Radian (Dainty Dot) | 120 Kingston Street | Chinatown

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KentXie said:
You know just because you would doesn't mean everyone would too. Some people just have a preference for cars. There's going to be a people for each option but it's bad business to discriminate against a group if the developers are trying to get the highest price possible.
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Not if the cost of the extra parking is more than the price delta to appeal to people that own cars. In this situation the developer felt that wasn't the case.
 
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Since when are "car owners" a legally protected group?
 
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KentXie said:
You know just because you would doesn't mean everyone would too. Some people just have a preference for cars.
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you know, just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean everyone wouldn't too. Some people just have a preference for no cars.

It seems a lot of people here are having a difficult time understanding that other folks have differing preferences on city life and car ownership. Believe it or not, some people do not live life like you do. And that's okay. There are even businesses and residential communities that cater to lifestyles that are unlike yours. And that's okay.

If you prefer a suburban lifestyle, that's okay. But there are people who do not. Some of these people even have money and can afford to live in expensive urban hi rises. And that's okay.
 
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Not necessarily. Let's separate Manhattan from the other boroughs for this discussion. People think NYC = Manhattan for some reason.
In the outer boroughs (BX, BK, SI, etc.), car ownership is far more common. More on street parking, less density, etc.

75% of people in NYC ride public transportation to work. Car ownership in Manhattan is not very common. A lot of people who own cars in Manhattan reverse commute to NJ, CT and Westchester. It isn't all Ferraris and Range Rovers heading to the Hamps.

My building has over 600 apartments but you could go down today and get a monthly parking spot in our tiny underground garage. Living without a car is something people in NYC have gotten used to. I have to listen to people from California lamenting the lack of a car, but this is something I think Bostonians will have to get used to if all of these hi-rises apartment buildings are built.

armpitsOFmight said:
rich NYC'ers own cars.
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Ooh. Thanks for the pix. I actually like the glass.
 
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Starting to feel better about this one. I personally think it complements 1 Lincoln well.
Thank you for all of the pictures, BeeLine.
 
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great additon, cant wait for the crown.... really gonna tie this thing together.
 
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I would live here. I don't think I'd want to pay the rent though.
 
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what kind of rents do you think they are going to be asking? $4.50/ft? More?
 
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sidewalks said:
what kind of rents do you think they are going to be asking? $4.50/ft? More?
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Assuming $4.50/ft/month:

Studio, roughly 500sqft = $2,250/month
1br, roughly 800sqft = $3,600/month
2br, roughly 1100sqft = $4,950/month
3br, roughly 1400sqft = $6,300/month

That seems roughly in line with the upscale market, at least from what I've seen for studio/1br's. Obviously my estimated square feet per unit could be way off depending on how big they decide to make them. Also the prices may be lower since that part of town isn't considered as nice as Back Bay/South End yet....
 
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Czervik.Construction said:
Not necessarily. Let's separate Manhattan from the other boroughs for this discussion. People think NYC = Manhattan for some reason.
In the outer boroughs (BX, BK, SI, etc.), car ownership is far more common. More on street parking, less density, etc.

75% of people in NYC ride public transportation to work. Car ownership in Manhattan is not very common. A lot of people who own cars in Manhattan reverse commute to NJ, CT and Westchester. It isn't all Ferraris and Range Rovers heading to the Hamps.

My building has over 600 apartments but you could go down today and get a monthly parking spot in our tiny underground garage. Living without a car is something people in NYC have gotten used to. I have to listen to people from California lamenting the lack of a car, but this is something I think Bostonians will have to get used to if all of these hi-rises apartment buildings are built.
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Well, to take this further afield, I'd like to propose that there isn't necessarily a relationship between low car ownership and high quality of life in a (first-world) "walking city". Take Manhattan above 14th Street. Low car ownership, many of the vehicles on the road are taxis... and yet... pedestrians are absolutely screwed. Yes, I know that may be controversial to say, but it's true. Pedestrians are marginalized and Balkanized between avenues and the major streets. While Manhattan is anything but a land of strip malls you nonetheless get zero relief from the negative externalities of car traffic. (True, there's been some improvement under the current admin, but even what they've done with Times Square still feels like a temporary traffic arrangement.)
 
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JoeBoston1 said:
you know, just because you wouldn't, doesn't mean everyone wouldn't too. Some people just have a preference for no cars.

It seems a lot of people here are having a difficult time understanding that other folks have differing preferences on city life and car ownership. Believe it or not, some people do not live life like you do. And that's okay. There are even businesses and residential communities that cater to lifestyles that are unlike yours. And that's okay.

If you prefer a suburban lifestyle, that's okay. But there are people who do not. Some of these people even have money and can afford to live in expensive urban hi rises. And that's okay.
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That's exactly my point. Why waste time trying to convince them otherwise? The developers are best off trying to appeal to both market rather than trying to appeal to only one type.
 
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KentXie, you are not talking about developer choice. You are saying that the government should use the power of law to force the developers to build parking whether they want to do so or not. That's not a market argument -- that's a central planning argument: force developers to build more parking spaces by government fiat, or else.


Shepard, pedestrians are not "absolutely screwed" in Manhattan above 14th Street. It's true that the particular dimensions of the grid turned out to be rather poorly chosen, especially in some parts of the borough more than others (it's not consistent). And the ridiculously wide avenues (and generally oversized roadways) are terrible. Also the decision to convert them to one-way was another boneheaded mid-century auto-oriented move. The NYPD doesn't seem to give two shits about pedestrian safety w/regard to automotive traffic violence (exhibit A: what happened yesterday).

But despite some terrible incidents, (much of) Manhattan is still one of the best, most interesting, and safest places to be a pedestrian in the USA. Sadly, that's mostly a statement about how terrible the rest of the country is. It's also a sign of how much crap people will put up with to be in a place as vibrant as that.
 
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anyways....... the curved glass is looking good.
 
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Glass looks good and its nice to get a curved glass skyscraper since we dont really have any.... great addition to the area.
 
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So ... may turn out 'iconic' after all?
 
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stick n move said:
Glass looks good and its nice to get a curved glass skyscraper since we dont really have any.... great addition to the area.
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Lol, 33 Arch St is curved, but I agree this curve is quite dramatic as well.

The contrast between this and the Hotel de Lafayette/Hyatt is just incredible.
 
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