New Red and Orange Line Cars

kdmc said:
I don't ride the OL enough to know whether it's happening there too. Maybe it's a RL problem rather than a CRRC car problem?
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I haven't noticed this issue on the Orange Line, but then again, I pay almost no attention whatsoever to the automated announcements. Ride it often enough, you just start to know where your stop is and how many you have to go before you get there.
 
HenryAlan said:
I haven't noticed this issue on the Orange Line, but then again, I pay almost no attention whatsoever to the automated announcements. Ride it often enough, you just start to know where your stop is and how many you have to go before you get there.
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I'm also completely aware of where I am on my regular lines, but hearing "Approaching Fields Corner" when I'm on the northside RL will never not get my attention!
 
I've only caught a new RL train a handful of times, but on my rides the station stop announcements were all correct. It might have just got out of whack - I see on Reddit the advice is to tell the motorperson, as they can reset it, but that seems impractical.
 
Whenever someone posts in this thread I can see it pop up on the homepage under transit and infrastructure, but then it doesnt show up when I go into the transit forum. Anyone know why this could be? I can only go to it by clicking it from the forum homepage or searching. Its annoying… Ive only noticed it with this thread.
 
26 RL cars now:

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Is the pace of OL deliveries slowing and RL deliveries increasing yet, or will that not be until the entire 152 OL are delivered?

Are there new GL cars coming from the same manufacturer as well?
 
okin15 said:
Are there new GL cars coming from the same manufacturer as well?
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No. The Green Line Type 10s are from CAF, the same factory that did the Type 9s and Type 7 rehabs. It's a way better choice and should go much more smoothly.
 
Equilibria said:
No. The Green Line Type 10s are from CAF, the same factory that did the Type 9s and Type 7 rehabs. It's a way better choice and should go much more smoothly.
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Type 7 rebuilds were an Alstom job.

The one gripe with CAF is that they tend to miss delivery deadlines. The Type 9's were a bit late (not CRRC-late, but moderately behind-schedule nonetheless). Their Amtrak Viewliner 2's were ridiculously late. But both makes appear to be very high-quality product after a few years in-service, so in the end quality is probably worth waiting for.
okin15 said:
Is the pace of OL deliveries slowing and RL deliveries increasing yet, or will that not be until the entire 152 OL are delivered?
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The remaining Orange shells were all delivered to Springfield something like a year ago for assembly, way way ahead of the Red shells which were mostly in China. They've prioritized more Red cars lately because they had a building glut in Springfield, but for the most part the Orange cars are going first because they've been in the state so much longer.
 
F-Line to Dudley said:
Type 7 rebuilds were an Alstom job.

The one gripe with CAF is that they tend to miss delivery deadlines. The Type 9's were a bit late (not CRRC-late, but moderately behind-schedule nonetheless). Their Amtrak Viewliner 2's were ridiculously late. But both makes appear to be very high-quality product after a few years in-service, so in the end quality is probably worth waiting for.

The remaining Orange shells were all delivered to Springfield something like a year ago for assembly, way way ahead of the Red shells which were mostly in China. They've prioritized more Red cars lately because they had a building glut in Springfield, but for the most part the Orange cars are going first because they've been in the state so much longer.
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Also, the new Acelas are extremely late going into service because whoever's job it is to modify the catenary wire system either won't do it or is dragging their feet in getting it done. All it takes is the process of tightening the wire so that it won't bounce up & down in certain areas, which causes the new trains to lose power. :(
 
Jahvon09 said:
Also, the new Acelas are extremely late going into service because whoever's job it is to modify the catenary wire system either won't do it or is dragging their feet in getting it done. All it takes is the process of tightening the wire so that it won't bounce up & down in certain areas, which causes the new trains to lose power. :(
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That isn't the reason, at all, for why the Acela II is late. It is seemingly on track now that Alstom was able to clear computer simulations on the NEC earlier this year which took an extremely long time to do.
 
Jahvon09 said:
Also, the new Acelas are extremely late going into service because whoever's job it is to modify the catenary wire system either won't do it or is dragging their feet in getting it done. All it takes is the process of tightening the wire so that it won't bounce up & down in certain areas, which causes the new trains to lose power. :(
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"All it takes"? You realize that installing constant-tension catenary took something like 10 years at 9-figure cost with painfully precise rolling track outages to get rid of the bouncy wire across Metro North's New Haven Line. It's a major, major capital project the Acelas don't have the luxury of waiting for.
 
F-Line to Dudley said:
"All it takes"? You realize that installing constant-tension catenary took something like 10 years at 9-figure cost with painfully precise rolling track outages to get rid of the bouncy wire across Metro North's New Haven Line. It's a major, major capital project the Acelas don't have the luxury of waiting for.
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And there's also the tracks, which have been said to be at or over 100 years old with many curves cutting down on the needed speed to reach 150 mph in some spots.
 
Jahvon09 said:
And there's also the tracks, which have been said to be at or over 100 years old with many curves cutting down on the needed speed to reach 150 mph in some spots.
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That has nothing to do with getting the Acelas on the tracks.

And the Alstom Aveilas have nothing to do with the Red/Orange order or CAF vs. CRRC.
 
So the T is apparently embarking on a limited overhaul of the 1/2/3 legacy RL fleet. Apparently, they're taking the skeptical approach and planning on the legacy fleet being around through 2029, but that's projected to cost ~$95M through FY29. Granted, they might reduce the scope of the CRRC deliveries keep up, and the report document also included the delivery schedule for the CRRC fleet and estimated retirement dates.
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Delvin4519 said:
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I love the gratuitous flag of "CRRC has continued to meet the delivery schedule since October 2023" *

* Delivery schedule extended so many times that we cannot even remember the original due date; so we will now have to refurb old Red Line Cars because they have to stay in service for an extra decade. But "on schedule" since October 2023! Yippee!
 
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