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Burlington and SSP are both Simon malls, wonder if they're getting some leeway from them.
 

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GOOD! Let's redevelop the Lord and Taylor site and build something tall there. Opportunity for height, killer location, connection to the Pru complex = perfect.
 

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GOOD! Let's redevelop the Lord and Taylor site and build something tall there. Opportunity for height, killer location, connection to the Pru complex = perfect.
Isn't there something pretty limiting to height at that location - maybe shadow laws on Copley Square ?
 

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Walking by today, I'm sad to report The Fours on Canal St, outside the Garden has closed for good after 44 years. Whether you're a fan or not, it was a classic Boston sports bar with a ton of nostalgia. Not likely will it be reopened the same way under new management so unfortunately another 20+ year Boston restaurant shutters..
 

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Walking by today, I'm sad to report The Fours on Canal St, outside the Garden has closed for good after 44 years. Whether you're a fan or not, it was a classic Boston sports bar with a ton of nostalgia. Not likely will it be reopened the same way under new management so unfortunately another 20+ year Boston restaurant shutters..
Are the Quincy and Norwell ones still open?
 

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Walking by today, I'm sad to report The Fours on Canal St, outside the Garden has closed for good after 44 years. Whether you're a fan or not, it was a classic Boston sports bar with a ton of nostalgia. Not likely will it be reopened the same way under new management so unfortunately another 20+ year Boston restaurant shutters..
The assemblage of framed photos depicting various classic moments in Boston pro sports history was superb and absolutely worthy of preservation. I wish there was some way a museum could acquire it but who knows...
 

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For those that don't mind a read:

Working within this industry in several capacities for much of my life, Ive always believed in the immensity of creative bodies to problem solve whatever came our way. I worked for Ian Schrager of Studio 54, who then became 'The Creator' of the Boutique Hotel. I was brainwashed early with love for creation of 'ethos' within restaurants or hotels that would almost make them feel alive. I was infatuated with the tangible methods that could create intangible feeling. We would create atmospheres and aesthetics that had awoken me to the 'ethos' and spirit that we built within the hotels and restaurants. We understood to certain degrees that creating something that we could quantify brought a feeling that the guest couldn't dissect. But most importantly, we ultimately always realized that whatever we created needed one critical variable in order to make our business come 'alive' ---the addition of the guest, the right kind of guest.

--No matter how magical Disney is, it is the guest that truly brings it alive. Our hotels manifested another level of ethos within the business once the guests became a part of our show.

My belief in this industry has always been strong with the comfortability of knowing that creativity will win in the end. The ones that create 'feel' rather than just nice rooms or good food, could get past anything because we understood the guests better than others. We exemplified empathy from a commercial standpoint and designed what a lifestyle brand really meant, a connection between inanimate and human.

Now would be a good time to say I am an alarmist, a cynic, but through my rambling it is apparent that Ive always been a believer -- which is what makes what I'm going to say all the more devastating --

We now are at the precipice of something I didn't ever think I would see. As we move past this summer in northern cities, not even the greatest, most creative restauranteurs or hoteliers can survive the storm that awaits. By no means is it just my industry that is facing immense degradation but it's the only one I can speak to appropriately. Once the outdoor seating begins to wane and eventually is relegated indoors again to a capacity incapable of financial survival, we will start to see a tsunami of closures and subsequent financial issues with massive unemployment increases, mortgage defaults, lease defaults, litigation, bankruptcy and all the collateral damage that comes with it.

For many, it's inescapable and I'm in the thick of it and witnessing it already. I don't say this for any other reason than to ask that when able and viable, please support your local restaurants (and Obviously all local businesses). The only ones that most likely will be able to survive are larger corporations and those backed heavily and willing to absorb considerable losses (and as we've seen, there are no guarantees anywhere). The industry has a negative outlook and banks are wary, as are investors. Restaurant and hotels will close and many buildings will stay dormant for a good while.

I want to make it clear because apparently nothing isn't political these days BUT this is not, by any means. I deeply hope no matter what you believe in or who you blame, that you realize this is where we are and THIS is about empathy and understanding for an industry that WE ALL have used as a form of escapism. Whether it's a night out from the kids, the significant other or a vacation from the monotony, it's always been there for us.

We all need this industry and I believe many do not believe that there could be a collapse of the current state, but it is likely, and it would be catastrophic.

I just ask for an awareness and to do your own thinking, reading and understanding on what another 6-9 months would do to those that are struggling even now, in summer months. In order to regain the way of life we all yearn for daily, the businesses that helped form your happiness within your pre-Covid life must survive and reach your post-Covid life. I wish everyone ease from this nightmare, love for everyone and the hope that we come together and stop tearing ourselves apart. This industry has been a territory for all and we all need it.

If you got this far through my rambling, thank you for listening.

Love and Health to you All.

 
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For those that don't mind a read:

Working within this industry in several capacities for much of my life, Ive always believed in the immensity of creative bodies to problem solve whatever came our way. I worked for Ian Schrager of Studio 54, who then became 'The Creator' of the Boutique Hotel. I was brainwashed early with love for creation of 'ethos' within restaurants or hotels that would almost make them feel alive. I was infatuated with the tangible methods that could create intangible feeling. We would create to atmospheres and aesthetics that had awoken me to the 'ethos' and spirit that we built within the hotels and restaurants. We understood to certain degrees that creating something that we could quantify brought a feeling that the guest couldn't dissect. But most importantly, we ultimately always realized that whatever we created needed one critical variable in order to make our business come alive, the addition of the guest. No matter how magical Disney is, it is the guest that truly brings it alive. Our hotels manifested another level of ethos within the business once the guests became a part of our show.

My belief in this industry has always been that creativity will win. The ones that create feel rather than just nice rooms or good food, could get past anything because we understood the guests better than others. We exemplified empathy from a commercial standpoint and designed what a lifestyle brand really meant, a connection between inanimate and human.

Now would be a good time to say I am an alarmist, a cynic, but through my rambling it is apparent that Ive always been a believer -- which is what makes what I'm going to say all the more devastating --

We now are at the precipice of something I didn't ever think I would see. As we move past this summer in northern cities, not even the greatest, most creative restauranteurs or hoteliers can survive the storm that awaits. By no means is it just my industry that is facing immense degradation but it's the only one I can speak to appropriately. Once the outdoor seating begins to wane and eventually is relegated indoors again to a capacity incapable of financial survival, we will start to see a tsunami of closures and subsequent financial issues with massive unemployment increases, mortgage defaults, lease defaults, litigation, bankruptcy and all the collateral damage that comes with it.

For many, it's inescapable and I'm in the thick of it and witnessing it already. I don't say this for any other reason than to ask that when able and viable, please support your local restaurants (and Obviously all local businesses). The only ones that most likely will be able to survive are larger corporations and those backed heavily and willing to absorb considerable losses (and as we've seen, there are no guarantees anywhere). The industry has a negative outlook and banks are wary, as are investors. Restaurant and hotels will close and many buildings will stay dormant for a good while.

I want to make it clear because apparently nothing isn't political these days BUT this is not, by any means. I deeply hope no matter what you believe in or who you blame, that you realize this is where we are and THIS is about empathy and understanding for an industry that WE ALL have used as a form of escapism. Whether it's a night out from the kids, the significant other or a vacation from the monotony, it's always been there for us.

We all need this industry and I believe many do not believe that there could be a collapse of the current state, but it is likely, and it would be catastrophic.

I just ask for an awareness and to do your own thinking, reading and understanding on what another 6-9 months would do to those that are struggling even now, in summer months. In order to regain the way of life we all yearn for daily, the businesses that helped form your happiness within your pre-Covid life must survive and reach your post-Covid life. I wish everyone ease from this nightmare, love for everyone and the hope that we come together and stop tearing ourselves apart. This industry has been a territory for all and we all need it.

If you got this far through my rambling, thank you for listening.

Love and Health to you All.

I completely understand and empathize. My industry-terrestrial commercial radio-is sewing a mass exodus of On-Air staffers and production people in every market. Even Public Radio will feel the hit. Though our issues predate COVID-19 and are self-inflicted thanks to deregulation by the FCC.
 

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No biggie but yes this has been in the works for a while. The logos have been on the windows for months, I'm sure they were planned to open much earlier than now
yeah I heard rumblings but I'm just surprised a 'chain' (they have like 10) is going to open here, now. I mean I'm sure they have all the reasons which I'm obviously not privy to, but from the outside, knowing this industry in this city and what they're up against,thats what I meant by unexpected.
 

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Garbanzo, Tatte, and El Jefe Taqueria recently opened by Emerson. Falafel King on Tremont didn’t last too long. :(

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I have been eating Falafel King regularly since he first opened in the kiosk on Winter St. in or around 1999. IMO, Falafel King guy (extremely nice man by the way) overestimated his business pre-COVID. 2 locations in downtown crossing (within a 4 min walk of each other) was plenty. The third full size location in that immediate area was unnecessary.
 

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I have been eating Falafel King regularly since he first opened in the kiosk on Winter St. in or around 1999. IMO, Falafel King guy (extremely nice man by the way) overestimated his business pre-COVID. 2 locations in downtown crossing (within a 4 min walk of each other) was plenty. The third full size location in that immediate area was unnecessary.
The King is the man. I've spotted him off-hours, walking around DTX, every so often, and was able to strike-up a casual friendship. His is an amazing immigrant success story--he's Iraqi Shiite, and, being of the wrong sect, he was imprisoned in one of Saddam Hussein's prison camps at some point in the 1980s or 90s, before he immigrated, or so he told me. The Winter Street location was a true "underground"/cult hit, I feel like--back before he became "big-time" with the multiple locations. Every single other operation in that 48 Winter St. food court/retail kiosk was incredibly suspicious-looking, but his business there was fabulous while it lasted...
 

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Every single other operation in that 48 Winter St. food court/retail kiosk was incredibly suspicious-looking, but his business there was fabulous while it lasted...
Even the tiny dirt cheap Chinese food spot in the first stall by the street? LOL. I am pretty sure I got a HUGE plate of food from there for $2.99 back in the 90s when I moved to the neighborhood. It wasn't very good but it sure was cheap and a ton of food.
 

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