Seaport Neighborhood - Infill and Discussion

Re: South Boston Seaport

No public money. If the public is going to build the hotel, it should be operated by the public so ALL the profits go back into fund. Sell it after 10 years if you'd like.

I'm tired of giving away profit-making buildings to private business. Public loses, private profits, it's ludicrous.


And what Boston needs is a 1,000 room Holiday Inn (type) charging $129 a night. People want to visit Boston, but can't afford the W, Westin, Marriott etc.
 
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No public money. If the public is going to build the hotel, it should be operated by the public so ALL the profits go back into fund. Sell it after 10 years if you'd like.

I'm tired of giving away profit-making buildings to private business. Public loses, private profits, it's ludicrous.


And what Boston needs is a 1,000 room Holiday Inn (type) charging $129 a night. People want to visit Boston, but can't afford the W, Westin, Marriott etc.

Any ideas how we can stop this. This really getting out of control.
 
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No public money. If the public is going to build the hotel, it should be operated by the public so ALL the profits go back into fund. Sell it after 10 years if you'd like.

I'm tired of giving away profit-making buildings to private business. Public loses, private profits, it's ludicrous.


And what Boston needs is a 1,000 room Holiday Inn (type) charging $129 a night. People want to visit Boston, but can't afford the W, Westin, Marriott etc.

100 percent agree in this case with both of your points.
 
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Stop voting for corrupt thieves.

But most people in Massachusetts, despite all the studies and claims we are the smartest most educated state ever, can't seem to figure that out.
 
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Stop voting for corrupt thieves.

But most people in Massachusetts, despite all the studies and claims we are the smartest most educated state ever, can't seem to figure that out.

Every project this year has sometype of tax subsidary.

Fan Pier got 75 Million dollar break for their customer Vertex. Because Fallon couldn't lure them himself because he built a POS.
Liberty Mutual 45 Million to build .
10.5 Million dollar loan to the W. Hotel which is fighting off Bankruptcy.
Now 200 Million to build hotel for a bunch of assholes.

Over 300 Million swindled from the taxpayers in MA in a matter of a year. This is right in front of our faces and we sit their and take it.
Then they are talking about how they have to shutdown half the school systems in MA.
 
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They're also talking about Boston losing thousands of jobs, mainly to NH and RI which give better subsidies than we do.

We've had the argument about how we can't stand as a "shining city on a hill" without playing the game before on AB. The business of encouraging development and vitality is just that: a business. If we decide that our public schools need to be world beaters, fine. Then the companies will force them to move once they're done with college - that is if they don't force their parents to move right now.

Life, and budgeting, are a series of unfortunate choices. One can easily (and reasonably) criticize whatever decisions are made.

EDIT: An observation: The areas in FL, AZ, CA, TX, etc. where our jobs are going spend a whole lot of money on incentives. Hence their public schools generally aren't good at all. Middle class workers send their kids to private schools, where they get a perfectly good education...

At least for those who can afford private school (which by no means is everyone), the decision not to focus on the oh-so-holy schools seems to have worked out OK.
 
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At least for those who can afford private school (which by no means is everyone), the decision not to focus on the oh-so-holy schools seems to have worked out OK.
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Horace Mann said:
Education is our only political safety. Outside of this ark all is deluge.
 
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Stop voting for corrupt thieves.

But most people in Massachusetts, despite all the studies and claims we are the smartest most educated state ever, can't seem to figure that out.

More like, the choices are always between a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
 
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No public money. If the public is going to build the hotel, it should be operated by the public so ALL the profits go back into fund. Sell it after 10 years if you'd like.

I'm tired of giving away profit-making buildings to private business. Public loses, private profits, it's ludicrous.


And what Boston needs is a 1,000 room Holiday Inn (type) charging $129 a night. People want to visit Boston, but can't afford the W, Westin, Marriott etc.

Absolutely. It's really as simple as that. Especially those last two points!
 
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Simple solution to crappy incumbents and poor choices in local elections. If any incumbent candidate fails to get a minimum percentage of registered voters in their district, it is considered a vote of non confidence and they can not run for the office.
 
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jass said:
Public loses, private profits, it's ludicrous.

If the private is profiting so is the public. Just not as much as they would be if there were no tax subsidies.
 
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If the private is profiting so is the public. Just not as much as they would be if there were no tax subsidies.

The public does benefit from jobs and trickle down spending. However, there's a great inefficiency and unfairness in redistributing tax money in this way. It would be better to simply lower taxes for everyone or not tax certain things, rather than collect, administer, then credit or refund tax monies to people or companies. Why pay money to move money around when if the money wasn't moved in the first place, there would have been more available to do the stuff people wanted done with it in the first place?
 
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The Money Pit: Part II
By Boston Herald Editorial Staff
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - Updated 4 days ago



E-mail Print (4) Comments Text size Share Buzz up!Sometimes you just can?t keep a bad idea down. And bit by bit, little by little, we are learning what a truly bad idea a proposed $2 billion expansion of the Boston convention center really is.

Along with the rest of the city?s business-minded establishment, we bought into this project the first time around. Sometimes you have to expand to compete, the experts said. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and find a way to have a bigger, better, facility to bring in more people and more money all in the day of economic development.

Well, fool us once . . .

This time we?re just not buyin? the boondoggle.

Just take a look at some of the numbers now being put forth by The Convention Partnership. Plans call for issuing $1 billion in bonds, which would mean an annual payment of anywhere from $78 million to $117 million for the next 30 years. Now that?s just to pay off those bonds. It includes no operating costs. It also doesn?t include an estimated bill of $122.5 million for parking, which the Convention Center Authority insists it can pay for out of existing funds. It also doesn?t include an estimated $600 million for another hotel, which the partnership admits will need a state or local subsidy of at least $200 million.

Oh the good news just keeps on coming.

So to pay off just the annual costs of the bonds the partnership is looking to raise the hotel tax in Boston and Cambridge from 14.4 percent to 15.4 percent (an estimated $26.7 million a year). Increasing fees on airport car rentals, tickets for tour buses, etc might bring in another $3.4 million.

Now if you?re thinking that leaves a giant hole, you?d be right. So the partnership is looking to tap, say, revenue from those not even approved, yet alone built casinos. Good one!

Or divert some of the $152 million in existing hotel tax revenues. Another peachy idea.

We?ve got one more:

KILL THE DAMNED THING. DO IT NOW!

+ Boston Convention & Exhibition Center + Convention Center Authority


http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/editorials/view.bg?articleid=1327018
 
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Are those the new housing projects? I think there's a South Boston development thread. This is far from the seaport.
 
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Vivien Li has been promoted to the new position of president of The Boston Harbor Association (TBHA).

"We are thrilled with the growth of The Boston Harbor Association and the leadership and advocacy that Vivien has provided," said Brian Dacey, chairman, TBHA board of trustees.

Li has served as the executive director of TBHA since 1991 and has played an instrumental role in the planning of the Boston Harbor Project; in establishing of a 39-mile HarborWalk along Boston Harbor; securing funding for and helping to implement the $30 million "Back to the Beaches" program; initiating a harbor education program for urban high school students; developing a Working Port Advocacy Program promoting maritime and water-dependent jobs and uses; and initiating a "Green Boston Harbor" environmental sustainability program, according to a statement.

As president, Li will work with the association's executive committee and board of trustees on special initiatives and projects including the upcoming "A Clean Boston Harbor: What Next" forum. She will also continue to serve as the primary spokesperson for the organization on issues relating to waterfront development and participate in the ongoing fundraising activities.

"Vivien's selection as a prestigious Barr Foundation Fellow helped set the stage for this promotion," said Dacey. "After completing our strategic plan and reviewing the important role that TBHA has played in shaping both development and public access to the waterfront, as well as setting policy to ensure a clean Boston Harbor, the board of trustees voted to promote Vivien and create this new position to ensure that the organization has the necessary staff to continue to grow our advocacy and programming.

http://www.bankerandtradesman.com/news144252.html
 
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Opinion: Hope for the Seaport District
John A Keith, Patch

Boston's Seaport District, the subject of scorn for many years, is on the cusp of greatness. But serious risks remain.

I come to praise the Seaport District, not to bury it.

I’ve complained non-stop about this neighborhood for going on 15 years. I’ve seen proposals come and go, along with constant name changes. (In just the past 20 years, it’s been known as the South Boston Waterfront, Seaport District, and, now, Innovation District.) For longer than I’ve been alive, it seems, there’s been talk of the area’s “potential” with little to nothing to show for the effort.

No longer.

Having decided to check out this weekend’s Extreme Sailing Series™ being held in the Boston Harbor, my nieces and I ventured down to the Seaport District. A great and eager crowd had assembled. Afterward, we walked over to Liberty Wharf to enjoy some dinner at Jerry Remy’s Sports Bar & Grill. Then, we walked back through the District and on to the South End. It was a fantastic day.

I realize now I’ve been overly skeptical about the Seaport District and plans to turn it into Boston’s next great neighborhood. So, I’m reconsidering whether my complaints are valid. These include:

They never build anything

Millions of square feet of office, commercial, and residential space covering more than 100 acres of land were planned for the Seaport District but haven’t been built. The names of these projects are still fresh in my mind: Waterside Place, Seaport Square, Pier 4.

You can forgive developers from pulling back on plans to build during the recession. And, perhaps we’re lucky they did - Boston doesn’t have any half-built office towers and few empty condo buildings, unlike other cities.

But, let’s be realistic. These projects were proposed before the economy soured; nothing was stopping them from starting them then. Even now, after modifying their plans, these developers haven’t committed to start dates. Until they do, criticism is legitimate.

When they do build something, there’s a price tag involved

I don't think I've ever been against any project proposed for Boston. The times I've had reservations, my opposition has been to city and state tax credits.

Back in 2001, in order to win residents' approval of plans for the Seaport, Mayor Menino made a “political agreement” with then-City Councilor Jimmy Kelly to give the South Boston neighborhood up to $65 million in city linkage funds, according to the Boston Phoenix. Fortunately, this never came to pass. Meanwhile, the Marine Park has received over $55 million in public funds during the past 40 years.

More recently, the city of Boston gave public subsidies for JP Morgan Chase & Vertex Pharmaceuticals, both located in the Seaport District. In Vertex's case, the Boston City Council approved the Mayor's request for a $12-million property tax abatement. The total amount of Fan Pier tax credits is much more, an estimated $72 million (and this after only three of its nine buildings are completed - how much more will it cost us?).

Now the Massachusetts Convention Center Authority wants a $2 billion expansion for the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center, one that may require a $1.5 billion public subsidy.

In a city as strong as Boston, with balanced city and state budgets, growing population, stable real estate market, educated workforce, and declining unemployment, why would we need to write checks in order to persuade companies to move here and developers to build here? Truth is, we don’t have to. Our elected officials should stop giving away tax credits.

There’s no public transportation

Let’s not lie about it: there’s really no public transportation access to the Seaport District. The city can point to two gleaming Silver Line bus stops, but no one’s going to rely on them when going out to eat or if they live out there. They’re located far from where most people are going, and few know about them while fewer still are interested in taking them.

So, instead, people drive in, and it’s convenient - two bridges into the District, plus you have the Ted Williams Tunnel right under you.

There needs to be a subway line directly from downtown Boston to the Seaport, or, my preference, a street-level trolley. (I’ll settle for a monorail.)

There’s no grand plan for the neighborhood

One thing that’s stayed constant during the past 15 years is the city’s leadership under Mayor Thomas M. Menino. Often imagining new schemes for the Seaport District, many of his proposals remain nothing more than architects’ sketches. (Remember his plans for a Boston Heliport and to move Boston City Hall?) Lack of focus is the neighborhood’s number one problem.

Recently, a Greater Boston segment on the new Liberty Wharf project included an interview with a business owner who said the Seaport’s success hinged on building "a place to visit, not to live.”

Not what I wanted to hear, nor do I think it’s what the Mayor and the Boston Redevelopment Authority are hoping for. But, who’s to blame for the confusion? The city has championed the neighborhood as ripe for residential, commercial and industrial uses at different (and sometimes the same) times. What’s it gonna be?

In order for the Seaport District succeed, each of the four issues above needs to be resolved. I’m optimistic they will be.

At least today, I am.

http://backbay.patch.com/articles/opinion-hope-for-the-seaport-district
 
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Another well written piece Mr. Keith. Thank god somebody is speaking the truth.

Between the tax credits and I believe is the most important thing our political hacks missed was a good transportation infrastructure to the Seaport.

It's easy to jusify the momentum in the area with all the tax breaks given to Fallon to develop this area. But as time goes on I believe not mapping out a transportation grid will be the biggest mistake they have ever made. I think most companies will flock back to more accessible transportation areas for their employees.

It's easy to promote an area with Taxpayers money for a while.
 
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What tax breaks have been given to Hynes, Rifleman?

Actually I will change that in my previous post about the tax subsidies to Hynes which is not true they wer only for JP Morgan Chase, and I'm not sure the details on that deal.

Hynes did not get anytype of tax subsidies that I'm aware of? I really have no clue why JP Morgran Chase got tax susidies and why especially after all the money these banks have swindle from the taxpayer.
 

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