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Anyone who has both driven Kelley Square in Worcester and watched Poyton Regenerated will like this thread:

Kelley Square:

Poynton, Cheshire, UK


Kelley Square Redesign project

"Peanut" / "squashed rotary" project
 

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Kelley Square construction is well under way and the traffic is even more chaotic than usual. The Worcester Public Market with local fair and a Wachusett tab room is slated to be opened soon. Upstairs are some 48 “lofts”. Opening date was supposed to be Nov 1, I haven’t heard when it’s actually going to happen. I’m not a huge fan of the yellow.

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Improvement from a dirt lot, definitely. But I agree, that building is ugly!

Not a fan of MassDOT's planned "peanut" roundabout. No reason for it to be two lanes around -- that's not safe for people walking and biking. The chaos of Kelley Square right now actually helps a lot with traffic calming, mainly because drivers feel so uncertain driving through it, so they slow down organically.
 

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Improvement from a dirt lot, definitely. But I agree, that building is ugly!

Not a fan of MassDOT's planned "peanut" roundabout. No reason for it to be two lanes around -- that's not safe for people walking and biking. The chaos of Kelley Square right now actually helps a lot with traffic calming, mainly because drivers feel so uncertain driving through it, so they slow down organically.
Locals have never slowed down through here, the mantra is "Clear a path, I'm going whether you have the right of way or not." I don't see the peanut doing much to change that.

Perhaps the future is more foot traffic-friendly, but as it stands Kelley Sq is not a big pedestrian/cyclist corridor.
 

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Improvement from a dirt lot, definitely. But I agree, that building is ugly!

Not a fan of MassDOT's planned "peanut" roundabout. No reason for it to be two lanes around -- that's not safe for people walking and biking. The chaos of Kelley Square right now actually helps a lot with traffic calming, mainly because drivers feel so uncertain driving through it, so they slow down organically.
It's been the most fatal intersection in Massachusetts, so I think we can discount the supposed "calming" benefits of chaos.
 

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It's been the most fatal intersection in Massachusetts, so I think we can discount the supposed "calming" benefits of chaos.
Where are you getting that information? As far as I can tell, MassDOT data only report one fatal crash since 2013, which I presume was the incident in 2015 when an out-of-state semi-truck driver ran over a pedestrian outside the Hotel Vernon. That happened when I lived in the area.

Apparently, MassDOT does list it in its top 10 most "dangerous" intersections, though. Currently, they rank it #8. Per MassDOT, part of the reason it was ranked #1 in 2013-15 was b/c it had a huge geographic coverage area.

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Regardless, it does have a high number of minor crashes, so I agree there are calming benefits to be had. I just think a 2-lane roundabout is not a very progressive vision for the Canal District, as more people will be walking around the area with new apartments and the Polar Park complex coming online. My $.02.
 

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Locals have never slowed down through here, the mantra is "Clear a path, I'm going whether you have the right of way or not." I don't see the peanut doing much to change that.

Perhaps the future is more foot traffic-friendly, but as it stands Kelley Sq is not a big pedestrian/cyclist corridor.
I think the area will continue to see more pedestrian traffic w/ new development and the Polar Park complex opening up. In my experience (living there 2014-2015), it struck me as one of the most ped-traffic heavy areas of Worcester (not a high bar, admittedly). I used to walk or bike through Kelley Square on my way to work downtown, and found it less intimidating than many of the signalized intersections downtown and elsewhere in the city. Granted, you had to be a pretty aggressive pedestrian, but traffic always seemed pretty calm, ~25 mph or less, albeit heavy and frequent.
 

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I saw a woman on Main South reach through the open window and slap a driver for blocking the crosswalk, and I also saw a dude dash out into traffic on Madison, roll up onto the hood of the car that hit him seconds later, then just stand up and calmly walk away. Aggressive pedestrians, indeed.
 

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I'm not sure there's enough close proximity parking for the market. The apartments have dedicated gated parking that ate most of the giant open parking lot behind Crompton Place, and while there's street parking on Green and Harding the area is getting busier and busier. Otoh, this thing should be game day foot traffic hot-spot once the ballpark opens.
 

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Official opening of the Worcester Public Market. I’ll take some pics once I make it over there.


 
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