Rose Kennedy Greenway

I mentioned a number of drawbacks to privately owned parks having a public easement as opposed to public parks:

1. Primary function of privately owned or managed park is usually aligned with the immediate commercial interest of the owner/abutter rather than serving a broader public interest.
2. Over-regulated due to fear of litigation and hyper-inflated safety concerns.
3. Passive and ornamental uses trump recreational / active uses.

Maybe someone can give me three examples of privately owned or managed parks with a public easement on which recreational / active uses are the predominate function of the park as opposed to ornamental landscaping and passive uses (e.g sitting and eating lunch).

I'm not suggesting parks like Post Office Square shouldn't exist. But I am suggesting that Riffleman's idea of privatizing the RKG would have negative consequences.

RKG will definitely improve in the future with increased density of users in the downtown and near proximity (Seaport).

Sicil -- usually the private parks are smaller and less amenable to active recreation than the larger public spaces. I will posit that the best example of active recreation on private spaces is university athletic fields being used for intramural and even more informal recreation. Of course you will argue, somewhat persuasively, that the university typically restricts non-university recreants on their property in the interest of security and safety. However, when it comes to passive recreation, university properties are typically open to the general public. Thus you can stroll under the big trees in the Haaahvd Yaaaahhhd or admire the obscurely erotic Moore and other modern sculpture littering the MIT grounds, or the grounds surrounding the Museum of Science or the Museum of Fine Arts, or the Mass Horticultural Society's 'Elm Bank" with quite a bit of impunity.

Post Office Square is no more restrictive to people having a pleasant al fresco lunch or afternoon chat than Boston Common and less so officially than the Public Garden.

Ultimately, only private ownership can insure the long-term commitment to protection of property -- because the owner -- owns it. In contrast -- public property is subject to the vagaries of local politics -- parks maintenance is typically one of the first expenses to be cut in times of financial challenges -- and one of the last services to be restored when the financial times improve.

Ultimately -- public parks suffer from what is known as the "The tragedy of the commons" in which multiple individuals, acting independently and rationally consulting their own self-interest, will ultimately deplete a shared limited resource, even when it is clear that it is not in anyone's long-term interest for this to happen. Thus most urban and many suburban and even rural parks suffer from vandalism, littering general decay -- particularly public restrooms, benches, tables and athletic facilities.

This problem was noted by Aristotle who wrote, of the polis of Athens: "That all persons call the same thing mine in the sense in which each does so may be a fine thing, but it is impracticable; or if the words are taken in the other sense, such a unity in no way conduces to harmony. And there is another objection to the proposal. For that which is common to the greatest number has the least care bestowed upon it. Every one thinks chiefly of his own, hardly at all of the common interest; and only when he is himself concerned as an individual. For besides other considerations, everybody is more inclined to neglect the duty which he expects another to fulfill; as in families many attendants are often less useful than a few." --- Aristotle (384 B.C.-322 B.C.), Politics, Book II, Chapter III.
 

Particluar things to note from north to south:

Bullfinch Triangle development restored with a nearly complete triangle, Valenti Sq vitalized and host to two small little corner parks.

Hanover St parks are the gathering place for the North End and the rest of the city with a good cluster of awesome public space lined around with retail places of the North End, Haymarket farmer's market, and new developments encompassing. I'd call it a new, relocated Haymarket Square.

Aquarium parks are successful, great for tourists too.

Compact park between Congress and Pearl is in a location to have great success, like PO Sq right up the street. Bound with a new development to southwest.

Dewey Sq remains open. The gateway to the city from South Station. Food carts, art, all that stuff.

Chinatown parks are awesome, keep. Park along SS is good for people waiting for trains and such.

Develop the South Bay Interchange to the MAX! Shield that hideously beautiful beast!
 
Particluar things to note from north to south:
..........Develop the South Bay Interchange to the MAX! Shield that hideously beautiful beast!


Yes, Yes, Yes -- this is the place for Pru-Center-scale integrated all weather complex since any street-life has to be internal to the complex of ramps

This is also a good place to connect the South Bay complex with South Station through the "mother of all Gerbil Tubes" -- perhaps with Logan-like moving sidewalks
 
It might have something to do with surface to perimeter effects of the Common -- roughly square versus the thin Green Line of the Greenway

This is actually why the Greenway parcels should be sold off. The park is just too thin to have the type of experience Sicilian and others dream of.

The Greenway is not a PARK more like a walk through. To much traffic on both sides to enjoy a nap or a picnic.

I also believe the private sector would be creative with the strip but like Whighlander claims the difference is roughly square park versus the THIN park.





That is, if you enjoy using a park with your family in an active sense (i.e. picnic, playing, jogging, napping), as opposed a passive sense (i.e. looking at landscaping, sitting on a bench).
 
Well at least the ventilation parcel near Dewey Square is being used as a staging area for Occupy Boston.
 
Just took a walk to Dewey Square.

Roughly two dozen tents are set up on the parcel next to the vent building in front of the Federal Reserve.

That particular parcel, just north of the hardscape used for the farmer's market, has more folks using it today than I think I've seen over the past years combined.

RKG! RKG! RKG!
 
Last night, I spent an hour in a well designed park with some friends from out of town. They were duly impressed, but wondered why it wasn't mobbed with people. (There's a boatload of answers to that question, but that's off-topic.)

I'm not sure whether it needs its own topic or not, but I'd be interested to hear the reasons. The relative obscurity and unpopularity of the Eastie waterfront (not to mention its relative underdevelopment) has always confounded me given the unparalleled views.
 
Last night, I spent an hour in a well designed park with some friends from out of town. They were duly impressed, but wondered why it wasn't mobbed with people. (There's a boatload of answers to that question, but that's off-topic.)

Was there ever an elevated high way above the pier? Maybe the pier is to thin and you can't enjoy the park with all that boat traffic.
 
No, not in this part of Eastie. The park is quite enjoyable, and watching boat traffic only adds to the pleasure. (Air traffic is a different story.)
 
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I'm not sure whether it needs its own topic or not, but I'd be interested to hear the reasons. The relative obscurity and unpopularity of the Eastie waterfront (not to mention its relative underdevelopment) has always confounded me given the unparalleled views.

It's isolated from the rest of the city is why it's not all that popular as a public space.

Underdevelopment is more puzzling. Geographically, Eastie is in the same position as Brooklyn Heights (one subway stop away from the financial district, beautiful views...it also has some nice architecture, though is still overall kind of ugly compared to brownstone Brooklyn). Maybe it's the relative lack of amenities that scares people away, still.
 
One big difference: you can walk (or bike) from Manhattan to Brooklyn Heights. Many folks do just that every day. The bridge is one of Brooklyn's great attractions, and something Eastie utterly lacks.
 
While we won't be building a bridge anytime soon, activation of the Inner Harbor for public transit and small private watercraft -- kayak, sail and power -- could open Easties Waterfront for better use.

The new Fort Point Pier is exciting in this regard. With more public advocacy for opening the watersheet, points of interest and public access could improve.

Just saying.
 
Looks like the king has decreed that no one is allowed to use the park, as the grass may be injured.

Billions in tax dollars to build a park, and now million in tax dollars to pay cops overtime to ensure the park remains unused.

What an excellent use of funding.
 
God forbid they use our public spaces -- especially the expensive unused ones -- for the 1st amendment exercises.
 

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