tearing off more shoes and they would've had to turn off the juice to manually inspect the damage to the shoes before a rescue train could've safely come in, attached, and backed them up. So in the end there was little they could do except turn off the power, evacuate on-site, and swallow a large delay.
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This is ridiculous! It seems that the more an atempt is made to fix things, our pops another problem to make the commuters' lives more of a damn headache!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
Jahvon09 said:
This is ridiculous! It seems that the more an atempt is made to fix things, our pops another problem to make the commuters' lives more of a damn headache!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Calm down. Just because all parts of the railway each have a rated "Mean Time Between Failures" doesn't mean that a failure won't happen far apart from the mean time. A rail joint popping out is the epitome of a random event. It can happen on brand new third rail, and not happen on worn out 50-year-old third rail. It's an easy fix to the rail, and it's not unsafe because the designated failure mode for the third rail shoes is to detach and fall off (i.e. not cause further damage) when they hit an obstruction.
 
Here are some of the reasons why SEPTA canceled its train orders from CRRC, as everyone might know. You get what you pay for! Hah!!! :)
 
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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but has anyone noticed that the automated stop announcements on the new Red Line cars are all out of whack? Heading to Harvard from Porter, it announced the next stop as Davis, then Fields Corner, then Central. It never actually said Harvard lol. This happened throughout the entire ride, and I've noticed it a lot on the new RL trains. (Otherwise, the ride was great.)

I don't ride the OL enough to know whether it's happening there too. Maybe it's a RL problem rather than a CRRC car problem?
 
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