Portland, ME - New Construction Continued

given its size and location portland is one of the best cities in america. other cites its size in new england (manchester lawrence etc) are dumps. framingham isn't even a city but has same population. other cities are as nice and some might be better but portland has a lot it does well. the dinning scene is not overhyped. neither are the other accolades portland gets. it could improve but it has cleaned up a lot of the scuz nightcrowds and brought in a much nicer crowd of tourists. an aquarium would be nice but it would have to be on the waterfront which is zoned non commercial. and what is there to do in other cities portland's size, look at mills

You clearly have a lot of animosity towards any New England city that isn't Portland. I'm not trying to say Portland sucks. FARRRR from it. Portland does anything but suck. It's a great little city. While I don't love it, and don't plan to stay in Portland, it doesn't mean I think it's a bad city... I simply think it gets a bit more hype than it deserves in some ways because comparisons by many Portlanders to other cities are far from being in perspective.

Portland is one of the better cities ITS SIZE (those being the key words there) in the U.S. but that hardly makes other cities dumps. There's a lot to do in Manchester. Manchester is a nice city and one that's redeveloping very well. There's a lot to do in Lowell, New Bedford, etc besides "looking at mills." Portland certainly has advantages over those cities right now (particularly in terms of crime), but I doubt as many as you think. While many New England cities have problems there are a lot of redeeming qualities in almost every one of them (I can think of a few that I have a hard time finding redeeming qualities for... namely Fall River and Brockton).

Furthermore, Newport RI has better nightlife and dining than Portland hands down and it's about 1/3 the size of Portland. Porstmouth's nightlife is almost identical with Portland's and it's about 1/3 the size of Portland. While you argue that Burlington is a "town" it offers a LOT for the tourists to do in terms of nightlife and dining as well as other activities.

It's also funny what people like you in Portland consider to be a city, "their size." I really get the impression that many Portlanders (but not all, people like grittys457 and Corey seem to get it as do many others) feel Portland is much larger than it is as long as its convenient and favorable to Portland in comparison. If it's not, then they'll quickly say, "oh but it's so much bigger so you can't compare it." This is particularly noticeable when people throw out stuff like, "Portland is great at _______ for a city it's size." What they don't realize is just how small it is. Are you aware that only 3 states don't have a city larger than Portland (Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming).

I think Portland performs as expected for its size in almost every way (which again makes it a nice city). It's arts scene is good, but not better than a typical city of under 100,000 (satellite cities of major cities excluded since their cultural needs are fulfilled nearby but outside the city... see Pawtucket, Lynn, etc). I'm not trying to put down Portland's achievements which are fantastic and deserve praise, especially since it was a ghost town only about 15 years ago. It deserves credit for a revitalization and it IS getting credit for that revitalization (and then some). It's a model for success in that regard, but a model that many places are currently successfully following.

The reason I say the dining scene is overhyped is because everyone in Portland is quick to say that Portland, "has restaurants that can rival any city's restaurants" but then they're quick to add, "don't compare it to Boston, Providence [etc] because it can't compete" To put it bluntly, the BEST restaurant in Portland wouldn't be one of the top in Boston or Providence (and some other New England cities). Heck, the best restaurant (in terms of "accolades") is about 30 miles down the coast from Portland in York Beach (Lydia Shire's Blue Sky on York Beach). Maybe it's just me, but when people say it can compete with, "any city" in some regard, I don't think it's wrong to compare it with any city (Boston, Providence, etc are cites and therefore included in "any city"). The fact of the matter is, Portland's scene is good for a city of its size (i.e. 63,000- 250,000 metro), but it still isn't as good as most of the larger cites and when people say it is, that's "over-hyping" it.

Portland has some good restaurants given its small stature, but they do get more attention than they deserve. For example, "Hugo's" head chef Rob has connections all over the food world in the U.S. many professional chefs that (in Portland and elsewhere) I know say that he is single-handedly responsible for putting the spotlight on Portland. He is also part of the reason Andrew Zimmerman visited Portland (that and his father lives there) for the travel channel.

Dining is all about nepotism and connections... because of Rob and a few others, Portland has positioned itself well. What you don't see is that many cities (yes, even the "dumps" you mentioned) are right on Portland's heels. Lowell has places like Cobblestones and La Boniche that are as good as anything you'll find in Portland (no, no exceptions) yet the head chef may not have the connections that garner the national attention that Portland does. New Bedford has the Waterfront Grill (Best seafood I've had outside of Boston or New York City), Adega, Cafe Balena and others that are in the same boat as Fore Street, Hugo's, Back Bay Grille, etc. Portsmouth and Newport have places that could rival anything you'll find in the Old Port. Again, the big difference is that 1) these cities don't have the connections that a certain few do in Portland and 2) They have a poor reputation in other regards (that many of them have earned in certain ways) and lie in the shadows of Boston (and Providence if they're close enough), though Fall River caught a break when it was shown and mentioned for its excellent Portuguese food on Anthony Bourdain's "No Reservations" show on the Travel Channel (it's worth noting that Bourdain started his career as a chef in the area, so it's another example of nepotism). If you don't believe me, get out and experience them (I doubt you will because you clearly have preconceived notions) for yourself.

I'm not saying Portland isn't better off than Lowell or New Bedford because, overall, it is. Probably not by nearly as much as you think though and CERTAINLY not in the culinary or entertainment worlds. Long standing reputations and locations closer to other, more significant cities make it seem like these cities are "dumps" but they're MUCH closer to Portland in many ways than you think. They just don't get the press yet.

Portland is no longer the "hidden gem" that it used to be. It's well known nationwide and other "hidden gem" cities are catching up. It's not a bad city at all, in fact it's a nice, impressive one. I do, however, think that some aspects of Portland get more hype than they deserve while other cities in this region don't get enough. Like I said, Portland is certainly better than many (if not most) of the struggling secondary cities in New England, but that doesn't mean that it stands out, to the degree many want to give it credit for, as much nationally. It's a great city, not a perfect one and it seems that while many natives won't SAY it, that's how they feel.
 
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Well, now to do a little bragging after bashing since this will probably make us the best minor league sports city possibly in the country now. I just was reading a list that had us ranked as number 7. Yep, another top ten list reference!!!

In all seriousness, this is really great for us.

PORTLAND ? Minor league basketball appears to be on its way back to Maine.

A local investment group is expected to announce Wednesday at Portland High School that it will be awarded an NBA Development League franchise, bringing professional basketball back to the state after an absence of more than a decade.

Jon Jennings, one of the lead investors behind the team, confirmed Friday that his group will be making an announcement next week.

"I can say we're very happy to bring the process to a close," he said.

Jennings and his partners have expressed a strong desire to be affiliated with the Boston Celtics, and that could indeed be the case, although Jennings would not confirm it.

Portland High boys' basketball coach Joe Russo said he has heard from several sources that Danny Ainge, president of basketball operations for the Celtics, will be at the press conference Wednesday.

"Why would Danny Ainge be coming if the team wasn't going to be associated with the Celtics?" Russo said.

Representatives from the Celtics and the D-League, as it is commonly referred to, did not return phone calls Friday.

The Celtics, defending NBA champions, are currently affiliated with the D-League's Utah Flash. Celtics President Rich Gotham told the Portland Press Herald/Maine Sunday Telegram last year that having a minor league affiliate closer to Boston would make sense.

"We're happy with the current relationship we have with the Utah Flash," he said then. "At the same time, we'd be happy to have a D-League team a bit closer to Boston and be able to keep a closer tie with our guys who might be playing in the D-League ? get some synergy as a result."

Ian McCarthy, owner of the Manchester (N.H.) Millrats of the Premier Basketball League, said he has long suspected that the city that landed a D-League franchise first ? Portland or Manchester ? would get the coveted Celtics affiliation.

"We would be desirous of the Celtics affiliation, but Portland probably has a leg up on that," McCarthy said this week.

The D-League has 16 franchises, most of which are located west of the Mississippi River. An expansion team began playing in Erie, Pa., this season, making it the closest franchise to Portland.

It is unclear whether Wednesday's announcement might coincide with announcements in other cities. D-League President Dan Reed has previously expressed his intention of bringing a cluster of teams to the Northeast to keep travel costs down. The league pays player salaries, but individual teams are responsible for travel.

Other Northeast cities mentioned as possible expansion sites for the D-League have included Harlem, Hartford, Conn., and Springfield, Mass.

In March 2008, Jennings and his fellow investors ? including Bill Ryan Jr., owner of Oxford Plains Speedway, and Bill Ryan Sr., chairman of the board of TD Banknorth ? made a five-season lease agreement with the city of Portland to play at the Portland Expo beginning in the fall of 2009. The investors would kick in $250,000 for building improvements to the 3,209-seat Expo.

Another detail expected to unfold at Wednesday's press conference is a doubleheader arrangement with the Portland High boys' and girls' teams, which also play their games at the Expo.

"We've had enough dialogue with them about a partnership with the Portland High basketball program," said Portland athletic director Rich Drummond. "The D-League team wants to play some Friday night games. Depending on our schedules, I feel it would be a win-win situation having either the Portland boys or Portland girls playing first, followed by a D-League game."

Staff Writer Jenn Menendez can be contacted at 791-6426 or at:
 
Well, now to do a little bragging after bashing since this will probably make us the best minor league sports city possibly in the country now. I just was reading a list that had us ranked as number 7. Yep, another top ten list reference!!!

In all seriousness, this is really great for us.

Portland has an excellent following of Minor League Sports. I'm always amazed at how closely people follow the Seadogs and Pirates.

I actually have a friend who works for the Providence Bruins and every time they're in town (Portland) I visit him and go to the games and hang out with the team. Many members on the P. Bruins have mentioned to me that Portland has the most active crowd out of the cities they visit. Bigger cities like Worcester and Springfield have trouble keeping people in the seats, but Portland doesn't.

Another sport would be good for Portland and it could be even more incentive for a new arena (maybe? fingers crossed).
 
Can Portland really support a basketball team (for more than a season)? I can see them having a hard time filling the expo even if they are affiliated with the Celtics. I don't follow basketball at all, but that's the impression I get. I seem to recall Portland having a lower level basketball team a few years ago for some reason. There also used to be a roller hockey team in the 90's that played one season (if that long) at the Civic Center. how are the Manchester Wolves football team doing? Any opinions from basketball/sports fans?

Here are the AHL attendnace records by team, Portland is just about at the average level. And here are the Eastern League baseball records, where Portland does very well every year. I couldn't find any D-League attendance records but would be interested to see what the average is.
 
I think it would work for at least a year... the novelty should at least be enough to gather attention. However keeping them would be another issue, but I don't see why they couldn't.

As far as the AHL numbers go, I wonder what the percentage of seats filled is? Cumberland County CC is smaller than the average AHL arena so while actual numbers may be low, the percentage of seats filled may be higher than average.
 
"I can see them having a hard time filling the expo even if they are affiliated with the Celtics. I don't follow basketball at all, but that's the impression I get."

That's the difference this time though. It's not some crusty league, it's the actual minor league team. Having the Celtics connection is going to double the attendance. There is no way this won't work, seriously. They only need to fill about 3000 seats a game, if that. Hell, I'm thinking about getting season tix if they even offer that. We would have seen Gabe Pruitt, Bill Walker, and JR Giddens this season. I also think with the team being close to Boston, they'll be more likely to keep end of the bench players on our team rather than on the big team.

I can't believe Manchester didn't get their act together in time to push for this affiliation. That's two huge ones they lost out on, including the red sox affiliation.
 
according to the paper the pier proposals are to be open to public input. but is it actually public input or just some select group of yippies who moved here from somewhere else and want to make the pier a park. a park would be nice, but there should also be office and hotel accommodations as wel as restaurants and retail. there is a lot of these things in the area already but none with a view. just build something.

the condos in this neighborhood probably won't be built.
 
Amen Grittys457
Where is the professional population in Portland? I rarely see people in suits around Portland. I would imagine there is a large college-educated population in the greater Portland area yet I don't see it around the city, at least manifested by yuppies or others dressed like such.
I feel much better that I am not the only one who has noticed.

Matt
 
The only place to see suits is around the courthouse when the lawyers take their lunch breaks.

Whenever I'm in a 'big city' on a weekday I see so many people wearing suits and wonder 'what do they do?' I would love to have a job where I have to wear (and can afford) nice suits. Where I work now, Unum, is more business casual.
 
Here's a shot taken Yesterday showing the new building on Danforth Street, just in front of the civic center at this angle. It adds some nice density to the skyline and anything that blocks a view of the civic center is a bonus!

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Great pic!

I like that building, looks good, adds density as you mentioned. They should build more like those!
 
I tried looking for an old thread about the proposed development of the 'top of the old port' parking lot but couldn't find it so I'll put this here.



Discontinued section of street resurfaces as issue in Portland
A panel will look into reasserting rights over the part of Wilmot Street that cuts through a private parking lot.
By DENNIS HOEY, Staff Writer March 9, 2009

http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=243905&ac=PHnws&pg=2

"The Wilmot Street section in question was discontinued as a city street in 1988 so that a development group could build three office towers. The project fell through, and the developers failed to make the required $60,000 in improvements to Lincoln Park.

That meant the city still retains the right to reacquire the roadway for $1.
City Attorney Gary Wood said it's unlikely the city would reopen the street, which is nearly in line with Franklin Towers and Lincoln Park."
Pretty informative article.

The legal representative for the people who own the lot said:

"Howard said the Contos family has no intention of developing anything on the site in the near future, but splitting the lot in half would hinder any future effort to lure a developer to the site.

"If this (idea) were to go forward, it would send a very negative message about doing business in Portland," Howard said."
I always noticed the break in the guardrail araound the parking lot but was not aware of a road being here. Somehow, the road is on google maps and I never noticed?!

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"That development they spoke of sounded great."

The link you posted was not for the same development involved with this story. It is in the same location though. The one you linked was the fairly recent Boulos project which would have been beyond great and I'm mad just thinking about it not being there right now.

The project back in 1988 or whenever they said it was for three towers, one of them being about 27 stories I think. The worst part is that it actually was approved by the city but the developers pulled out near the end. Dammit.
 
Here's some pics from back in the day:

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Above is the final, trimmed down version. It was originally proposed at 275 ft with spire...

Another for shits and giggles:

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I think the beginning of the real estate bust started. It really sucks to see those pics now. It sucks even more that the Boulos office building with garage, civic center, and convention center would be opening this year. AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
 
A few more shots of this building. Not only do I like how it looks so far, it is also the only thing under construction in the area.

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Great pics. I like how it is coming out also. I think they should build more like that in empty lots around the city.
 

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