Seaport Square (Formerly McCourt Seaport Parcels)

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I dont care what anyone says I love how this neighborhood is turning out and the proposals that are coming soon are going to be amazing. All of them look great and will build a solid foundation and then the other important aspects of the neighborhood will fill in.
 
Boston02124 said:
I hope the fishing boats never go away
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Boston -- they will be kept for the tourist value if nothing else

There's still plenty of fishing around -- just not much is landed in Boston Harbor

A lot of the fish in Boston these days comes from Iceland in the belly of Icelandic Air flights

of course some of it leaves in the belly of Japan Air flight
 
JohnAKeith said:
I choked on my Cheerios the other day when the Morgan Stanley lady said the Seaport was becoming a real neighborhood with the construction on Lady of Our Voyage underway.

I ... guess?
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John, the Seaport / Innovation District is as much a real neighborhood in the making as Beacon Hill

There are restaurants, residences and places to work, play and worship -- and as opposed to Beacon Hill there are lots of places to shop with more to come

and with as good connections to South Station and Logan as Beacon Hill

So I guess the only thing holding it back from being a real neighborhood is the lack of the Civic Association
 
Out in the boat this weekend... the whole seaport's plateau is starting to look ridiculous... the whole rest of the city with a diversity of heights, and then this weird plain of boxes of uniform height. I don't care as much that the buildings aren't taller... but they are exactly. the. same. height.*


*don't correct me, they might vary slightly, but from the harbor they look THE SAME
 
Yeah, I think having smaller buildings on the water's edge is not going to solve this uniform mass effect by itself, but also having taller buildings developed around Summer St. might....
 
Smartiro said:
Yeah, I think having smaller buildings on the water's edge is not going to solve this uniform mass effect by itself, but also having taller buildings developed around Summer St. might....
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Is there a height jump in the FAA limits around Summer Street? That is the source of the plateau.

My read of the Massport map is that the entire area under development is 200 ft. limits. (hard to read though)

https://www.massport.com/media/11778/BOS_COMPOSITE_Ver2pt0_dec201_small.pdf

(Also, the step-down at the waters edge is not just architectural consideration, there is also a step down to 175 height limits for much of the waterfront under development.)
 
whighlander said:
John, the Seaport / Innovation District is as much a real neighborhood in the making as Beacon Hill

There are restaurants, residences and places to work, play and worship -- and as opposed to Beacon Hill there are lots of places to shop with more to come

and with as good connections to South Station and Logan as Beacon Hill

So I guess the only thing holding it back from being a real neighborhood is the lack of the Civic Association
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For an algorithmic answer to your claim, let's look at WalkScores

Beacon Hill: 98

Fan Pier: 76

I honestly have no idea how anyone can consider the Seaport more of a neighborhood than Beacon Hill. There are whole categories of things missing from the Seaport.
 
There are whole categories of things missing from the Seaport.
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Agreed. Short anecdote:

I had a customer of mine staying at the seaport hotel who needed a pair of shoes and wanted to walk somewhere to get a pair. He was used to our industry's convention being held at the Hynes convention center not the BCEC. I told him there was literally no place for him to reasonably walk to get new shoes in the area and somewhat ironically he had to go back around the Hynes (copley/pru mall) in order to get new shoes.

The seaport is most definitely NOT a neighborhood just yet. Its getting there though.
 
Suffolk 83 said:
Agreed. Short anecdote:

I had a customer of mine staying at the seaport hotel who needed a pair of shoes and wanted to walk somewhere to get a pair. He was used to our industry's convention being held at the Hynes convention center not the BCEC. I told him there was literally no place for him to reasonably walk to get new shoes in the area and somewhat ironically he had to go back around the Hynes (copley/pru mall) in order to get new shoes.

The seaport is most definitely NOT a neighborhood just yet. Its getting there though.
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Suffolk -- Beacon Hill proper lacks a place to buy shoes -- if that is your definition of a neighborhood then a lot of Boston neighborhoods fail the test

I think what you need to be a neighborhood -- is a place where a substantial number of people chose to live for the surroundings and have a certain pride in attachment to your neighborhood and it has to have an established set of boundaries.

So you might run into someone when traveling overseas who you know and consider yourselves at that instant not just fellow Bostonians -- but fellow Northenders, or Marbleheaders, or Lexingtonians, or Back Bayans? or Beacon Hillites all alone against the world

On that criteria the Seaport / Innovation District is still not there -- but it has all of the necessary things heading in the necessary direction to get there in the next decade
 
whighlander said:
Suffolk -- Beacon Hill proper lacks a place to buy shoes -- if that is your definition of a neighborhood then a lot of Boston neighborhoods fail the test

I think what you need to be a neighborhood -- is a place where a substantial number of people chose to live for the surroundings and have a certain pride in attachment to your neighborhood and it has to have an established set of boundaries.

So you might run into someone when traveling overseas who you know and consider yourselves at that instant not just fellow Bostonians -- but fellow Northenders, or Marbleheaders, or Lexingtonians, or Back Bayans? or Beacon Hillites all alone against the world

On that criteria the Seaport / Innovation District is still not there -- but it has all of the necessary things heading in the necessary direction to get there in the next decade
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Agreed. But the Seaport needs necessities ASAP to begin to get there. CVS (suddenly disappeared from the radar as all of the other retailers at Watermark are putting "coming soon" signs up, CVS is nowhere to be found), a reasonable grocery store, maybe a mom and pop sandwich shop, etc.
 
whighlander said:
Suffolk -- Beacon Hill proper lacks a place to buy shoes -- if that is your definition of a neighborhood then a lot of Boston neighborhoods fail the test
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Fwiw that's not accurate. Several places to buy shoes for men, women and children on Charles st.
 
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