The Harlo (née Skanska Fenway Project (Burger King))| 1350 Boylston Street | Fenway

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When we get a public transportation system that can handle it?

Population growth and mode-switching will force the State to review public transit financing to allow for improved service. Not the other way around. Critical mass is approaching on that.
 
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Population growth and mode-switching will force the State to review public transit financing to allow for improved service. Not the other way around. Critical mass is approaching on that.

Yeah because thats working out great for NYC, amirite?



Burger king noooooooo

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Yeah because thats working out great for NYC, amirite?

The New York Subway operates way better than the MBTA in my experience... But yes, the MTA has it's financing issues with the State of New York. Not remotely to the same level as the MBTA does though... the MTA is building an entire new line under 2nd Ave! It's a financial clusterfuck, but they are doing it none-the-less. That's a response to demand and crowding on the other lines. Boston has nothing like that. The GLX is for an underserved area. There's no plans at all from the MBTA to mitigate congestion on the main downtown lines, because A) demographics have yet to force their hand, and B) the state has crippled the MBTA's ability to operate, let alone improve anything in a meaningful way.
 
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The New York Subway operates way better than the MBTA in my experience... But yes, the MTA has it's financing issues with the State of New York. Not remotely to the same level as the MBTA does though... the MTA is building an entire new line under 2nd Ave! It's a financial clusterfuck, but they are doing it none-the-less. That's a response to demand and crowding on the other lines. Boston has nothing like that. The GLX is for an underserved area. There's no plans at all from the MBTA to mitigate congestion on the main downtown lines, because A) demographics have yet to force their hand, and B) the state has crippled the MBTA's ability to operate, let alone improve anything in a meaningful way.

The 2nd avenue subway makes the green line extension look on time and on budget. Its been more than one lifetime in the making.


The fact is, even with NYC being well beyond the "critical density" they still lack basic services like real-time departures at all stations, still get frequent service cuts, and still get outrageous fare hikes, with nothing to show for it.

Also, their stations are filthy, their fare system is a joke and the politics are worse than here.

So all Im saying is holding onto hope that when Boston pop hits a magic number everything will be fixed is pointless.

If NYC is an example, we'll have the same service, but with more crowding
 
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^the guy above you doesn't realize it took NY 80 years to start the construction for the 2nd ave subway.

hahahahaha
 
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Population growth and mode-switching will force the State to review public transit financing to allow for improved service. Not the other way around. Critical mass is approaching on that.

People in Western Massachusetts don't want anymore of their tax dollars going to the MBTA/Turnpike nor Big Dig because they're sick of paying for Eastern Massachusetts development using their share of the tax dollars.
Until Mass. can figure out how to boost funding for these things without costing Western Mass. more, absolutely nothing will change. The last few Governors of the Commonwealth have heard their call and established a Western-Massachusetts Governor's Office. That segment of the state has become too powerful to ignore.
 
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The fact that western massachusetts thinks it is subsidizes inner 495 is laughable and should never be a starting point for development and policy.
 
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Maybe we should move this tangent somewhere else... I don't know the history of the MTA, but I stand by my point that snarking about New York's system improves vs Boston is a false dichotomy... I also find it very fatalist to think that the state won't do anything to fix Boston's problems... Boston is the capital, it's not like New York where Albany can smugly ignore their largest city's problems. I'm not naive about politics, I know there's a tit-for-tat with everything that happens, at every level in this state, but demographics changes force political changes. Often several years late, but they do force them...
 
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People in Western Massachusetts don't want anymore of their tax dollars going to the MBTA/Turnpike nor Big Dig because they're sick of paying for Eastern Massachusetts development using their share of the tax dollars.
Until Mass. can figure out how to boost funding for these things without costing Western Mass. more, absolutely nothing will change. The last few Governors of the Commonwealth have heard their call and established a Western-Massachusetts Governor's Office. That segment of the state has become too powerful to ignore.

This is like people in rural states complaining how their hard earned federal tax dollars are subsidizing the socialist liberal states. The truth is actually the opposite; population centers will always subsidize rural areas. Check out the following map from the Washington Post:

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The states in red receive more federal money than they contribute; while the states in blue contribute more than they receive. Western MA would break down exactly the same way as this.
 
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The 2nd avenue subway makes the green line extension look on time and on budget. Its been more than one lifetime in the making.


The fact is, even with NYC being well beyond the "critical density" they still lack basic services like real-time departures at all stations, still get frequent service cuts, and still get outrageous fare hikes, with nothing to show for it.

Also, their stations are filthy, their fare system is a joke and the politics are worse than here.

So all Im saying is holding onto hope that when Boston pop hits a magic number everything will be fixed is pointless.

If NYC is an example, we'll have the same service, but with more crowding

True, but if our system is comparatively clean, with a better fare system, and we have marginally better politics here (including Busses' point about Boston being the capital / no upstate cities to deal with / physically smaller & more integrated economy), wouldn't that be cause for hope that we could do it better?
 
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GENERAL THREAD! There were a few times I wanted to reply to this tangent but talk about wildly off topic...
 
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BBJ: Fenway Pushing Back on Tower

Edward Burke said:
“They want to do a building that is higher than abutting buildings ... It’s too big and completely out of scale with the rest of the neighborhood. The other side of the street is zoned for taller buildings, not the Burger King side. It’s a completely different zoning area altogether.”

We are arguing about sides of the street now? And like the developer said in the article, it's only a section of the tower. Would Eddy rather the entire building be 110', instead of a low rise section and a high rise?
 
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lol with out of scale, except for the building directly next to it, and the 2 directly across from it.
 
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There's always some idiot. What's important is that the community got together and produced a nice master plan which forms the basis of the proposed project.
 
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Boston's fear of heights will never cease to amaze me. While this is taller than the Trilogy and whatever the name of the building is next to it, this is far smaller than both of those projects.

Can someone show up to a community meeting and call this guy an asshole for me? Pretty please? I'll pay you in açaí berries or cachaça when I visit in September.
 
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We should start a NIMBY hit-squad on that just goes to meetings and gets up and tells these people they're idiots. Vocal, public shaming is the only way to stop this behavior.
 
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We should start a NIMBY hit-squad on that just goes to meetings and gets up and tells these people they're idiots. Vocal, public shaming is the only way to stop this behavior.

I lost you at "NIMBY hit-squad". I instantly started thinking of a bunch of ArchBostoners actually killing NIMBYs and covering their naked bodies in precast concrete a la the woman in "Goldfinger".

But after reading the rest of your post, I do agree. It woud be great if we could set up a good group to counter the unreasonable complaints (there are some reasonable ones) of neighborhood groups.

The only problem is a lot of these meetings occur at times which are inconvenient for those who have jobs.
 
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