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I think we have a little bit of work before that happens. It will most likely be going vertical next year, by October 2022. However, I do think that what is going on right now is msotly the first phase and bus terminal. CMIIW
Best way to follow along might be the video that the developer posted on their website (see link):

https://southstationairrights.com/construction-schedule

With that being said, Massachoicetts's approximation of Oct. 2022 seems about right (maybe a month or so earlier if all goes well?). There will be a lot of deep foundation work being done once the current tower staging area has been fully established (it is still in 'demo' mode).
 

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I think we have a little bit of work before that happens. It will most likely be going vertical next year, by October 2022. However, I do think that what is going on right now is msotly the first phase and bus terminal. CMIIW
While Q3 2022 might seem like a long ways away...it'll be here in the blink of an eye really. By that time Winthrop Square, State Street, and Raffles in Back Bay will all be topped out or very nearly topped out.

I guess that would conclude the building cycle that started with Millenium Tower.
 

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While Q3 2022 might seem like a long ways away...it'll be here in the blink of an eye really. By that time Winthrop Square, State Street, and Raffles in Back Bay will all be topped out or very nearly topped out.

I guess that would conclude the building cycle that started with Millenium Tower.
I know its crazy to think how much will be accomplished by the end of 2022. Millenium, Raffles, and SSHQ top out.. the third building of Bulfinch starts, Seaport, Then this.
 

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Will be interesting to see what starts to enter the pipe over the next 12-18 months... after SST, the pipe is a bit dry.
In terms of taller-than-landscraper buildings (by Boston standards, so... >300', here's my potentially-inaccurate tally of what could be in the pipeline IF these projects get off the wait list':

1. Back Bay Station tower #1 (residences) 34 stories ~413' (approved Nov, 2017)

2. 135 Broadway: MXD Residential Building South (33 stories?) 365’ or 395’ (pending approval)

3. Back Bay Station tower #2 (offices) 24 stories 390' (approved Nov 16, 2017)

4. 380 Stuart Street/JHT #3/Back Bay 26 stories 390' (approved 11 Nov 2015; resold)

5. Residential tower on MIT's Volpe Sq site: 30 stories (382' currently, but possibly up to 500')

6. 290 Tremont St. (Parcel P-12C): 350' (according to BLDUP, but looks like 250, no?)

7. Fenway Center, PHASE 2 (Summer 2021; decking will take 2 years, then 2 more years for vertical construction): 337 to top of mech [but Boston Globe wrote 350’ in April,‘21)

8. One Kenmore Square (560 Commonwealth); hotel: 314’

9. Motor Mart Garage (201 Stuart St) 310’ (not sure if this is to mechanical)

10. The Huntington/Fenway: 400' (allegedly starting tower construction in mid-2022? Time will tell).
 

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In terms of taller-than-landscraper buildings (by Boston standards, so... >300', here's my potentially-inaccurate tally of what could be in the pipeline IF these projects get off the wait list':

1. Back Bay Station tower #1 (residences) 34 stories ~413' (approved Nov, 2017)

2. 135 Broadway: MXD Residential Building South (33 stories?) 365’ or 395’ (pending approval)

3. Back Bay Station tower #2 (offices) 24 stories 390' (approved Nov 16, 2017)

4. 380 Stuart Street/JHT #3/Back Bay 26 stories 390' (approved 11 Nov 2015; resold)

5. Residential tower on MIT's Volpe Sq site: 30 stories (382' currently, but possibly up to 500')

6. 290 Tremont St. (Parcel P-12C): 350' (according to BLDUP, but looks like 250, no?)

7. Fenway Center, PHASE 2 (Summer 2021; decking will take 2 years, then 2 more years for vertical construction): 337 to top of mech [but Boston Globe wrote 350’ in April,‘21)

8. One Kenmore Square (560 Commonwealth); hotel: 314’

9. Motor Mart Garage (201 Stuart St) 310’ (not sure if this is to mechanical)

10. The Huntington/Fenway: 400' (allegedly starting tower construction in mid-2022? Time will tell).
6. Better be over 300, it is slated for 33 floors, I believe.
 

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In terms of taller-than-landscraper buildings (by Boston standards, so... >300', here's my potentially-inaccurate tally of what could be in the pipeline IF these projects get off the wait list':

1. Back Bay Station tower #1 (residences) 34 stories ~413' (approved Nov, 2017)

2. 135 Broadway: MXD Residential Building South (33 stories?) 365’ or 395’ (pending approval)

3. Back Bay Station tower #2 (offices) 24 stories 390' (approved Nov 16, 2017)

4. 380 Stuart Street/JHT #3/Back Bay 26 stories 390' (approved 11 Nov 2015; resold)

5. Residential tower on MIT's Volpe Sq site: 30 stories (382' currently, but possibly up to 500')

6. 290 Tremont St. (Parcel P-12C): 350' (according to BLDUP, but looks like 250, no?)

7. Fenway Center, PHASE 2 (Summer 2021; decking will take 2 years, then 2 more years for vertical construction): 337 to top of mech [but Boston Globe wrote 350’ in April,‘21)

8. One Kenmore Square (560 Commonwealth); hotel: 314’

9. Motor Mart Garage (201 Stuart St) 310’ (not sure if this is to mechanical)

10. The Huntington/Fenway: 400' (allegedly starting tower construction in mid-2022? Time will tell).
If you're including ones that are proposed but not approved, there's the potential 350-footer at 51 Main in Cambridge...
 

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In terms of taller-than-landscraper buildings (by Boston standards, so... >300', here's my potentially-inaccurate tally of what could be in the pipeline IF these projects get off the wait list':

1. Back Bay Station tower #1 (residences) 34 stories ~413' (approved Nov, 2017)

2. 135 Broadway: MXD Residential Building South (33 stories?) 365’ or 395’ (pending approval)

3. Back Bay Station tower #2 (offices) 24 stories 390' (approved Nov 16, 2017)

4. 380 Stuart Street/JHT #3/Back Bay 26 stories 390' (approved 11 Nov 2015; resold)

5. Residential tower on MIT's Volpe Sq site: 30 stories (382' currently, but possibly up to 500')

6. 290 Tremont St. (Parcel P-12C): 350' (according to BLDUP, but looks like 250, no?)

7. Fenway Center, PHASE 2 (Summer 2021; decking will take 2 years, then 2 more years for vertical construction): 337 to top of mech [but Boston Globe wrote 350’ in April,‘21)

8. One Kenmore Square (560 Commonwealth); hotel: 314’

9. Motor Mart Garage (201 Stuart St) 310’ (not sure if this is to mechanical)

10. The Huntington/Fenway: 400' (allegedly starting tower construction in mid-2022? Time will tell).
BU Data Sciences is gonna be 305'
 

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If you're including ones that are proposed but not approved, there's the potential 350-footer at 51 Main in Cambridge...
True, and to top off the list:
  • 11-21 Bromfield | 23 stories | 345’ (under review)
  • One Mystic | 29 stories | 334’ (under review)
  • 300 Exchange | 23 stories | 321’ (approved, apparently starting this year)
  • Hook Wharf Hotel | 26 stories | 305’ (under review)
  • EDGE Assembly Square | 18 stories | 305’ (under review)
  • MGH CSP – 4B Tower | 12 stories | +/-302’ (under review [the mechanical space seems excessive on this one])
And also since it's early in construction there's the CarGurus tower at 325'.
 

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In terms of taller-than-landscraper buildings (by Boston standards, so... >300', here's my potentially-inaccurate tally of what could be in the pipeline IF these projects get off the wait list':

1. Back Bay Station tower #1 (residences) 34 stories ~413' (approved Nov, 2017)

2. 135 Broadway: MXD Residential Building South (33 stories?) 365’ or 395’ (pending approval)

3. Back Bay Station tower #2 (offices) 24 stories 390' (approved Nov 16, 2017)

4. 380 Stuart Street/JHT #3/Back Bay 26 stories 390' (approved 11 Nov 2015; resold)

5. Residential tower on MIT's Volpe Sq site: 30 stories (382' currently, but possibly up to 500')

6. 290 Tremont St. (Parcel P-12C): 350' (according to BLDUP, but looks like 250, no?)

7. Fenway Center, PHASE 2 (Summer 2021; decking will take 2 years, then 2 more years for vertical construction): 337 to top of mech [but Boston Globe wrote 350’ in April,‘21)

8. One Kenmore Square (560 Commonwealth); hotel: 314’

9. Motor Mart Garage (201 Stuart St) 310’ (not sure if this is to mechanical)

10. The Huntington/Fenway: 400' (allegedly starting tower construction in mid-2022? Time will tell).
A lot of 300 footers for the Back Bay. I like it!
 

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Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing every time I see the steel grid taking shape. Like a living space, it feels like just an extra 5-10 feet of space the current ceiling line would make a major difference (certainly a far cry from the vaulted spaces that define many of Europe's finest train station hubs). Hopefully it won't feel claustrophobia-inducing once it is finished. (I imagine there are architectural constraints at work, but I have no knowledge).

Hopefully the more open-aired entrance archway will be done as well as promised in the visuals.
Are there visuals of the archway out there other than the 1-2 that have been shown here? I haven't been able to locate any (although I'm sure they are out there).
 

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I'm all for infill, but this is depressing... so many 300-400' and nothing significant to stand out and make a statement. I just so desperately want to get something larger than Hancock, approaching 1000'. This city's skyline is great- dense, quite filled-in, but nothing stands above the rest to make a real statement. I dream of one at the garage by Dalton (where Bukowski's is- maybe combined with that open triangular air rights parcel next to it) and one down by North Station area.
 

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I'm really sad to see that this current phase and the future phases of this project appear to be encasing the commuter rail platforms in concrete. One of the best experiences I've ever had in train travel is to arrive at a terminal station like South Station and have an airy entrance to a city.

I'm thinking of Gare du Nord, Waterloo and Saint Pancras, hell even Tokyo Station's bullet train platforms have a view to the sky. Nothing in the master plans seems to say that they'll be able to keep that important element to this space.

The Northeast Corridor seems to have this problematic feature at many of its main stations Philadelphia Thirtieth Street, New York Penn, Boston Back Bay and soon Boston South will all be concrete and steel coffins around the platforms with no connections and maybe marginal architecture that signifies an arrival to a place.
 

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I wouldn't exactly call the former train arrival point glamorous... especially with the deteriorating condition of the platforms/overhangs and bad patch-jobs. Track 1 had that plywood scaffolding for years!

If you view the platform and new archway area as a prolonged exit of the train, and then the route through South Station and out the front doors as the introduction to Boston, that itself is a pretty nice experience! Exit through an "old world" station with lots of amenities right onto Dewey Square with the Financial District towers around it...
 

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I wouldn't exactly call the former train arrival point glamorous... especially with the deteriorating condition of the platforms/overhangs and bad patch-jobs. Track 1 had that plywood scaffolding for years!

If you view the platform and new archway area as a prolonged exit of the train, and then the route through South Station and out the front doors as the introduction to Boston, that itself is a pretty nice experience! Exit through an "old world" station with lots of amenities right onto Dewey Square with the Financial District towers around it...
I don't look on with any nostalgia for the state of disrepair. (I have managed to not catch that local bug.) But, with the new developments it seems like yhe progression from platform to concourse to station building and into Boston is like a mad dash into the sunlight and open air. I would hope for a better experience than that.
 

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I don't look on with any nostalgia for the state of disrepair. (I have managed to not catch that local bug.) But, with the new developments it seems like yhe progression from platform to concourse to station building and into Boston is like a mad dash into the sunlight and open air. I would hope for a better experience than that.
I would have loved that too! However, the South Station Train Shed was demolished in the 1930's, I believe. I think the hope of having a grand entrance like a European Station died with them removing the shed.

I just hope those large arches that you see in renderings located between the current waiting area and the platforms are nice and airy. I've only seen ONE rendering from that location, and that worries me a bit.

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I would have loved that too! However, the South Station Train Shed was demolished in the 1930's, I believe. I think the hope of having a grand entrance like a European Station died with them removing the shed.

I just hope those large arches that you see in renderings located between the current waiting area and the platforms are nice and airy. I've only seen ONE rendering from that location, and that worries me a bit.

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Just imagining that there's all this light coming in from clerestory windows and such. I'm worried that the renderings show all the internal lighting but nothing of the natural light.
 

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“Renderings by Pelli Clarke Pelli show a grand new concourse for the transportation center with vaulted ceilings, recalling the great American and European trains stations from the late 19th and early 20th centuries.”

We shall see. The article uses the same ONE image of the concourse.
 

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