Regional Rail (RUR) & North-South Rail Link (NSRL)

Re: North-South Rail Link

The only reason to build a monorail is precisely because they fall somewhere between silent-unobtrusive and swooshy-sexy futuristic (Disney/Vegas/Japan). They're features, not bugs.

Actually, the thing that killed Seattle Monorail extensions was the new safety requirement that there be a continuous egress walkway (rather than having to have a ladder truck come). It made dual beam messy (central egress) and single beam awful (outrigger egress). By the time it was all larded up with gangways, the guideway ended up nearly costing what a two-track light-rail-laid-in-ballast overhead line would cost.

Can we safely assume that any politician who proposes a monorail has definitely used public transit ONLY in disneyworld or Vegas ?
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

Can we safely assume that any politician who proposes a monorail has definitely used public transit ONLY in disneyworld or Vegas ?

Yup. And that they have never been to Detroit where the one directional "peoplemover" is a de facto monorail.
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

There should be a cap on development based on infrastructure and resources, but after say a 20% to 30% increase in Massachusetts population.. Plans to go above that cap should incur additional taxes to pay for the infrastructure needed, if possible. MWRA communities can probably support an additional 30% increase in water use before needing to consider major infrastructure investment at higher operating costs.

We will have this discussion in fifteen or twenty years depending on how things go.

How long do you think it will take to have the very slowly growing Massachusetts population increase by 30 % or even 20%?

At present rates of growth [3.2% per decade from 2000 to 2010] we are talking the better part of a Century for a 30% increase [28% in 80 years]

I don't think that statewide there is any need for a moratorium

PS forget the additional taxes -- not going to happen

The best that you can hope for is that all of the "Byzantine" Federal Transportation grant process gets converted into a redirection of the Federal Gasoline and other Taxes and Fees back to the states -- so that Massachusetts will get back exactly what was paid in to do as it pleases
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

Last-minute invite to join us and Mr. Dukakis to talk about North-South Rail Link.

With the number of Boston City Councilors being wooed by the absurd idea that PRT will ever be viable as a solution here, let alone a monorail, I'm more than happy to facilitate any noise about making this a real priority over myopic patch fixes like the South Station Expansion.
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

Last-minute invite to join us and Mr. Dukakis to talk about North-South Rail Link.

With the number of Boston City Councilors being wooed by the absurd idea that PRT will ever be viable as a solution here, let alone a monorail, I'm more than happy to facilitate any noise about making this a real priority over myopic patch fixes like the South Station Expansion.

SSX isn't a myopic patch fix, and this myth that NSRL replaces the terminals needs to stop getting repeated because it is flat-out not true. To take full advantage of the maximum mainline rail capacity originating out of Boston, you need:

North-South Rail Link

...AND South Station Expansion

...AND North Station 3rd drawbridge + platform expansion on the ex-Spaulding parcel


Capacity through the terminal district is the service limiter imposing a ceiling on max frequencies too low to serve 25-year needs. Nobody spends $8B in a lateral trade of single terminal districts for another single terminal district with no meaningful net gain in capacity. Run-thru service by its lonesome isn't nearly a high enough value proposition for the investment. All of the above with mix-and-match terminals is the 100+ year solution for near-inexhaustible network capacity. Whacking one or both terminals and freezing investment in them defeats the entire purpose of doing NSRL at all.

That makes about as much sense as the uni- brain cell of the collective City Council pitching PRT monorails at us.
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

Are those beer and transits 21+ ?
 
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If this hypothetically got greenlit, what would be the ballpark cost of just electrifying initial lines (literally stringing catenary) and buying electric trains? I understand only a couple of lines might get included in an initial build, so how many new electric trains would be needed, what would be the cost per train, etc. I'm trying to figure out the cost of this piece separate from the actual digging, tunneling, concrete, etc. Would a more detailed study need to be done before this could even be quoted properly?
 
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^ Folks should go!

Meanwhile, Zurich just completed its version of the NSRL (including a 3mile S-shaped tunnel because the stations weren't even pointed at each other) for CHF 2.1Billion (about the same as USD $2.1 Billion)
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/.../view/durchmesserlinie-project-completed.html

The Tunnel is shown dotted, below (click to enlarge)

That looks to have been significantly more complex than NSRL, given the way it seems to tunnel under densely built up areas. Why can they do something like that for the same or less than it costs us to do it where everything is already cleared and prepped? This kind of thing drives me nuts!
 
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If this hypothetically got greenlit, what would be the ballpark cost of just electrifying initial lines (literally stringing catenary) and buying electric trains? I understand only a couple of lines might get included in an initial build, so how many new electric trains would be needed, what would be the cost per train, etc. I'm trying to figure out the cost of this piece separate from the actual digging, tunneling, concrete, etc. Would a more detailed study need to be done before this could even be quoted properly?

For Cliffs Notes version? I know there's some generally acknowledged 'golden rule' cost ranges you can pretty reliably ballpark against, but having trouble pulling up anything specific enough in the RR.net search field. Try the Pedestrian Observations blog; I'm sure Alon Levy has done a lengthy post about this, and he's always the gold standard at separating out 'true' cost-by-country vs. difficulty of engineering vs. unreasonable lard.

We'd be using the de facto world standard of 25 kV AC @ grid frequency (60 Hz North America + some Southeast Asia; 50 Hz rest of the world). About as generic as it gets, and every new electrification or wholesale conversion from old/nonstandard to new/standardized electrification in N. America the last 30 years has done it that way (built: Amtrak Shoreline, Mexico City Ferrocaril Suburbano, Denver FasTraks, NJ Transit DC-to-AC conversion + expansion, AMT Montreal DC-to-AC conversion...design-build: California HSR, Bay Area Caltrain, Toronto GO Transit). Amtrak's New Haven-Boston specs guide is the template all of the new or proposed systems are working off of.


For the non-Cliffs Notes version? GO Transit's electrification DEIR is about as detailed as you'd get there for a system comparable in track miles to the T: http://www.gotransit.com/electrification/en/default.aspx. Not exactly light beach reading, unless you're looking to cure your crippling insomnia while on a beach.

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It would be way different northside vs. southside since South Station and the terminal district are already wired vs. nothing north. And of course you need readily available high-tension power lines in the vicinity capable of feeding a 25 kV railway electrification from a source...availability of which is going to vary line-by-line (though thankfully Eastern MA has no shortage of those).


For example...

To electrify 9 miles X 2 tracks of Fairmount the only things you'd need on the Fairmount Line-proper are:

  • the physical wires
  • 1 paralleling station (basically, a big circuit breaker) spaced 6 miles from the next-nearest one (i.e. this guy at Readville) somewhere in the Four Corners-Talbot range.
  • Vertical clearances under 10 overhead bridges that are 2 ft. 1 in. above the the tallest unshielded car roof cleared to run on the line. If CSX is taking shipping cubes out of Marine Terminal on freight trains then you'd need 19'7" total underclearance.
    • That's not nearly as expensive as it sounds for Fairmount-proper since most of those bridges are already there. Once you toss the ones solvable by trackbed undercutting (cheap, can be done in a single weekend's bustitution) you may only be talking 1 or 2 structures. And there's non-T funding sources to tap for offsetting the freight impacts such as fed TIGER grants, Massport's budget, etc. Not particularly consequential for the total project cost.
    • Caution: Nat'l Bridge Inventory is notoriously old/inaccurate/incomplete and goes by minimum clearance anywhere under the bridge (e.g. side abutments, not centerline). Don't rely on an Uglybridges.com search to estimate bridge count/costs. According to the NBI, the Worcester Line is 3 feet shorter than it should be for clearing the double-stack freights that are moving today from Westborough to the NY state line.
The rest of the power draw, including the terminal district, chains off the NEC's sole Massachusetts substation in Sharon (top; note the gigantic power line ROW it taps off of at bottom). Amtrak only installed enough capacity 15 years ago to feed its own trains, so the empty half of that slab of pavement in Sharon needs a T-paid substation expansion to enable commuter rail electrics @ South Station + Providence + Fairmount and pad the terminal district for expansion. But one investment would solve all three.


Worcester's the next-easiest. You'd need one full-on substation out in MetroWest where some of the big-ass power lines cross the ROW, paralleling stations once every 6 miles, and you'd need a replacement for the Beacon St. bridge because that won't even clear a commuter rail bi-level under wires. But all the vacated ex-CSX freight clearances west of there absorb it, and there are only 6 underpasses in double-stack territory that would have to be cleared for 23'1" (some already that tall, all can be trackbed-undercut).


It gets harder from there, but Providence + RIDOT + Fairmount + Worcester take up about 60% of the southside equipment pool. So you've already solved the problem of getting >half of those lines on more nimble EMU's. Dual-mode locomotives hauling push-pull trains doesn't slow down the tunnel if they're a decided minority of the total traffic. And branchlines are going to stick to the surface terminals far more often than they run in the tunnel, so tunnel assignments get weighted pretty heavily to the EMU-running trunk mainlines.

  • Old Colony was cleared from Day 1 to support electrification, but the 3 branches diffuses the service levels on majority of the past-128 track miles. Greenbush and Plymouth are never going to hit the service density thresholds to hit an electrification sweet spot, and Hyannis is a long freaking haul for doing Middleboro. I doubt you'll ever see all 3 lines wired up, or see wires extend across Cape Cod Canal.

  • We know how much South Coast Rail electrification doesn't pass the laugh test for the service levels; FR/NB are branches-off-a-branch. *Maybe* you can justify wires to Taunton Depot if you see lots of EMU's short-turning there, but you're using dual-mode push-pulls any which way to get to the endpoints so it makes no difference to those trains if the power switch is at Canton Jct. or Taunton.

  • Franklin is a protected freight clearance route that's forever going to have mini-high platforms, and if electrifying it'll cost a premium in future-proofing the overhead bridge clearances. Don't want to salt over at the 100-year level the last southside freight main into Boston-proper, so defer until the lower-hanging fruit is wired. It's doable, but not one that's wise to rush into.

  • Needham's not going to exist on the commuter rail by this point. I don't see how you can open the traffic floodgates on the NEC post-NSRL without trading Needham to Orange+Green and shifting all Franklin trains over to Fairmount. It's never going to get the slots it needs as long as it's attached to the RR network, NSRL or no NSRL.

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Northside, after the pain and suffering of getting the terminal district wired:

  • Lowell is the obvious #1 electrification since it's the highest-capacity mainline, funnels all of the interstate traffic, and is the matching compass pair to the NEC. The NSRL study is predicated on wires out to Anderson RTC, although there's no reason why they can't go all the way out to Lowell, Nashua, Concord. There would be a lot of bridge mods to do Lowell-Somerville because it's a 17' freight clearance route and a lot of them can't be solved by trackbed undercuts. But you've seen the decrepit condition of a lot of those bridges; MassDOT can pretty much cobble together another "Fast 14" blitz of nuthin' but falling-apart Lowell Line overpasses to replace. So...file under: eating one's peas.

  • Eastern Route is the obvious #2 electrification choice since it's the highest-ridership northside mainline and the nearest compass pair match for Worcester tunnel slots. You may only Phase I it to Beverly or Peabody for Day 1 of the tunnel ribbon-cutting and tack on Newburyport/Portsmouth and Rockport on next funding shot, but it's pretty obvious you're finishing the job the second funds are available. Santilli Circle rotary on the Everett Terminal freight route is the only tight freight underclearance of note, but if MassDOT ever replaces that decrepit elevated rotary atrocity it'll be built taller by default so this will probably be solved long before electrification goes on the table.
Then it gets hard...

  • Fitchburg points west of the junction just east of Ayer station and Haverhill/Downeaster all points north of Wilmington to Portland are going to be double-stack freight routes within the next 5-8 years. And unlike Worcester the extra clearance space is hard to come by because those lines weren't as luxuriously overbuilt as the Boston & Albany and have already been modded multiple times over to squeeze taller freight trains through. It is very likely you simply won't be able to find 23'1" on the Western Route without it mushrooming into a megaproject. And maybe not out to Wachusett either.
    • Haverhill is probably a forever- push-pull + dual-mode. But it sort of matches up on the compass with Franklin so it stays neat-and-tidy that way for scheduling tunnel slots. If HSR to Portland is going to be in the cards some day in the future, it's probably going to be via the Eastern Route and not Western.
    • Fitchburg you may have to decide: electrify to Waltham/128, or Littleton? It probably doesn't make any difference going past 128 where the Indigo EMU's would turn because stop spacing is so wide past there, so save your money stopping at Waltham the same way you're saving money on Canton vs. Taunton.

  • Reading Line is the misfit, being the most capacity-constrained mainline north.
    • The mash-up with the Eastern Route through Sullivan Sq. is going to rear its head as a big capacity pinch when the tunnel opens, and the Eastern is going to need more of the spoils. No easy way to fix this because the incline of the Orange Line viaduct eats up any practical physical room for rebuilding Sullivan with an extra track.
    • The single-track through Malden means the tippy-top service levels are pretty much just Indigo-Reading short-turns with all thru service Wilmington-Haverhill being relocated to the Lowell Line. It's the only mainline whose capacity in/out of Boston is capped outside the terminal district, and wouldn't see appreciable gains by very existence of the NSRL.
    • If you spent a chunk of change to rip out the Orange Line express track all that accomplishes is shoving the capacity limiter further up the line to the toilet clog of grade crossings in Melrose + Wakefield. Meaning you're starting to count up costs for gaining a full-capacity mainline in $100M increments with all the track expansion and crossing elimination to-do's.
    • It's got duplicate Orange Line electrification part of its length.
    • There are more Indigo routes on the northside (Lynn/Salem, Reading, Waltham, Woburn) than there are southside (Riverside, Readville) since NEC along the SW Corridor is reserved for the big boys. Old Colony is duplicated by Red, has a lot of branches to feed, and even if you fixed the Dorchester single-track pinch you may not physically be able to fix the Wollaston-Quincy Ctr. pinch. There's a mismatch in Indigo pairings that's going to leave somebody short on service and/or too many 128-to-128 trains turning at the surface terminals.
^^Do you bite the bullet and finish the Orange Line extension, and expunge Reading from commuter rail? It solves the Charlestown-Malden track capacity dilemma without making a great big construction mess. And if making it work as a load-bearing mainline rail route requires spending a shitload of money zapping crossings, does it make any difference if that money is spent under a Purple or Orange banner. I don't know if you do this immediately, but you think long and hard before stringing up 1 foot of commuter rail electrification because that mismatch in north vs. south Indigo pairings is kludgy to balance and you're going to be walking up a cost escalation treadmill to ultimately square that *elegantly* under the Purple banner. 3 Indigoes north vs. 2 south is much more logical to blend than 4 vs. 2 / winners vs. losers. If it's going to cost an arm and a leg on either mode to get it right, don't pussyfoot around...go Orange.


^^^That's the other myth that needs to die: that NSRL is somehow a substitute for rapid transit expansion. It's not...though I'm sure some of the "monorail" pols wish it were. You don't want to be forced to ride Red or Silver if all manner of northside traffic is slamming South Station into oblivion. Sans any radial rapid transit expansion you'd have to look at carving up every Red and Orange station for 8- or 10-car platforms to keep up. Seaport-Back Bay, Red-Blue, and Urban Ring are eight-alarm necessities with NSRL. Needham trade-in is possibly a prerequisite for the Link...maybe a prerequisite for Amtrak 2040 SuperduperHSR without the Link. BLX-Lynn gets ratched up several notches as mission-critical load distributor for North Shore vs. downtown. As above with the Reading/Indigo example, NSRL isn't all things to all CR lines and creates some minor service inequities in the inner 'burbs that need correction.
 
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Re: North-South Rail Link

Last-minute invite to join us and Mr. Dukakis to talk about North-South Rail Link.

With the number of Boston City Councilors being wooed by the absurd idea that PRT will ever be viable as a solution here, let alone a monorail, I'm more than happy to facilitate any noise about making this a real priority over myopic patch fixes like the South Station Expansion.

From the wording of the above, it seems you were one of the organizers of the event. Kudos, it was nicely done. I only had time for Dukakis’ comments and the Q&A, then had to go, so if things got awesomely fun afterwards, I missed out. My own damn fault.

Dukakis comes across in person as a likeable guy and I’m glad he pushes for infrastructure improvements. However, he seems to have really, I mean REALLY, doubled and tripled down on the argument that the N-S Link completely obviates the need for SSX or NSX. Your comment above suggests you agree with him on the futility of the SSX, though “myopic patch fix” leaves open the possibility that you’d be OK with SSX if it were followed by N-S Link. Dukakis, by contrast, was downright scornful of SSX, whether with or without the N-S Link. I came into the room pretty well convinced by the numerous posts by F-Line and others that if we ever work up the will to do any of this, we will need to do all of the above: the N-S link, expanding both stations, electrification, the works. To be clear, we’re talking many hours of reading detailed arguments on one side, versus a short and informal chat by Dukakis on the other side, so that’s not even a remotely fair fight on the quantity side. But, qualitatively, he didn’t convince me. From the perspective of a taxpayer (me) who struggles with the detailed arguments each way, if we work up the nerve for this sort of plunge, let’s err to the side of planning for too many decades into the future, rather than too few. By all means do N-S Link but don’t let the two station expansions die on the vine because of it, that just seems like being penny wise and dollar foolish.

He also played too fast and loose on details for my taste, though I acknowledge the informal format lends itself to that. $900M per mile for N-S tunnel and only two miles. OK, let’s have at it. Especially in light of what Zurich apparently did as linked elsewhere on this thread, and in light of the Big Dig’s partial prepping of the tunnel ROW. But then someone brought up the approach tunnels, which take the total above two miles of tunneling. And also that we seem to have scant ability to tunnel at that cost per mile in Boston, and as I understand it the prep work under the Artery ROW does not solve the challenges under the stations and beyond them north and south. His discussions on hiring the right managers came across as magical hand-waving. And he makes me nervous with his repeated assertion that it would all be self-financing. I love the idea of self-financing projects. I would also like a unicorn for each of my daughters and a few winning lottery tickets for me and the missus. Let's do this because we need to do it to grow the region effectively. Yes, it'll pay for itself over the long run, but it will do that so indirectly that trying to sell it as self-financing is going to look like over-promising or worse.

None of that detracts from my original comment: it’s great that this event was organized, and in the context of what the format promised (I never thought I’d get the full debate in that time span), it was well done and I appreciate the organizers efforts (including yours?). For those in the transit world who had time to stick around and schmooze, I’m sure it was even more valuable.
 
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From the wording of the above, it seems you were one of the organizers of the event. Kudos, it was nicely done. I only had time for Dukakis’ comments and the Q&A, then had to go, so if things got awesomely fun afterwards, I missed out. My own damn fault.

Dukakis comes across in person as a likeable guy and I’m glad he pushes for infrastructure improvements.... Dukakis, by contrast, was downright scornful of SSX, whether with or without the N-S Link. I came into the room pretty well convinced by the numerous posts by F-Line and others......To be clear, we’re talking many hours of reading detailed arguments on one side, versus a short and informal chat by Dukakis on the other side.... By all means do N-S Link but don’t let the two station expansions die on the vine because of it, that just seems like being penny wise and dollar foolish.

He also played too fast and loose on details for my taste, though I acknowledge the informal format lends itself to that. $900M per mile for N-S tunnel and only two miles. .... His discussions on hiring the right managers came across as magical hand-waving. And he makes me nervous with his repeated assertion that it would all be self-financing.....
None of that detracts from my original comment: it’s great that this event was organized, and in the context of what the format promised (I never thought I’d get the full debate in that time span), it was well done and I appreciate the organizers efforts (including yours?). For those in the transit world who had time to stick around and schmooze, I'm sure it was even more valuable.

West -- I guess it was an interesting event -- but it seems to be in the same vein as seeing some fossilized reptile presented as "a live" hologram in a Zoo

Just remember that Dukakis' hand waving estimates [i.e. about $2B] led inexorably to the $20B and counting spent on the Big Dig

As he used to quote the Greek Proverb: "the fish rots from the head down" -- well its time to send this fish to the fishmeal fertilizer factory
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

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West -- I guess it was an interesting event -- but it seems to be in the same vein as seeing some fossilized reptile presented as "a live" hologram in a Zoo

Just remember that Dukakis' hand waving estimates [i.e. about $2B] led inexorably to the $20B and counting spent on the Big Dig

As he used to quote the Greek Proverb: "the fish rots from the head down" -- well its time to send this fish to the fishmeal fertilizer factory


It's totally true because even though the Ted was the only piece that had been bid out while he was officially Governor, he remained the "shadow" Governor for a whole term afterwards when the contracts for everything else were advertised and awarded! Not many people know that.

http://www.bettertransport.info/fraud/HistoryBigDig.pdf
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It's totally true because even though the Ted was the only piece that had been bid out while he was officially Governor, he remained the "shadow" Governor for a whole term afterwards when the contracts for everything else were advertised and awarded! Not many people know that.

http://www.bettertransport.info/fraud/HistoryBigDig.pdf
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The analogy of whighlander's rhetoric to Howie Carr is the most beautifully accurate dismissal of which I can possibly conceive. If only there was some way for you to put it on autopilot so every time whighlander posts, the Howie JPEG is automatically inserted in the follow-up reply. Building the brand!
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

Lowell is the obvious #1 electrification since it's the highest-capacity mainline, funnels all of the interstate traffic, and is the matching compass pair to the NEC. The NSRL study is predicated on wires out to Anderson RTC, although there's no reason why they can't go all the way out to Lowell, Nashua, Concord. There would be a lot of bridge mods to do Lowell-Somerville because it's a 17' freight clearance route and a lot of them can't be solved by trackbed undercuts. But you've seen the decrepit condition of a lot of those bridges; MassDOT can pretty much cobble together another "Fast 14" blitz of nuthin' but falling-apart Lowell Line overpasses to replace. So...file under: eating one's peas.
Several bridges in Somerville are being replaced right now in order to make room for the Green Line. Increasing the horizontal clearance requires pushing the abutments back, and if you're going to increase the vertical clearance too, that makes the approaches that much longer and/or steeper. At least one (Broadway) is already constrained out of ADA compliance for steepness. (And some of those bridges were already replaced about 10 years ago.) I doubt there's going to be much enthusiasm among the GLX people for re-engineering those bridge replacements at this late stage. Of course, if they can undercut the trackbed, it's not an issue.
 
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Several bridges in Somerville are being replaced right now in order to make room for the Green Line. Increasing the horizontal clearance requires pushing the abutments back, and if you're going to increase the vertical clearance too, that makes the approaches that much longer and/or steeper. At least one (Broadway) is already constrained out of ADA compliance for steepness. (And some of those bridges were already replaced about 10 years ago.) I doubt there's going to be much enthusiasm among the GLX people for re-engineering those bridge replacements at this late stage. Of course, if they can undercut the trackbed, it's not an issue.

According to UglyBridges (accuracy warning!..unclear if these are centerline), these are the ones that are currently 18' or greater. . .

-- Central St.: 20'3" underclearance (OK as-is)
-- Winthrop St.: 20' underclearance (OK as-is)
-- Broadway: 18'7" underclearance (11 inches shy; easy trackbed undercut)
-- North St.: 18' underclearance (1'7" shy; worst-case mix of trackbed undercut + bridge girder notching)

That leaves 9 others that post-GLX will be 17' minimum but probably not exceeding 18'. At least this grouping ^here^ overrepresents Medford and the crankiest abutting NIMBY's. Especially Winthrop, where the abutters KO'd their originally proposed GLX station.



We won't have to make a guessing game of it if the forward momentum for NSRL crests enough to at least pick back up the DEIR that used to be a real Transit Commitment before it was dropped from the list. Since the baseline project is predicated on electrification to Anderson, the DEIR would tell us everything we need to know about how they plan to hit the required clearances. It's an open-shut project requirement they have to spell out. The freight clearance can only go away if Pan Am voluntarily waives it, which no DEIR can make assumptions about. And since Massport has dreams of eventually getting some rail traffic back to the Autoport in Charlestown--much much sooner than the earliest feasible electrification--the inter-agency co-signs are going to mandate it too.

I would guess since this has been a known-known from the day the original scoping study was proposed during the Big Dig, that all the GLX field surveying collected any necessary math the NSRL DEIR would need and that the GLX culvert and utility work baked the future mods into the design. It'll be one of the costlier lines for bridge mods, but because those bridge mods are ironclad project requirement they already have a very good idea of what it entails.

Other thing to note is that we worry about bridge raisings being disruptive simply because a bridge-raising is a big and expensive deal that has very visible surface disruption. But by number of structures impacted, bridge raisings are a small minority of nearly all freight clearance projects. The B&A has over 60 overhead bridges between Westborough and the state line in the project area for the double-stack freight improvements project that gave CSX 20'6" clearances in MA. MassDOT laid a finger on exactly 14 of them. Some with mods that weren't even visible up top, like notching the girders over the centerline by a couple inches and and installing load-bearing brackets. The number that actually had to be ripped down, replaced, or jacked up in some way so the road had a steeper hump was even smaller.

So...adjust expectations accordingly. If there's 9 or 10 bridges in GLX territory that aren't clear by greater than a trivial few inches, the number that'll actually need a construction crew up on the asphalt is smaller than you can count on one hand. Same goes for the next 6 between Route 16 and Anderson, and the 16 between Anderson and Lowell.
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

We now have a website for the North-South Rail Link: Click

I'm glad that there seems to be a strong support behind this project and that support doesn't seem to be abating anytime soon.
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

Love the site, but not a fan of the map they presented with it.
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1. Weird line pairings that don't match similar capacity on either side of the link. The most obvious of these is their matching of Worcester with North Wilmington and Fitchburg with Fairmount.

2. SCR expansion shouldn't be packaged in with NSRL unless it's a future crazy transit proposal IMO, especially when the map is missing lower hanging fruit like Danvers/Peabody and Wachusett. Also there's no way Needham is sent through the link instead of being OLX'd.

3. No West Station or EMUs? There's also no distinction between local and express stops when lines share trackage, you can't tell me that every Providence, Greenbush, and Forge Park (such a weird match-up) train is stopping at West Medford, Wedgemere, etc. until Anderson RTC.

4. The map doesn't show any of the surface terminating lines. The rest of the site claims some will still terminate, but they never specify which ones and why.

Also didn't see any discussion of the time frame or phasing this all would happen in, other than this beauty of a quote:

A Peer Review team comprised of senior construction engineers reviewed the project schedule in detail and concluded that it could be built in about 5 years, following completion of design and permitting. With decisive leadership, the project could easily be operational within the next decade
 
Re: North-South Rail Link

I wouldn't read too much into it. All of the initial NSRL info pages--including the state ones (this being a .org is an advocacy site, not a gov't site) showed similar pairings of each and every line to oversimplify for short attention-span Joe Citizen what was being "linked" here and what some of the possibilities are. This is just restoring info that for the last several years you could only find on Web Archive. As you suggest, what they need to clarify a lot better is that this is not a surface terminal replacement, and to place a whole lot more emphasis on service levels than service routings.

The capacity limiter of the whole system are the terminal approaches, and (with a couple exceptions) not the mainlines themselves. So by creating either/or terminal approaches you uncap the rail system's capacity for service levels to basically greater than the population density of Greater Boston...i.e. "the 100-year fix" for service increases. So what an advocacy page should be bearing down on with equal vigor are showing the kinds of service levels here that the Euros get to enjoy on their commuter rail networks that are the envy of the planet. You don't get that by retiring the surface terminals.

Unfortunately, because the one real-world example of a NSRL-like tunnel Joe Citizen is likely to be familiar with is SEPTA Center City--a replacement, not augmentation, that was at best a lateral trade on capacity--that whole third dimension is lost. And it's the service levels, if boiled down into presentation that Joe Citizen can easily grasp, that'll get the public a lot more excited about backing the project.


This is a start, in that it updates a lot of neato infographs that disappeared from the web after the first wave of NSRL advocacy subsided and gets them back into circulation. But same as last time...nobody in the real world gives a crap about Needham-to-Rockport or Plymouth-to-Littleton. Run-thru demand is going to skew way heavily to the usual-suspect intercity/regional-intercity routes that carry the widest all-around density and variety of traffic, and cross Route 128 and I-495 at the opposing compass points that divide Greater Boston and Eastern MA into quadrants. What we need is that one intrepid graphic designer who can sell that third dimension of service levels with a pretty graphic that makes Joe Citizen go "WOW!" and makes every commuter see--and crave--the quality-of-life improvement this would bring to their own commute.

That's how this thing gets really pitched as the 'killer app' that gets the public demanding it.
 

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