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Patrick
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real urban. real nice. the trail looks like it will go through this. the bayside trail will be real good for this area. supposed to be like the eastern promenade trail. intermed is not in this pic?
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Nice find! Kinda wish the building was taller. From those views it looks stumpy to me. And yes...another parking garage. I got a question to which you guys may know the answer..Is underground parking more expensive than parking garages? Is Portland zoning against underground parking? I know at this site ground water should not be too much of a problem. I think that Portland would do a lot better with underground parking verses all these parking garages! More garages, more wasted space!
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the building on the right is about ten stories (8 floors) tall, which would fit this area well. the parking garage is the nicest looking building in the lot. I thought it was an office building.
and to answer your question, I think the water at this site would be a problem. intermed which is a block from this site, had to have the pilings that support it driven down as far as the building is tall to keep the building stable since the whole back bay neighborhood used to be water, all the way to the park, until it was filled. also, it may be more expensive in general. there are buildings elsewhere in the city that have contemplated it, though.
Should be a nice little building if it turns out like the rendering. I have to say, Intermed and Bayside Student Village have turned out rather disappointing to me. They area along Marginal Way looks more like a typical suburban office park than ever. Bayside Has the stupid mini front yard (see pics on previous page) and Intermed has the tacky pre-cast siding and generic architecture to fit equally in Portland, Scottsdale, Burlington MA, Warwick RI, etc. The newer neighboring offices don't help the the appearance anyway.
On another (more positive) note, the newer Bike lanes throughout the city, (Particularly along Baxter, BLVD, Park Ave, etc) are fantastic. I'd say Portland, Providence, and Cambridge are leading the way in New England in pushing forward with this trend. It's made so much easier for me to get from my Congress Street APT to the USM campus.
On another (more positive) note, the newer Bike lanes throughout the city, (Particularly along Baxter, BLVD, Park Ave, etc) are fantastic. I'd say Portland, Providence, and Cambridge are leading the way in New England in pushing forward with this trend. It's made so much easier for me to get from my Congress Street APT to the USM campus.
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intermed looks real nice coming from downtown. but from coming into the city it does look like a suburban office park. but I guess you would have to have seen bayside before the new stuff came. marginal way was empty. I don;t just mean there wasn't intermed or the student housing. there was no Gorham savings bank or the building next to it, there was no AAA building, there was no gym, there was no DHS building, there was no pearl place, there was nothing in the vicinity of where waterview was supposed to go, the street the gym is on wasn't even there. There wasn't anything.
and the rendering shows three new office buildings.
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I'm thinking that we should never be very optimistic that Bayside will be pretty. I don't expect anything new in Portland to be as good as the Old Port and Arts District. Bayside, like Capital Center in Providence, can be good for new development and doesn't require demolishing existing buildings. Bayside is coming together with dense development that includes important things: so far, student housing (in a city with a big school with no dorms), new office space, and parking--all centrally located and linked to an amazing downtown. Basically, we are getting economic development in an urban form no worse that what is in many American cities and which doesn't fuck up the parts of Portland that are better than many American cities.
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well put.
actually, the old port used to be the armpit of the city, much like bayside is right now. and bayside used to be a thriving working class neighborhood, with tremendous density not unlike the rest of the peninsula. it was, though, classified as a slum and cleared away for the backdoor warehouses that took the place of this once-neighborhood. this arterial street used to be an all Italian neighborhood, and triple deckers lined the streets of eastern park ave all the way to the base of munjoy hill. Back cove used to have piers on it like the waterfront does today.
the economic stimulus is not there to build like the old port was built, but if there is creative reuse of some of the buildings in the area it will have more of that feel.
I stand corrected on the water issue. I thought that this site was at a slightly higher elevation. In the end though having some development is better than none at all! How far along is this proposal?
Any new developments on the Waterview saga? Additional phases on Pearl Street?
Any new developments on the Waterview saga? Additional phases on Pearl Street?
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The deal for that new development in Bayside goes for the city council vote tonight. They almost have to vote yes because if not they are going to lose millions of dollars of federal money that was put aside for the garage part of it. That's probably why the garage looks so big and nice in the pic.
Waterview is dead dead.
Waterview is dead dead.
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Just caught the city council meeting on tv and they voted the project through 8-0.
Very good news.
Very good news.
Good news.
Poor waterview, barely even had a chance.
I recently moved into a condo building close to where it would have been built (see below, big brick building) The area could use a few more brick high-rises I say.
Also, I have a proposal for the public market. It would make a good homeless shelter, at least in the winter until they find a use for it. I feel like everyday I see more homeless folk. Does anyone know how our homeless people per capita rate stacks up against some other cities? I feel like we have a large percentage.
Poor waterview, barely even had a chance.
I recently moved into a condo building close to where it would have been built (see below, big brick building) The area could use a few more brick high-rises I say.
Also, I have a proposal for the public market. It would make a good homeless shelter, at least in the winter until they find a use for it. I feel like everyday I see more homeless folk. Does anyone know how our homeless people per capita rate stacks up against some other cities? I feel like we have a large percentage.
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I hate to compare it like this Corey, but remember when the council banned feeding the pigeons intown? Well, there has been a significant drop in pigeons since then.
All these shelters and handouts for the homeless are bringing them from other areas to Portland. I would guarantee that less than 5% of the homeless here are from Portland to begin with. We've even had Manchester give them one way tickets to Portland.
You could almost say that these people are putting the homeless people's lives in jeopardy because they are bringing them up here to a colder climate.
All these shelters and handouts for the homeless are bringing them from other areas to Portland. I would guarantee that less than 5% of the homeless here are from Portland to begin with. We've even had Manchester give them one way tickets to Portland.
You could almost say that these people are putting the homeless people's lives in jeopardy because they are bringing them up here to a colder climate.
I have noticed a lot less pigeons than there used to be. I kind of miss them.
Some roadwork on Preble St, maybe adding bike lanes? I like the adding of a median in the middle.
That new place over by Ocean Gateway...
And next door...
Some roadwork on Preble St, maybe adding bike lanes? I like the adding of a median in the middle.
That new place over by Ocean Gateway...
And next door...
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Corey, what time of day did you take that last pic? I pretty sure I see my grey Nissan Altima in the spot I usually park in when I take my kid for a walk down there. Too funny.
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do you have any other photos of the new hotel on the eastern waterfront
that is nice looking
that is nice looking
I don't have any pictures on me, but I can say that it is pretty big as far as its footprint and in general it looks pleasing to the eye. It will be interesting to see how these higher-end developments near Ocean Gateway blend into the very working class neighborhood surrounding it.
Here is an unrelated photo from Payson Park, with the student housing and interment looking pretty good in the skyline.
Here is an unrelated photo from Payson Park, with the student housing and interment looking pretty good in the skyline.
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Those Bayco pics are the United Way/Parking Garage location. You can tell because the garage is exactly the same as the United Way one. Perhaps that's a sketch of the United Way proposal or just a mock up of what they wanted there.
