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Oh, come on. A NIMBY in this case is some 70-year-old Back Bay resident who came of age during Boston's stagnation, finds all new development abhorrent and is especially incensed that their little Fido might experience one extra minute of shadow when walking on the Common, because of this tower.

An abutting commercial property owner with 500k+ commercial sf, who probably commissioned an independent engineering study at considerable expense, is a legitimately concerned stakeholder, if their engineers say "this could cause settling that could cause your property to sink."

Criticize them if you wish because they may secretly fear the emergence of another 500k+ commercial sf onto the market when this is built... but isn't that balanced a fair amount by how much more competitive this project would make Winthrop Sq. area, in aggregate?

But again, no way they're NIMBYs in the classic sense. Get a grip.
 
Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

i wasn't speaking to the abutters.

i meant 'by posting about the meeting (at all).'

wish they'd skipped posting it.
 
Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Isn’t this literally a NIMBY? The project is in his backyard.
 
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i wasn't speaking to the abutters.

i meant 'by posting about the meeting (at all).'

wish they'd skipped posting it.

Ah, I see, thanks for the clarification and sorry for the confusion on my behalf re: what you were actually saying.
 
Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Isn’t this literally a NIMBY? The project is in his backyard.

When you're referring to 75-101 Fed., then I suppose yes--although they certainly don't fit the "classic NIMBY template." For starters, they're a commercial real estate firm, not a residential homeowner. And, they aren't aligned with hundreds of other residential homeowners within a residential district experiencing gentrification/growth pressure. And, in theory, their interests are strongly aligned with 115 Winthrop Sq. in that the tower, once built, makes the marketing of their property/vacant floors easier, in that they can tout Winthrop Square's revitalization.
 
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^^Great point. The same can obviously be said of Chiofaro's plans that will create a huge new open space at Central Wharf, and clearly; increase the value of Harbor Towers' residences.

The abutters have known for 13 years that a tall tower was going in at 115 Winthrop. Choosing this moment to get pissy about the close spacing of offices in the Downtown core is pathetic.
 
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impressive interactive shadow study map/ algorithm was put up by BPDA.....

and after their arrival, no one walking on the Common will notice shadows cast from the twin peaked towers......

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115 Winthrop just won BPDA Board approval
 
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cool! wonder how long attempts to delay this will hold up ground being broken.
 
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When you're referring to 75-101 Fed., then I suppose yes--although they certainly don't fit the "classic NIMBY template." For starters, they're a commercial real estate firm, not a residential homeowner. And, they aren't aligned with hundreds of other residential homeowners within a residential district experiencing gentrification/growth pressure. And, in theory, their interests are strongly aligned with 115 Winthrop Sq. in that the tower, once built, makes the marketing of their property/vacant floors easier, in that they can tout Winthrop Square's revitalization.

It’s an office tower in a commmercial district saying another office tower is too dense in the commercial district.

NIMBY doesn’t have to be a residential homeowner and doesn’t have to be about gentrification. It could be a landfill, asphalt plant, electrical trunk line etc. anything they perceive as not in their best interest.
 
Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

Did they miss a chance to build a true signature tower in this spot? Say 850-900 feet tall.

Or will the Hancock forever be Boston's signature tower?
 
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Did they miss a chance to build a true signature tower in this spot? Say 850-900 feet tall.

Or will the Hancock forever be Boston's signature tower?

No, they did not miss such a chance, as the FAA would've forbidden such a height. Check out the FAA proscribed height-limit map for towers in Boston's core some time and you'll see it's all spelled-out.
 
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Re: 115 Winthrop Square | Financial District

^^^^

Are they knocking that building down also?
 
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No,

One of the ugliest buildings in New England has apparently been set aside because somebody said historically bad planning is preservation worthy.

Of course, in reality, all it does is reinforce the argument that mid/latter 20th Century planning in Boston was really bad. Why someone would want to preserve such an ugly box is beyond comprehension.
 
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No,

One of the ugliest buildings in New England has apparently been set aside because somebody said bad planning must be preserved.

Was that building ever part of the original proposal when Belkin proposed his 1,000Ft tower?
 
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Yes. It was to be demolished.

The person/s responsible for saving it made a very bad call.

It's purchase & demolition would have given Millennium Partners the room for a cleaner sheet of paper and likely, significantly nicer, asymmetrical twin towers.
 
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^ And the loss of a unique Paul Rudolph work that presages the High-Tech Expressionism or Richard Rogers and Norman Foster, both his students at Yale. Steve Belkin should clean this little building up -- in its way, it's as historically significant as any example of modernism in Greater Boston.
 
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^ And the loss of a unique Paul Rudolph work that presages the High-Tech Expressionism or Richard Rogers and Norman Foster, both his students at Yale. Steve Belkin should clean this little building up -- in its way, it's as historically significant as any example of modernism in Greater Boston.

It's basically like taking one of the old twin towers in NYC and stopping it 90 floors shorter. I think there are preliminary plans to potentially rehab and build additional floors on top.
 

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