New Red and Orange Line Cars

Could a possible reason why the font is so large is so that people with impaired vision can still read the board? I know some videos and ads have added large subtitles and fonts for this very reason.
 
datadyne007 said:
Both the interior and exterior signage marquees appear to be sized for Chinese characters, not Western character sets. Another example of poor oversight from the T with a Chinese manufacturer.
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Not sure I agree, the type 9 GL cars have very large tall exterior destination signs on them and are spanish, not Chinese.

I personally had some vain hope that maybe they would be putting two lines of text on the screen and add some extra information but maybe that is asking for too much.
 
I'd thought that as well but I'm not sure what other information they'd want to include. Destination is one, maybe if a car is out of service, or a "STAND CLEAR" flashing when the doors are closing--but now I'm coming up with things we don't really need in order to justify the size.

I'm with Data here; it's not a real problem per se but it was a design decision and I'm curious about the decision-making process.
 
cadetcarl said:
I'd thought that as well but I'm not sure what other information they'd want to include. Destination is one, maybe if a car is out of service, or a "STAND CLEAR" flashing when the doors are closing--but now I'm coming up with things we don't really need in order to justify the size.

I'm with Data here; it's not a real problem per se but it was a design decision and I'm curious about the decision-making process.
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It would be interesting to use the signs when out of service, or if the MBTA ever decides to bypass stops due to extreme bunching you could sign it on there... Alternatively you could do the traditional "via" signage, "Oak Grove via Downtown Crossing" for those less familiar with the system... At the end of the day I expect they will do neither and just write OAK GROVE but yes I would love to know why...

London Underground trains use three levels of text (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Farringdon_station_MMB_22_S-Stock.jpg) but realistically we have no need to signpost what line it is given the train is bright orange and all the stations it runs to are orange its pretty easy to tell, whereas they use common rolling stock on multiple lines... Commuter rail would benefit from larger destination signs to fit more info like these london ones
 
datadyne007 said:
Both the interior and exterior signage marquees appear to be sized for Chinese characters, not Western character sets. Another example of poor oversight from the T with a Chinese manufacturer.
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Very interesting thought

KentXie said:
Could a possible reason why the font is so large is so that people with impaired vision can still read the board? I know some videos and ads have added large subtitles and fonts for this very reason.
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Id love for this to be the case, but I have yet to find a single transit agency in the US that has given any thought to font size in regards to accessibility. Personal annoyance.
 
No doubt that there are Chinese & other Asian people living here, but did the T forget about the American people?!! One has to wonder! :eek:
 
The orange line actually looks respectable now. For soo long it was always the orange headed step child and just looked cheap and crappy. Not that the others were high quality but they didnt look corny they just looked like beat up but real subway lines. The orange line just came across as a mega turd, looks fine now and actually pretty nice.
 
Don't blame me for getting things wrong!! I already knew that. These cars came from, or are about the come from the plant in Springfield.

The empty shells are sent there from China for assembly of motors, wiring, seats & electronic parts.

Read the post correctly before you start contradicting me. Stop being a damn jerk!!:mad:
 
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Jahvon09 said:
Don't blame me for getting things wrong!! I already new that. These cars came from, or are about the come from the plant in Springfield.

The empty shells are sent there from China for assembly of motors, wiring, seats & electronic parts.

Read the post correctly before you start contradicting me. Stop being a damn jerk!!:mad:
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Sorry but you make consistently poor posts and clearly don't make any effort to check if the information is new or relevant to the thread and then immediately start an argument and play victim when anyone mentions it. Calm down.
 
HelloBostonHi said:
Sorry but you make consistently poor posts and clearly don't make any effort to check if the information is new or relevant to the thread and then immediately start an argument and play victim when anyone mentions it. Calm down.
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I don't wanna hear it!!!! Then don't read them, dammit!! One of my worst pet peeves is inconsiderate idiots that just run their mouths ridiculously. I furnished the links to most of them. I'm not making this up!! You guys are so damn inconsiderate & ungrateful!!

Why do you jerks want to be assholes who just don't give a crap about what I post or start flack about them? You jerks constantly beat
up on me without even bothering to go to the links!! You never stop!! Go grow up somewhere & put a sock in it!! :mad:
 
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HelloBostonHi said:
Sorry but you make consistently poor posts and clearly don't make any effort to check if the information is new or relevant to the thread and then immediately start an argument and play victim when anyone mentions it. Calm down.
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That's not fair. Ease up. He's trying.
 
chmeeee said:
Is this representative of the average intelligence of our lawmakers?

https://wbznewsradio.iheart.com/con...concerned-about-new-mbta-cars-built-in-china/

If so... I am concerned.
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It's not just lawmakers. Lots of supposedly level-headed experts are losing their minds in spy hysteria claiming these things are trojan horses from a Cold War enemy. None can posit WHY a train car of workaday lemmings on their phones and single operators following a more or less world-generic rulebook are so worth a foreign power's time listening to. But they are awfully sure there's some sort of very serious listening going on.

It's ridiculous. The specs for every lugnut and transistor are so immaculately, overwhelmingly documented that it's nigh impossible to slip a spy device into one of these things. Rolling Stock Procurement 101: the buyer gets every last schematic so if the builder goes out of business during the 25-year rated lifespan of the vehicle they can still source replacement pairs, repair, and rebuild the cars. That happens frequently: Pullman-Standard, UTDC, Hawker-Siddeley, and Boeing Vertol all shuttered operations or got their IP swallowed up in mergers during the rated lifespans of fleets the T purchased from them.

Not to mention it's just plain difficult to put a rogue transmitter on a train car that by design has to be extra-fortified from stray electromagnetic interference for the sake of track signal transmission, ASA system picking up trackside RFID tags for the station announcements, operator's radio reception, and in-tunnel cell reception. They test the crap out of the spectrum going in and out of the car.

It's eleventy times easier and more fruitful to backdoor a Chinese-manufactured cell phone and target someone of interest than it is to try to deliver a spy payload in an Orange Line car after all the red tape, all the MBTA eyeballs looking at it, and all the pathetically low odds of finding something of national security interest amidst the daily commuting din.


Seriously...this is like somebody's acid dream nostalgia for mid-1980's Soviet espionage being trotted out for a new generation.
 
F-Line to Dudley said:
It's not just lawmakers. Lots of supposedly level-headed experts are losing their minds in spy hysteria claiming these things are trojan horses from a Cold War enemy. None can posit WHY a train car of workaday lemmings on their phones and single operators following a more or less world-generic rulebook are so worth a foreign power's time listening to. But they are awfully sure there's some sort of very serious listening going on.
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They all seem to forget that they pretty much all carry around a phone made in China 24/7, work on computers manufactured in China, use wifi routers manufactured in China, etc that would all be 10 times easier to bug if they wanted. Its such a bunch of fear mongering media hype I really just can't stand it. And if they did bug a car and somehow managed to successfully transmit data out of it what would they get, a bunch of screeching and a mixture of gossip from everyday americans? No one is making top secret government deals on the Orange Line and if they were then the easiest way to spy on it would be to just sit on the orange line next to them... Hell I could probably mount a listening device on an existing OL train under a seat easier than them trying to bug the new ones.
 
This idiot legislator was just on WBZ-AM. The sticking point for him is that CRRC is government-owned and not one of the very small number of fully private enterprises now being allowed in the country (nevermind there was no such thing as a private Chinese corp. until about 25 years ago).

I suppose this guy has never shit his pants on an Airbus jet knowing the Germans, French, and Spaniards coulda/shoulda/woulda been listening to his every thought. Or ever driven a Volkswagen. Or ever taken Amtrak or mailed a letter for that matter, if he has any delusions that gov't-owned corporations don't exist here in the Land of The Free. :rolleyes:
 
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