What would you do to get the T out of its financial mess?

. But still -- despite the extensive subway infrastructure in NY and Chicago, there is still a thick network of buses laid on top of that, and they run frequently. .

The streetcar operators in Chicago and Manhattan competed with the rapid transit operators, while the rapid transit operator in Boston (BERy) owned the streetcar network. The bus networks still reflect that long histoy.
 
I feel that Boston has less bus service density roaming the streets compared to places like Chicago or NY. Part of it is the BERy-designed hub-and-spoke structure of the network. But still -- despite the extensive subway infrastructure in NY and Chicago, there is still a thick network of buses laid on top of that, and they run frequently. Also both remnants of disassembled streetcar networks.

I can't really say if Boston of 1940 had a similar density of service provided by streetcars, and lost it, or if this is something more fundamental. The street network seems to make things difficult because only the main roads are really usable by buses and they follow the old intercity / square-to-square routes.

And if Boston did get serious about surface transit (which I think they should, since it's probably the only thing we can reasonably do in the near future), they'd still need more space to store and maintain buses.

Right now we have a perverse situation where a bus rider pays more (and rising) for a single bus ride than a driver pays in tolls to use the highway (free or cheap). Express bus fares are $3.65 and $5.25 for inner and outer zones. That ought to be flipped around, to start.

The bus network is more or less unchanged from the old streetcar network, right down to a majority of the route numbers being the same. That's mainly a result of the Square-to-Square layout of the cowpaths-begat-thoroughfares we've got here in lieu of any semblance of orderly grid. There aren't that many 'new' Yellow Line routes you can invent between any 2 demand points when charting all the ways it gets squeezed, contorted, funneled, and split by the spaghetti streets between those points. And there aren't that many routes with an obvious "Eureka!" moment to be had in retooling their routings. Even most of the alt routings between destinations are more or less legacy because of these factors. So while there's always a that route or that other route tops on somebody's wishlist to pair up some new cleanroomed modern development with some legacy nodes, the Square-to-Square orientation of the city doesn't leave a whole lot of outright cavities on the route map as a whole. Inevitably the cowpaths drag the routes serving those new developments into proximity with the legacy network and put them through the blender such that the primary pairings--and alternate pairings--are pretty self-evident. Strictly in terms of lines on a map*, the route network is pretty complete and doesn't leave a whole lot of infill potential on the table within the length/time limits imposed by the cowpaths between destination pairs.

The bus district's suburbs are an echo effect of this. Yes, there's a lot more gridded sprawl of historically recent origin leading to gaps that need filling. But all of the inside-128 'burbs retain traditional town centers and/or their own set of Square-to-Square cowpaths. Usually with the railroad or ex-railroad historically serving up the transfer points at those Squares. So when drawing up new routes that need to serve the mall or the medical center campus or scoop up as many residential subdivisions as you can from intersections with the 4-lane state highway...the destination pairing is still going to be shaped by the gravitational pull of the Squares. That's where people most need to go intra-town, and it's where all the transfer options are for the towns lucky enough to still have an extant railroad. It ends up being self-evident what the route expansion shortlist is, and not nearly as much a blank slate as in suburban regions around other cities whose sprawl isn't punctuated by as many legacy-Square gravitational wells.


*Now, ↑that↑ is the simply the story with the two-dimensional lines on the route map. The thing Boston has never done well, and bafflingly still doesn't attempt to do on any sort of wide scale, is express busing. The whole bloody basic concept of express busing. And that is the primary reason the service scales so very very poorly from the CBD to the outer neighborhoods to the inner 'burbs.

There's a confounding lack of service layering where a primary route is overlaid with skip-stop express routes. If the cowpaths make it so that every surface transit vehicle has to in some degree get passed like a kidney stone between the same sets of Squares, pretty much the only way to max out the service scale is with a whole bus network predicated on overtakes. Take Washington St. south of Forest Hills, for example, and how many of those run as purely locals making every stop and shooting their loads on the Washington overlap to the detriment of Rozzie's, West Roxbury's, Hyde Park's schedules. Like...it should be self-evident here that most of the so-called Key Bus Routes worth their salt should come in a regular flavor and an "E"-suffixed flavor. For example. . .

We shouldn't need to have debates like: "Well, the last few rider surveys on the 57 says this % of people need to get off at at least one of the BU stops we've been skipping Kenmore-Packards for the last 30 years...but there's no consensus on which stops those should be. So we're just gonna drop any semblance of expressing and make it lowest-common denominator." No...why does it have to be an artificial choice like that where the only way to split a difference in demand is to never ever skip a stop no matter how many mind-numbing extra minutes it adds? There should be a 57 and 57E paired up on this route at nearly all times. Probably at equal proportions on a route that load-bearing and critical. Did they survey all the riders across the corridor who also need less of a slog to get from Kenmore to St. Elizabeth's, Oak Square, Newton Corner with fewer stops...or just zero in on BU with a preordained outcome that one size has to fit all?


Crap like ↑this↑ is what makes one's head hurt trying to figure out the reasons why Boston bus transit ops are so bass-ackwards. How many other cities have the equivalent of an "E"-suffix express scheme baked in as a standard offering like second nature? How many cities with less-than-orderly street grids do that as a near-necessity for managing their cowpaths? How many other cities not only have standard-issue "E" service overlaid over nearly every high-traffic route, but also seamlessly manage to have a Crosstown network overlaid as a +1 on top of that to triage their suburban routes that are pooling their transfers into the outer Squares? How many other cities see implementing all this as just a baseline operating investment writ-large, and not a mostly capital investment applied per-route and per-stop as if they were building a fixed commuter rail line?

Here?. . .

It takes two decades of studies-about-studies here to answer the question "The 39: how many stops is too many?", and those studies inevitably grind to a halt when they get more than one answer back from the public on what to do. We can't do anything without special branding and shitloads of streetscaping capital. Where other cities would just light up the "E" suffix on the LED route sign on any old route that suits, we have to have special-as-snowflake planning for single routes with special frills to convince people the route is a tangible concrete edifice.

  • Nevermind the political football that was Silver Line Washington...why was the 28X proposed as some kind of unicorn in special paint job? That seemingly simple "E"-ification proposal over an existing route ended up becoming so overweight and neighborhood-divisive on the binary choices it tried to make that it ended up defeating itself on its own overreach.
  • How, for example, did we get to the place where the CT# route scheme's repackaging as Urban Ring Phase I BRT suddenly added so much capital cost--to a totally on-street, zero-busway, light up 2 letters on the LED sign express overlay--that the program was scrapped after only 3 of the 13 routes were half-heartedly rolled out and hasn't been spoken of again?
  • Why is the Key Bus Route Improvements program running more than a decade late with never-resolved debates over stop placement this block vs. next block being used as an excuse for deferring implementation of signal priority and ADA upgrades at all other stops? How does it somehow impossible to improve an entire corridor aggregately because there's one individual unsplit hair locally? That mentality lends itself to forever splitting, splitting, splitting hairs in endless debate.
"BRT-itis" lives on in the sloth bogging all this down. To have layered service becomes equated with a 'build' you can look at in steel and concrete to convince yourself "this is real; this is not going away". What it doesn't end up involving is scaling and adapting the service you have to be malleable for the divergent needs of people on the corridor. That apparently isn't convincing and permanent enough. Boston ends up repeatedly sending itself down this 'build' rabbit hole where the costs for implementing express or crosstown super-express bus routes start increasing hard on the capital end over amenities, and planning stalls out and fragments itself over provincial issues of picking winners and losers on single street corners. We're not the only city so stuck up on the shame of its utilitarian city bus that it resorts to this; the MTA in perfectly gridded NYC does a shitrific job making every Select Bus Service route implementation as torturously divisive a planning exercise as possible. But the MTA and New York don't fear it nearly as much as the MBTA and Boston seem to fear engaging the Yellow Line as a tool for getting lots and lots of mobility heavy-lifting done.



It shouldn't be that way. The route map is nearly complete, but it needs frequencies frequencies frequencies and better balance of hyper-local service vs. semi-local service. More frequencies and better balance through the same cowpaths means less stop duplication. Less stop duplication means some buses running more express than others, and backfilling of the frequencies so individual stops don't become a binary-choice game of picking winners and losers. The needs of a whole corridor shouldn't be at odds with the needs of hyper-local mobility; something is wrong when planning debates devolve into provincial gridlock of neighborhood vs. neighborhood and street corner vs. street corner all fighting each other over preventing transit loss. And system-wide scale doesn't work without being able to push those frequencies further out than the local-most stop spacing patterns go. You need those CT# routes building out a transfer backbone, because the inner-suburban and outer-neighborhood buses--which are starving for better frequencies--have no means of substantially boosting their service until high-frequency buses from the inner reaches of the district give them more oxygen for practical transfers.

It's not magic. It is very expensive at the scale they have to reach for. But it's not as expensive to apply systemically as "BRT-like" amenities are expensive when they start gunking up each individual route enhancement proposal...multiplied by every faux-BRT route proposal that tries way too hard to pitch the bus as something other than a bus.


Just let the bus be a bus in a network of seamless bus routes. Do you need to take the 1 or the CT1 today? The 77 or "77E" that runs skip-stop for getting deeper into Arlington faster? The primary local or the "A"-suffixed alt route that runs on a parallel street for part of the way and shortens the normal walk to your friend's apartment by a couple blocks? The primary or the "X"-suffixed short-turn that's a little less crowded for lugging a personal cart of groceries? These should be second-nature daily questions with wholly mundane answers across the system on every corridor that merits, not an invitation to inaction through overthinking or one-size-fits-all thinking.
 
I feel that Boston has less bus service density roaming the streets compared to places like Chicago or NY. Part of it is the BERy-designed hub-and-spoke structure of the network. But still -- despite the extensive subway infrastructure in NY and Chicago, there is still a thick network of buses laid on top of that, and they run frequently. Also both remnants of disassembled streetcar networks.

I can't really say if Boston of 1940 had a similar density of service provided by streetcars, and lost it, or if this is something more fundamental. The street network seems to make things difficult because only the main roads are really usable by buses and they follow the old intercity / square-to-square routes.

And if Boston did get serious about surface transit (which I think they should, since it's probably the only thing we can reasonably do in the near future), they'd still need more space to store and maintain buses.

F-Line beat me to part of this, but here's my thoughts for completeness's sake:

The problem isn't really BERy's network design - it's excellent for getting a large number of people onto a few trunk lines that serve the most desired destinations. Get better connections to the LMA and the Seaport, and do the eat-ya-peas work to boost Red Line frequencies for Kendall access, and that basic system works pretty well. (And yes - Urban Ring, GLX, BLX-Lynn, and second GL trunk subway were all BERy-originated ideas.)

The problem is twofold: the trunk lines are not running at their full capacities, and the surface routes are pitiful. The heavy rail lines only had four-car trains until the last few decades, but fleet sizes were similar or larger (per line length) so headways were a lot smaller. The Red Line ran 155 cars Harvard-Ashmont, and now runs 220 cars Alewife-Ashmont/Braintree with well over twice the track miles. What are now the B and C lines once ran through to Lechmere with two (and sometimes three) car trains of center-entrance cars (aka crowd swallowers).

While the surface routes haven't actually lost much area since the BERy days. Take a look at this 1943 BERy map; the rapid transit routes have changed, but very little of that surface network is no longer around. And the unified system serves a much larger territory. Route numbered 1-121 are mostly BERy routes (save the 52, 59, 62, 67, 70, 70A, and 76 which are ex-Middlesex & Boston); the 130s, 200s, 350s, and 400s are largely ex-Eastern Mass routes, while the 500s are mostly ex-M&B.

A modern 40-foot bus has more or less the same capacity and average speed as a surface-running streetcar in the first half of the 20th century, so it's not unreasonable to directly compare headways. The frequency of streetcar service was absolutely unbelievable. Major trunk lines like Mass Ave north of Harvard (now the 77) and Blue Hill Ave (now the 28 plus some other routes) had headways under a minute at rush hour. Forget real-time data, there's always a streetcar coming. Even with slow sections and bunching (and real-time headway control is a huge area of active research), buses become a lot more attractive if they come ever 5 minutes rather than every 30.

So yes, the realistic answer is a massive expansion of bus capacity (and some routes eventually converted to BRT, trolleybus, and/or streetcars) which means more bus depots. The long-promised large facilities at Wellington and Arborway would help with that a lot. There's still a lot of industrial land in Boston where building bus depots wouldn't be horribly objected to, and several T-owned parking surface facilities (Riverside, Quincy Adams) where it may also be possible.
 
Somewhere between Charlie Baker, Bill Weld, Stephanie Pollack, and Mike Dukakis, they have to know that a congestion charge is, in fact, a "sin tax" a tax on a bad thing (gridlock) that we want to see less of that can be used to fund the mobility that we want to see more of. London's system has basically no losers and I'd expect that to be repeated here. It is like "Romneycare" in that Republicans can claim it as a smart, market-driven and personal-choice driven solution and Democrats can claim it as a progressive win.

You indirectly hit on the problem here. In London, Mayor Boris Johnson was able to implement this largely of his own volition without needing to cajole people in higher levels of government to go along with him. (London has more than 10 times the square mileage of Boston!)

Meanwhile, Charlie has basically backed himself into a corner on taxes/fees/etc., and a congestion charge will be considered a tax by pundits and average joes alike.

I agree with your analysis, though, of how the parties can approach it. If we have another awful winter (and it's looking like we will), the governor is going to own this thing, and he'll need some more drastic solutions.
 
The Boston region MPO did a small three-part study of the potential for limited-stop bus service along existing routes this summer:
http://bosmpo.ctps.org/data/calendar/pdfs/2015/MPO_0709_LimitedStop_Phase1.pdf

http://bosmpo.ctps.org/data/calendar/pdfs/2015/MPO_0709_LimitedStop_Phase2.pdf

http://bosmpo.ctps.org/data/calendar/pdfs/2015/MPO_0709_LimitedStop_Phase3.pdf

Some of the interesting conclusions:

"Except for the Route 70/70A corridor, the MBTA routes and corridors evaluated in this study should not be considered for limited-stop bus service. Operational or roadway design changes could not correct the characteristics that make them unsuitable for such service; the average passenger trip lengths on these routes are too short to allow onboard travel-time savings from limited-stop service to offset the increased access, egress, and wait times. One of the major findings from the literature review was that for a corridor to be recommended for limited-stop service, at least 10 percent of passenger trips should be longer than five miles, but the entire length of many of the MBTA routes evaluated was less than five miles.

On a majority of the MBTA routes and corridors, the distribution of highly concentrated demand points is inconsistent with appropriate distribution of stops for limited-stop service. Many of the routes and corridors are rapid transit feeders, with high-demand stops at one end and low levels of demand along the rest of the corridor."
 
I think I read something somewhere claiming that congestion charges only help to reduce congestion if commuters believe they have a reasonable alternative to the SOV. We might need a significant increase in bus service to go along with any congestion charges. (Conversely, the right increases in bus service might reduce congestion even without congestion charges.)

Collecting any sort of user fees for transportation at all can also be pretty inefficient. Look at all the surface Green Line POP vs front door only boarding vs installing CharlieCard readers at all doors debate, or the concerns about whether commuter rail fares are getting collected; if we could move MBTA funding from fares to income taxes, we could avoid a lot of these problems and save a bunch of fare collection labor costs, while making transit more attractive relative to driving in both cost, and on the Green Line in speed. Is the push to keep income taxes low coming from people who are so rich that they never spend time stuck in traffic because they go everywhere by helicopter or something?

Interesting points. The funny thing is that rich people would benefit perhaps the most from a congestion charge, as they'd be free to keep doing what they want to do - driving their luxury car to work - while paying a fee that is a relative pittance for them. It's the regular folks that would need to start making decisions based upon cost.

As far as collecting the money, it would need to be exclusively electronic. Obviously, getting as many people as possible to install one of the E-Z Pass deals is the first step, followed by mailing a ticket to the registered address of the license plates that were videoed going through.

In Ireland, they don't even mail a ticket. You know there's a charge for tolls on particular motorways, and you have 48 hours to go online and pay the fee, or else. (I can't recall what the "or else" is, but you get the idea.)

And I agree that significantly improved bus service is a key component of this.

Also, I'm on board (no pun intended) with raising income taxes at the top, but it looks like we'll have a ballot initiative soon enough on that one.
 
Interesting points. The funny thing is that rich people would benefit perhaps the most from a congestion charge, as they'd be free to keep doing what they want to do - driving their luxury car to work - while paying a fee that is a relative pittance for them. It's the regular folks that would need to start making decisions based upon cost.
Funny way to frame the fact that you'd be getting those few rich people to foot the bill for nice transit options for everyone. And you'd also get something that no amount of money can buy right now, and that anyone in a hurry could use, no matter their income level: an uncongested city.

In Ireland, they don't even mail a ticket. You know there's a charge for tolls on particular motorways, and you have 48 hours to go online and pay the fee, or else. (I can't recall what the "or else" is, but you get the idea.)

Similar in London for the cordon charge. See the TfL website.
 
You indirectly hit on the problem here. In London, Mayor Boris Johnson was able to implement this largely of his own volition without needing to cajole people in higher levels of government to go along with him. (London has more than 10 times the square mileage of Boston!)

Meanwhile, Charlie has basically backed himself into a corner on taxes/fees/etc., and a congestion charge will be considered a tax by pundits and average joes alike.

I agree with your analysis, though, of how the parties can approach it. If we have another awful winter (and it's looking like we will), the governor is going to own this thing, and he'll need some more drastic solutions.

I don't think Baker's backed into a corner at all. He could break his taxes pledge if he felt like it. He's not going to get primaried from the right successfully in Massachusetts. The state GOP would never do it.
 
I don't think Baker's backed into a corner at all. He could break his taxes pledge if he felt like it. He's not going to get primaried from the right successfully in Massachusetts. The state GOP would never do it.

I don't think being backed into a corner is the same as him not being able to switch positions. It'll just make it that much harder, and the Dems can paint him as having broken a promise (even if they're glad he broke it).
 
Funny way to frame the fact that you'd be getting those few rich people to foot the bill for nice transit options for everyone. And you'd also get something that no amount of money can buy right now, and that anyone in a hurry could use, no matter their income level: an uncongested city.

Did I say somewhere that I'm against the idea, or that I think people would be getting screwed? Nowhere did I apply a value judgment. We're probably entirely in agreement on this.
 
Did I say somewhere that I'm against the idea, or that I think people would be getting screwed? Nowhere did I apply a value judgment. We're probably entirely in agreement on this.

Though I have long ago made my stance. But I'm not. If funding is the problem preventing the transit system to be the niceness implied, then I rather just have the tax rates for that level of income be high enough to fund it rather than congestion pricing (not to mention if we need congestion pricing because that's how we can get transit to be funded, then I have ask how Tokyo manage to have their system so nice while they don't do that?). Meanwhile for the congestion side that I view that I rather see a system that have the transit system be nice while not have to set up that non-rich people only use for moments of high urgency.
 
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A little history goes a long way. The suburbs - housing tracts, highways, the auto industry, the whole lot of it - was one big effort to stave off a 2nd Great Depression from settling in after the war was over.

How will we avert a crisis? We'll build houses out in the middle of nowhere, then build roads to get to those houses, then build cars to drive those roads, and then there's the rubber and oil and so on needed to maintain those cars.

All underwritten by massive marginal tax rates on the wealthy, effectively taking money from the upper 1% so that the average person (likely a veteran and his family) could buy a (modest) home on Long Island.

If you're so against income transfer, better hop in a time machine. The landscape in which we live was created by it.

Coyote -- Totally revisionist history as well as highly distorted economics

First -- Germany was not the only country to think of highways -- Massachusetts was thinking of limited access or pseudo limited access roads as early as during the 20's -- However, beyond laying out the state highways as numbers on existing town and city roads -- RT-128 passed through Lexington Center as Massachusetts Avenue and Waltham Street -- there was a hiatus during the depression and then WWII -- but when the war was over the plans were implemented immediately

And then came the concept of the Interstate Highway System for National Defense purposes as promoted by President Eisenhower who was motivated in part by his experience in the 20's when he was tasked with taking a military detachment from coast to coast

Additionally there was a need to resettle the 16 Million returning vets who had grown up mostly in inner cities in large families and in rural areas on farms -- the newly developing suburbs were the obvious answer -- e.g. Levitowns

The new companies such as DEC and the expansion of the existing "high tech" companies such as Raytheon naturally gravitated to the suburbs as land was cheap, construction was cheap and access via the new highways was superb -- i.e. Route 128 America's Technology Highway was born
 
Coyote -- Totally revisionist history as well as highly distorted economics

First -- Germany was not the only country to think of highways -- Massachusetts was thinking of limited access or pseudo limited access roads as early as during the 20's -- However, beyond laying out the state highways as numbers on existing town and city roads -- RT-128 passed through Lexington Center as Massachusetts Avenue and Waltham Street -- there was a hiatus during the depression and then WWII -- but when the war was over the plans were implemented immediately

And then came the concept of the Interstate Highway System for National Defense purposes as promoted by President Eisenhower who was motivated in part by his experience in the 20's when he was tasked with taking a military detachment from coast to coast

Additionally there was a need to resettle the 16 Million returning vets who had grown up mostly in inner cities in large families and in rural areas on farms -- the newly developing suburbs were the obvious answer -- e.g. Levitowns

The new companies such as DEC and the expansion of the existing "high tech" companies such as Raytheon naturally gravitated to the suburbs as land was cheap, construction was cheap and access via the new highways was superb -- i.e. Route 128 America's Technology Highway was born

Did you rush over to wikipedia after reading my post?

With a master's degree in urban planning, I hardly need you to tell me any of this. Nor does anything that you've posted significantly contradict what I wrote, really, but I'll fill in the gaps and inconsistencies.

1. Who said Germany was the only country to think of highways? I didn't even mention Germany - nor imply anything about that country - in my post.

2. If you think the interstate highway system was only about national defense, you're clueless. Regardless, the point about subsidized highways crowding out mass transit stands.

3. You skated right past the subsidies for mortgages I mentioned (which helped make the Levittowns possible). Regardless, the point about subsidized sprawl development being an INCOME TRANSFER (which you said was a bad thing) from those at the top to those in the middle and at the bottom stands. Moreover, the point about government-subsidized sprawl being a key part of why mass transit isn't used by more people stands.

4. These "new companies" were able to go out to the suburbs for the exact reasons I stated, and which I have now restated. Employees were given government-subsidized mortgages, and the highways on which corporate trucks delivered goods were likewise government-subsidized.

Honestly, I'm not sure why you even bothered replying, nor why you thought what I wrote was somehow in massive opposition to what you wrote. It's almost like you don't know what you're talking about. Almost.
 
Back to the subject of tolling to help fund MBTA ops: putting tolls up on the CAT is probably impossible because of Federal regulations. But what about a modified "exit charge" that acted more like a congestion charge?

I-93 through traffic - no toll
I-93 on-ramps from Greenway - no toll
I-93 off-ramps onto Greenway - pay toll to enter onto city streets

So, there isn't any charge for using the highway. The charge is actually for entering city streets.
 
I like it. And that is a good path-of-least-resistance approach. But, given that this is tolling related to the most expensive highway project in United States history for which there is still outstanding debt, don't you think there could be leeway with the Feds? I'm asking because I don't know, but this should seem like the kind of "if there ever was a time, it's now" type of thing the Feds would consider.
 
Back to the subject of tolling to help fund MBTA ops: putting tolls up on the CAT is probably impossible because of Federal regulations. But what about a modified "exit charge" that acted more like a congestion charge?

I-93 through traffic - no toll
I-93 on-ramps from Greenway - no toll
I-93 off-ramps onto Greenway - pay toll to enter onto city streets

So, there isn't any charge for using the highway. The charge is actually for entering city streets.

FTA's probably going to frown on that. What Baker needs to do is just join the growing lobby of governors pushing the feds to allow expansion of interstate tolling. It's really the only way to make the process clean enough. May even have to be limited like state-line tolls (which CT really wants to implement) or truck-only tolls so the fees are progessive--not regressive--to the vehicles that put the most punishment on the infrastructure and the vehicles least likely to be paying any in-state taxes. It's a significant revenue source nonetheless, and Massachusetts would be doing its part to join the growing coalition of states getting behind this lobby.
 
FTA's probably going to frown on that. What Baker needs to do is just join the growing lobby of governors pushing the feds to allow expansion of interstate tolling. It's really the only way to make the process clean enough. May even have to be limited like state-line tolls (which CT really wants to implement) or truck-only tolls so the fees are progessive--not regressive--to the vehicles that put the most punishment on the infrastructure and the vehicles least likely to be paying any in-state taxes. It's a significant revenue source nonetheless, and Massachusetts would be doing its part to join the growing coalition of states getting behind this lobby.
I'm all for it, generally, as long as locals don't target out-of-staters (looking at you NH, DE, and MD(JFK-95)) But Tolls would be as unpopular as a congestion charge and probably legally harder (unless there is some kind of national uprising)

Meanwhile a congestion charge "catches" the "worst" (most-congesting) trips at their AM endpoint: we know where 50% to 80% of I-93N/S and I-90 are going to the CBD, where the city (or State, I suppose) could impose a congestion charge without making a Federal case of it.

And you could tax the "donut" around the core with a surtax on "commuter" parking spaces (in Boston,Cambridge,Brookline).

So I'm up to 3 taxes:
- Congestion Zone catches everyone who drives to or through the coare
- Parking Tax catches all with an endpoint in the near-core
- Transit-Access Tax on land (<1000' from transit and 1000-2000' of rail)

Through-commuting that skirts or passed under the core would go untaxed, like getting to the airport from North or South), but we'd catch the Airport crowd at the Tunnels in the PM. That leaves only North-to-South commuters...a problem, but way better than the status quo.
 
Is FTA involved in highway tolling decisions? Or would that be FHWA? Or is that a different FTA? Not trying to play gotcha, just curious which federal agency is involved here.
 
Is FTA involved in highway tolling decisions? Or would that be FHWA? Or is that a different FTA? Not trying to play gotcha, just curious which federal agency is involved here.

One or both. I'm probably getting my "F__" alphabet soup mixed up.
 

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