Reasonable Transit Pitches

FWIW...here's what was officially proposed for the completion of the Crosstown bus system. "EC" routes = "Express Commuter".


  • CT1 - Central Square (Cambridge) to Andrew Station via Massachusetts Avenue
  • CT2 - Sullivan Square to Ruggles via Union Square (Somerville), Kendall Square and Boston University Bridge
  • CT3 - Longwood Medical Area to Airport Station and terminals via Ruggles, Boston Medical Center, and Ted Williams Tunnel
  • CT4 - Ruggles Station to UMass Boston Campus via Dudley Square and Uphams Corner
  • CT5 - Logan Airport to Sullivan Square via Downtown Chelsea, Wellington, and Assembly Square
  • CT6 - Downtown Chelsea to Kendall/MIT via Community College and Lechmere
  • CT7 - Kendall/MIT to Franklin Park via Mass Ave Bridge, Kenmore, Longwood Medical Area, Ruggles, Dudley, and Grove Hall
  • CT8 - Sullivan Square to Longwood Medical Area via Union Square Somerville, Central Square Cambridge, Cambridgeport, Boston University Bridge, and Fenway Station
  • CT9 - Kenmore to Harvard Square via Commonwealth Ave and Allston
  • CT10 - Kenmore to JFK/UMass via Longwood Medical Area, Ruggles, and Boston Medical Center
  • CT11 - Longwood Medical Area to Fields Corner via Ruggles, Boston Medical Center, and Uphams Corner
  • EC1 - Anderson Regional Transportation Center to MIT at Mass Ave via Sullivan Square, Lechmere, and Kendall
  • EC2 - Riverside to Lechmere via Mass Pike, Central Square, and Kendall
  • EC3 - Natick to Copley Square via Mass Pike
 
Indeed. The MBTA needs to make some operating investments in its buses. They're always looking for the shiny new capital expense instead of beefing up what they already got going.

The 66's headways are atrocious for the kind of ridership it gets. One problem is, there's no clear short-turn choice for it. The anchors (Harvard, Dudley) are so strong that it doesn't make sense to terminate early. And there's so many overlapping trips. It needs better frequency.

Maybe one alternative to increased 66 frequency is to slightly undo the 66/86 reconfiguration. If you make a short-turn 66A which runs Dudley-Allston Union Square like the old 66 used to do, and then create an 86A* which does Union Square-Union Square like the old 86 used to do, then maybe you can get away with existing 66 frequencies, while adding service on top.

*Might be better to choose a different route number altogether.
 
I'm thinking of how SF has limited service on key routes (38, 14, etc.), although their headways are also much higher (Even on Sundays, the combined 14/14L headways are on the order of 5-7 minutes...)
 
The Geary Limited is not as extreme as the proposal here. It mostly just skips every other stop.

The trouble with limited services in general is that they shape demand and steer people towards the higher frequency stops. They're "picking winners and losers" if you will. In the SF Bay Area, Caltrain's Baby Bullet is a good example of limited service done wrong. They sacrificed service to many stops to achieve the Baby Bullet's "hour trip time" SJ-SF. Many intermediate stations don't see a train for 30, 40, even 60 minutes during the supposed "peak". As a result, even fundamentally sound potential ridership sources like California Ave have dwindled.

I'd speculate that the successful "limiteds" are supplementing a solid local service with good walk up-friendly frequency already. Unfortunately, the 66 is teetering on the wrong side of that divide, with off-peak headways of 20 minutes and insufficient peak service. And since the demand is really non-traditional and all-day, a completely packed bus could arrive at any time of day or night.

There's also alternatives already. If you're travelling from Harvard to Roxbury, then you should be moving radially. Red/Orange is much faster. Even Red/Silver should be faster despite the Silver Line's problems.
 
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FWIW...here's what was officially proposed for the completion of the Crosstown bus system. "EC" routes = "Express Commuter".


  • CT1 - Central Square (Cambridge) to Andrew Station via Massachusetts Avenue
  • CT2 - Sullivan Square to Ruggles via Union Square (Somerville), Kendall Square and Boston University Bridge
  • CT3 - Longwood Medical Area to Airport Station and terminals via Ruggles, Boston Medical Center, and Ted Williams Tunnel
  • CT4 - Ruggles Station to UMass Boston Campus via Dudley Square and Uphams Corner
  • CT5 - Logan Airport to Sullivan Square via Downtown Chelsea, Wellington, and Assembly Square
  • CT6 - Downtown Chelsea to Kendall/MIT via Community College and Lechmere
  • CT7 - Kendall/MIT to Franklin Park via Mass Ave Bridge, Kenmore, Longwood Medical Area, Ruggles, Dudley, and Grove Hall
  • CT8 - Sullivan Square to Longwood Medical Area via Union Square Somerville, Central Square Cambridge, Cambridgeport, Boston University Bridge, and Fenway Station
  • CT9 - Kenmore to Harvard Square via Commonwealth Ave and Allston
  • CT10 - Kenmore to JFK/UMass via Longwood Medical Area, Ruggles, and Boston Medical Center
  • CT11 - Longwood Medical Area to Fields Corner via Ruggles, Boston Medical Center, and Uphams Corner
  • EC1 - Anderson Regional Transportation Center to MIT at Mass Ave via Sullivan Square, Lechmere, and Kendall
  • EC2 - Riverside to Lechmere via Mass Pike, Central Square, and Kendall
  • EC3 - Natick to Copley Square via Mass Pike

So... what happened to all these?
 
I want to change the 83 bus a bit.

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Blue: Current route

Solid Red: Fresh pond extension. The 83 cannot terminate at Alewife as left turns onto Rindge Avenue from Route 2 are impossible/illegal. Also, Fresh pond is rather transit-isolated for a mall. The bus would loop around Terminal rd, under the bridge, through the parking lot before going back to Rindge ave towards Central Sq.

Dotted red: High school route (one or two morning trips would better serve students living in N. Cambridge and Rindge Ave area. The 72 currently does this for the Huron/W. Cambridge neighborhood)

Orange: Beacon St. re-routing -The intersection of park st. and beacon is a painful chokepoint; buses can very easily become stuck at the tight intersection, which creates a huge traffic buildup. and god forbid If two buses meet each other at that point (happens a lot). The only disadvantage I can think of to this re-routing is that it would screws over exactly one block of somerville ave, and it would break the connection to the 87 bus
 
I want to change the 83 bus a bit.

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Blue: Current route

Solid Red: Fresh pond extension. The 83 cannot terminate at Alewife as left turns onto Rindge Avenue from Route 2 are impossible/illegal. Also, Fresh pond is rather transit-isolated for a mall. The bus would loop around Terminal rd, under the bridge, through the parking lot before going back to Rindge ave towards Central Sq.

Dotted red: High school route (one or two morning trips would better serve students living in N. Cambridge and Rindge Ave area. The 72 currently does this for the Huron/W. Cambridge neighborhood)

Orange: Beacon St. re-routing -The intersection of park st. and beacon is a painful chokepoint; buses can very easily become stuck at the tight intersection, which creates a huge traffic buildup. and god forbid If two buses meet each other at that point (happens a lot). The only disadvantage I can think of to this re-routing is that it would screws over exactly one block of somerville ave, and it would break the connection to the 87 bus

I don't know if you necessarily have to change the terminus from Russell Field. The path from the bus shelter in that parking lot to the Alewife Station entrance is only 750 ft., well-lit, nicely plowed in winter, and usually well-patrolled with enough people around to be safe at night. What it needs is better signage and a last-stop announcement of where to walk to get to Alewife. And all they need to do re: the Mall is to make an official footpath down to Terminal Rd. on that spot on the hill where people have worn their own makeshift path down, and it's equally accessible to all those destinations. Really, that's a much more convenient terminus than anywhere else you could go via the restricted Rindge/Parkway light and all the extra time stuck in traffic for a +1 stop extension. The Russell Field stop just needs better promotion for its connectivity.

As for the rest...I wouldn't mess with the current route because its audience is very dependent on where it currently goes, but you could definitely do an 83A alt routing at school hours. I live in that area and know full well how many kids that would serve. It's an idea well worth considering, since Cambridge lacks a lot of the before/after school Yellow Line options that Boston has long had.
 
I see your point! Maybe if they announced "Russell Field, red line and bus connection" or something at russell field and maybe even put up a small sign near the bus shelter pointing people in the right direction to the train and other buses.

The school route for the 83 runs right as school lets out at 2:30. If we had 1 or 2 of these 83alt's running at 7:10 and 7:30 (generally the "North Cambridge bus-crush hour) alongside the normal 83, A. our current disembark point wouldn't be at Washington St. in Somerville (about a 10-15 minute walk, not usually an issue unless the bus is delayed.. Also it's in different city?), and B. we would free-up the normal-route buses (occasionally gets to the point where the bus is filled to capacity almost exclusively with CRLS students and the driver has to stop letting people board. This causes an inconvenience for the non-student riders.)
 
Replying mostly to bookmark this thread.

But also wondering... why doesn't the T arrange for some outer connections between its commuter rail lines? For instance, I live off the Middleborough line. Frequency is meh, but the trains never run when I want them. But why not run a bus 15 minutes up the road to Kingston to meet with those trains? This would be a short-haul route with limited stops that maybe could have some other applications and interconnect with other GATRA routes (Middleborough-Taunton, Middleborough-Wareham, the Kingston/Plymouth bus system, etc.).
 
^ The T probably doesn't do this because of a lack of demand. I believe they tried something similar to this at Anderson Trans. Center to Burlington Mall, but it got axed pretty quickly. The T would have to find a way to prime ridership for "Exurban Ring" bus routes, because unless the ridership is there, they won't bother.
 
The mindset of the T is that everyone owns a car, and therefore, commuter rail is about shuttling people from parking lot to CBD. That's why they build parking lots everywhere and consider parking spaces to be "transit expansion."

So in their mind, you can just drive to Kingston.

They don't really consider the logical implications of their thought process. If you can drive to Kingston, you can just drive closer, maybe all the way, to your destination.
 
Replying mostly to bookmark this thread.

But also wondering... why doesn't the T arrange for some outer connections between its commuter rail lines? For instance, I live off the Middleborough line. Frequency is meh, but the trains never run when I want them. But why not run a bus 15 minutes up the road to Kingston to meet with those trains? This would be a short-haul route with limited stops that maybe could have some other applications and interconnect with other GATRA routes (Middleborough-Taunton, Middleborough-Wareham, the Kingston/Plymouth bus system, etc.).

These 128-to-495 and beyond places are usually under jurisdiction of a different Regional Transit Authority for the buses, so it's not a service the T can provide. And in the case of Anderson the Yellow Line coverage is so thin out there the stop was largely left to outsiders like the 128 Biz Council shuttle to fill in. And that's not a fair shake because low-margin consortiums like that can't afford to route-prime a new service for a few years until ridership catches on. 128BC had to throw in the towel years ago on Anderson even though the station ridership has been growing robustly; their finances are too year-to-year variable to commit to running a loss leader the 5-10 years it'll take to slow-cook itself into a winner.

And even in the commuter rail towns that fall into gaps between T bus coverage and RTA bus coverage, there's also the simple logistical problem of sustaining Yellow Line service that far away from the yards and crew bases. The North Shore is particularly crippled by this having to express nearly all its routes to downtown for lack of a transfer station at Lynn terminal. The bus yards don't have a big enough equipment pipeline to fill in more purely local routes with the expresses siphoning so much away.


Doing this sort of thing is wholly dependent on loosening up the funding for the RTA's to spread their wings. The RTA's do a good job today with what they have, but if the commuter rail stop isn't close to their home base and core routes it's a struggle for them to provide the coverage. It's been flagged as a state priority for ages to provide more circulating bus service into the outer CR stations, but if the T itself is fighting for funding scraps the RTA's are fighting for crumbs-from-the-scraps. That's not going to substantially change until the money is there. But the local RTA's are fully sympatico with the need for it...so funding is the only obstacle for starting up some routes that do exactly what you suggest.

As for the indie and business consortium operators like 128BC...they need some subsidy to close the gap on year-to-year funding uncertainty so they have the cost stability to commit to running routes for the long haul. A new suburban route is rarely going to be well-patronized from Day 1 and needs time to build up momentum, build up a good word-of-mouth on its convenience, etc. I'm sure 128BC knew this and hated having to pull the plug on their Anderson shuttle so soon, but they don't have the margins to wait out slow growth and have to show immediate results. They don't have a choice. The public part of the public-private or public-nonprofit partnerships has an opportunity to help backstop the uncertainty more so these outfits don't have to worry so much about the year-to-year, month-to-month numbers on a route that's a long-term prospect.

But like with the RTA's, this can only happen only if we can bust out of this statewide holding pattern on bus transit funding. It's not just the Yellow Line that's been near-static for over a decade and had to trade 1:1 painful cuts some places to feed its growth other places. The RTA's and the indie/municipal/consortium/etc. services are treading water much the same way. And this is the result...they can't take calculated risks on useful expansion routes like radial CR transfer shuttles when their margins won't support seeing through a "5-year plan" or two's worth of slow-growth losses developing the route.


The good news is most of the state's other RTA's have now fully migrated over to Charlie Cards. So the missing link in getting these bus transfer routes some juice is getting CR Charlied. It would be a huge boost for the really well- built-out RTA's like BAT in Brockton which already has its terminal right at the downtown CR station and has already cashed in on service growth from the transfer. But it also encourages more of those calculated risks on the 495-belt stops where the feeders would need to cover more distance/less density.

Charlie's also going to be critical for converting park-and-riders into bus riders. One card needs to have the convenience of paying for parking, paying for the bus transfers, and paying for the commuter rail trip. It encourages regular park-and-riders to try the bus out of curiosity, try the bus as a backup route for bad weather/bad traffic/unavailable car, try the bus as a way to save money over escalating parking costs, or try the bus as a simple comparison to see if it's less aggravating than a drive in traffic and gives them a few more minutes vs. driving to check work e-mail on their smartphone, etc. There needs to be an 'in' that's effortless enough for them not to need to think about which way they choose to get to the CR station, not need to make a leap-of-faith commitment to a different mode without having every option available on any given day at equal convenience, and which doesn't change the way they pay for any part of their commute. Fluidity. More people will warm to the idea of a car-free commute via bus if they can switch back and forth, fidget around day-to-day, and try it again on a whim if the first attempt didn't strike their fancy. Unified, all-mode Charlie coverage opens those doors for more service on a scale that little else can. As long as the rollout remains this incomplete omitting CR and most systemwide parking...it's a hurdle that's tough to overcome.
 
Not a bad vision. DMU over Grand Junction seems like a stopgap, but its a radial circulator that doesn't cost a few billion, so go for it.
 
Not a bad vision. DMU over Grand Junction seems like a stopgap, but its a radial circulator that doesn't cost a few billion, so go for it.

I think that one's gonna be one of the first cuts. The studies for Worcester Line service to North Station capped it at a max of 10 round trips per day, which is reasonable limit for all those grade crossings at train speeds of 35-40 MPH. But I don't know how you'd be able to ping something back and forth through there every 20-25 mins. all day without gridlocking Mass Ave. and Cambridge St. forevermore. It's most definitely a leap of faith to put that on the official announcement not having studied it at that level of service density. This isn't the Urban Ring where a normal traffic light cycle + frequent-stopping transit vehicles makes it all jibe. These are frequencies the Grand Junction hasn't seen since before before people owned cars, before MIT moved across the river, and before the people outnumbered the livestock near Kendall Sq. If that line had the ability to absorb this kind of service scale, it would've been doing it years ago.


It's almost like somebody at MassDOT pulled the UR study out of storage, laid it out on their desk next to the Worcester-NS study, and said "Little from Column A...little from Column B...perfect!".
 
Why just go DMUs to Lynn? If you're just doing dmu service and not full blue extension, then at least go to Salem too, with Peabody/Danvers potentially added later on.

Besides, how could they turn DMUs at Lynn anyways? That pretty much abandoned yard at Salem station would work perfect
 
Why just go DMUs to Lynn? If you're just doing dmu service and not full blue extension, then at least go to Salem too, with Peabody/Danvers potentially added later on.

Besides, how could they turn DMUs at Lynn anyways? That pretty much abandoned yard at Salem station would work perfect

They probably did that because the fare jumps from Zone 2 at Lynn to Zone 3 at Swampscott and Salem and Zone 4 at Beverly. Which is way out of whack with every other inside-128 line that doesn't exceed Zone 2 at its outermost stop.

That's clearly not realistic. If they want Indigo Lines, they have to be priced similarly. 1A, 1, and absolutely no more than Zone 2 at the terminal stop. So to do that on the Eastern Route the fares at the outermost DMU stops have to get slashed considerably. And since this vision statement isn't grounded in any funding reality...because the funding reality hasn't been fixed yet...they arbitrarily drew the line at what's a current Zone 2 and sidestepped the question of what should be a Zone 2. Or a 1. Or a 1A. Or the nearest stop you can feasibly turn large numbers of trains in non-awkward fashion.


Lynn does sorta have a yard. Way down by the GE plant and Riverworks. And there's some shredded-up chunks of freight sidings a few blocks south of Lynn station, although it's up on the embankment so no trivial matter for a crew member in the breakroom to get down to street level to grab a foot-long at the Subway on Wheeler St. In all practicality you have to go to Salem and tear down that Zone 3 paywall to make this work, but I don't think the MassDOT flacks who made that map were all that aware.
 
The MBTA/MassDOT has released their 2024 vision:
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Heavily reliant on DMU service:
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http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2014/01/09/massdot-capital-plan-proposal/

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EDIT: Just noticed this was posted in the Fairmount Line thread. I'd argue the discussion should be here in order to stay on topic and keep the Fairmount thread about Fairmount discussion only.

Would love to see this plan implemented after completion of NS Link, where Fairmount trains could run straight through and do north of Boston stops.
 
they really need to extend the orange line one stop into roslindale square - they could terminate 5 of the 9 bus lines that run down washington street toward forest hills - and if you consider the ridership of the CR and all the bus lines that pass through the square, it could potentially be one of the top 25 busiest stations in the entire system. Plus, as discussed on the orange-line thread there's already a ROW along the arboretum.

Although - I'm thinking the city is going to have to really push the T hard to get them to even consider adding this stop. it's not on anyone's radar, but would have a huge impact - both in terms of traffic AND for the struggling commercial district in rozzie.
 

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