The Hub on Causeway (née TD Garden Towers) | 80 Causeway Street | West End

I think on the water its good to step back. This will step back to the government center office tower which will be one of the best examples of architecture in the city. Work for me.
 
That looks shorter than it is because the picture has been stretched out a little horizontally. It isn't that short anyways for some perspective the roof height is around the same height as 60 State Street and the spire will probably be reach 600 feet.

Diagram image from Skyscraperpage.com including One Congress Tower 2 for comparison

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One uses a spire one uses a crown their official height will likely be almost the same visually of course One Congress will appear much taller from a distance.
 
^^^Those heights are too low, particularly for Pelli Tower, but I think for both. We don't actually know the official heights for either of these but estimated ~620' for Pelli based on certain renders.

The skyscraperpage diagrams have them set to 600' as a stand-in until the official height is released.
 
Its going to be just over 600'. That is substantial for a tower right on the waterfront. This will be surrounded by avalon nst, garden garage, these 2 towers, the converse development, and the merano. Going to be a nice welcome to the city coming over the Zakim. Lots of lighting coming to all of these towers too except maybe garden garage. Having a ton of lighting is going to be a "beacon" seen for miles where you know something important is there.
 
I forgot that the Pelli tower was short. But the other Hub on Causeway Office tower is the right height I had to post links to a shit ton of stuff for them to accept the drawing I had submitted which is not the one in the image above, but that building in the image above is as close to the height estimates everyone here figured out as possible.
 
Apologies for the thread derail, but the office tower component of this project looks like a mini version of Philadelphia's Comcast Innovation and Technology Center

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I'm not sad to say this, I wish they'd bring back the old office design. This one is piss poor.
 
And I will say this ... the building is better without the spire. Its a complete tacked on mess.

cca
 
At best, it would appear 'forced.' Middle of the road, the design is a bit basic. At worst, it's taking from two very nicely accomplished designs: the NBC Chicago/Comcast Philly towers, compressing it into Boston scale, and presenting it to a nimby-beleaguered (there i go again) design group and permitting board.

The result is merchandisable, tenant-worthy turd/throwback from the Menino era.

btw, the astute person who made the Salesforce/Boston Properties connection has won the thread.
 
And I will say this ... the building is better without the spire. Its a complete tacked on mess.

cca

Yeah totally agree.

The center of gravity on this thing should be the corner that faces the portal park - not the party wall with the FleetCenter.

Lovejoy actually does a great job of holding down its corner of the park - if only this thing would do the same...
 
At best, it would appear 'forced.' Middle of the road, the design is a bit basic. At worst, it's taking from two very nicely accomplished designs: the NBC Chicago/Comcast Philly towers, compressing it into Boston scale, and presenting it to a nimby-beleaguered (there i go again) design group and permitting board.

The result is merchandisable, tenant-worthy turd/throwback from the Menino era.

btw, the astute person who made the Salesforce/Boston Properties connection has won the thread.

Odurandia -- you do know that its Gensler who did it -- the same folks being criticized for the wild and crazy Solar Veil on GE's new HQ
 
Odurandia -- you do know that its Gensler who did it -- the same folks being criticized for the wild and crazy Solar Veil on GE's new HQ

Gensler is a firm of 5,000 designers, and most designers react to the needs and desire of a client. There should be no expectation that there will be a direct connection between design projects.

cca
 
I'm not sad to say this, I wish they'd bring back the old office design. This one is piss poor.

...the building is better without the spire. Its a complete tacked on mess.

No matter how this building is ultimately clad and ornamented, its "Coke machine" proportions cannot be hidden. It has the same problem as 888 Boylston -- good materials, lighting, and details aside, 888 looks like a big blue recycling bin on Boylston Street.
 
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^^^^“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

–Woodrow Wilson 1913.

If you appeal to the overlords, "i want some more sir... i want more (MT in my soup)," they will hate you and condemn you, vacate all decorum....

When you think like a turd, ignore good urbanism, act out like a turd, and build like a turd...... eventually people run off the reservation, and call you a turd:

How many parcels have we traded bold proposals for safe, unoffensive, easy-to-do, midrises. Then a decade later, people come back and scream at the BRA, when it was nothing but their obsession with cutting back height that resulted in VE'd garbage.

But we can't be giving the neighborhoods endless veto power on these last places where we can build appropriately, tall. The TD Garden and Garden Garage developments are 3 such examples. i wish they'd left the TD office at 530' (in it's conservative form). They should have built the resident tower to 659' at the rooftip (as planned). And the Garden Garage should have gone to 600'. Good architecture at our big, regional transit hub in the Downtown core with no/few other options for density (revenue) once these last parcels are gone.
 
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^^“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

–Woodrow Wilson 1913.

If you would dare appeal to the overlords, "i want some more sir... i want more (MT in my soup)...."

They will hate you, they will condemn you, vacate all decorum, and tell you they hate you....... They'll throw you in the Charles to keep the truth from coming to light.

When you think like a turd, ignore good urbanism, act out like a turd, and build like a turd...... eventually people may run off the reservation, and call you turd: A world-class city taken down a few rungs by means of too many cheap, ugly buildings, endless, 'safe, (ugly) politically unoffensive architecture' and low a/r garbage... And, for whatever reason, an large lunatic element keep threatening our politicians that it will be the end of their careers, unless we keep building them.

When you have too many turds, building so much as 1 more, is almost tragic. ....We've been doing a lot better on 4-10 story fill in recent years. it's fantastic. And i like the Seaport very much. i joined the chorus who knew Avalon Nashua St would turn out turned out as great as it did.

But these few contentious parcels where we can do good urbanism combined with very tall. i wish they'd left the TD office a 530' box. They should built the resident tower to 659' at the rooftip (as originally planned). Good architecture at a regional transit hub in the Downtown core of a city with so gravely serious challenges ahead.

Captain Logorrhea strikes again.

The same ranting, Manichean post, every day, on every thread. People call you out and then you go to a different thread, and then you start again.

I'm pretty sure I speak for a lot of others here when I say: shut the hell up, for good. Stop posting. Leave this forum. You're a broken child and you don't know how to talk to adults.
 
That's pretty harsh...if Odurandina is guilty of anything it's his great enthusiasm for getting things built and the frustration he feels when projects get hit with the usual roadblocks in this town.
 
That's pretty harsh...if Odurandina is guilty of anything it's his great enthusiasm for getting things built and the frustration he feels when projects get hit with the usual roadblocks in this town.

+1. He may be a little annoying at times but I still think he's a valuable member of this fourm.
 

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