100 Pier 4 | 136-146 Northern Avenue | Seaport

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timsox6 said:
I really do like this guy:

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These pix show how much is still open for development -- it looks like Kendal when only Tech Sq. and Draper, Volpe and the first of Cambridge Center were finished in the late 1980's
 
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dirtywater said:
It is still supposed to be 3 buildings. According to the article, 130 and 140 Northern Ave. were sold. These are the two undeveloped lots, and do not include the building currently under construction.
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Thanks. Shows why I shouldn't try to open articles in an elevator (didn't load and then never checked back). The quote cited in that post does it make it sound like NE Dev got rid of the built Pier 4 tower too with the way it was worded - "cashing out."
stick n move said:
^ It sounds like those two parcels got sold and will now be developed faster.
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Woohoo we'll have a squat office tower right near prime waterfront faster!
 
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I really think the black accents help pull this one together. It sure has some awkward angles but the ones from which it works I think it really works.
 
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I think this came out beautifully (as did your photos, as usual). This and Zinc (22 Water St.) make a great case for how precast paneling can be used creatively to make a compelling facade.
 
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dshoost88 said:
I think this came out beautifully (as did your photos, as usual). This and Zinc (22 Water St.) make a great case for how precast paneling can be used creatively to make a compelling facade.
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The facade panels on 22 Water are Alucobond.
...or should I say the facade panels on Zinc are Aluminum? ;-)

Your point stands though if you broaden it to unitized facade systems. They are both good examples of paneled facade systems.
 
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$70 million for two lots. Sicilian, must be steaming again (can't say as I blame him).
They either have high hopes that they can lease whatever gets built for big money, or else $70 million gets VE'd out of the overall design.....
 
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SeamusMcFly said:
$70 million for two lots. Sicilian, must be steaming again (can't say as I blame him).
They either have high hopes that they can lease whatever gets built for big money, or else $70 million gets VE'd out of the overall design.....
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Sheamus:

I'm willing to bet something quite dramatic if not spectacular gets built at the end of Pier 4:

  • the Seaport is now proven "Hot Territory" for Boston Investment
    Boston is now Top of the Short List for International Real Estate Investment
    Tishman Speyer [owner of Rockefeller Center] a new to Boston as a Developer [owner of One Federal & 125 High] with big, very very deep pockets is now possession of some of the last of the iconic Waterfront views
Some other major New Developments by TS from their website: http://www.tishmanspeyer.com/properties?loc=/

Name Region Sub-Region City Property Type Size Sq ft*|*Sq m


  • The Springs China Shanghai Mixed Use 9,686,475

    Chennai 113 India Chennai 4,902,044

    Tellapur India Hyderabad Mixed Use 4,000,000

    Crystal Plaza China Shanghai Mixed Use 3,285,867

    Highland Park China Chengdu Mixed Use 2,634,026

    WaveRock India Hyderabad Commercial 2,500,000

    Mairarê Brazil São Paulo Residential 1,573,501

    Woodland Park North America Herndon Mixed Use 1,444,000

    The Atrium (Dong Da Jie)China Chengdu Mixed Use 1,325,793

    Rochaverá Corporate Towers Brazil São Paulo Commercial 1,264,552

    The Summit China Suzhou Suzhou Mixed Use 1,229,938

    Ventura Corporate Towers Brazil Rio de Janeiro Centro, Rio de Janeiro Commercial 1,146,356

    130 North Franklin North America WI, IL Chicago Commercial 1,108,929

    Lumina North America California San Francisco Residential 1,046,700

    Torre Norte Brazil São Paulo Commercial 962,602

    OpernTurm Europe Germany Frankfurt Commercial 849,492

    Duo Design Morumbi Brazil São Paulo Residential 767,585

    Gurgaon India Gurgaon Commercial 700,000

    TaunusTurm Europe Germany Frankfurt Commercial 645,834

    Reserva Granja Julieta Brazil São Paulo Residential 629,689

    Tower Bridge Corporate Brazil São Paulo Commercial 605,400

    Three Alliance Center North America Georgia Atlanta Mixed Use 500,000

    Fascination Penthouses Brazil São Paulo Residential 489,640

    Florida Penthouses Brazil São Paulo São Paulo, SP Mixed Use 481,750

    222 Second Street North America California San Francisco Mixed Use 452,418

    Duo Alto de Pinheiros Brazil São Paulo Residential 393,472

    Tower Place Europe England London Commercial 390,000

    Port Corporate Tower Brazil Rio de Janeiro Commercial 347,911

    1150 First Street North America DC, MD, VA, PA Washington Commercial 347,608

    Castelo Branco Office Park Brazil São Paulo City of Barueri, São Paulo Commercial 345,455

    33 Holborn Europe England London Commercial 334,399

    Cap de Seine Europe France Ivry-sur-Seine Commercial 327,000

    Green Towers Brasília Brazil Brasília Commercial 292,778

    Foundry Square III North America California San Francisco Commercial 289,694

    Pont Cardinet Europe France Paris Commercial 280,700

    Landmark Office Tower Brazil São Paulo Mixed Use 274,211

    Particolare Brazil São Paulo Residential 268,151

    Faria Lima 3500 Brazil São Paulo Commercial 246,100

    One Rock Spring Plaza North America DC, MD, VA, PA Bethesda Commercial 219,291

    The Collective at Playa Vista North America California Los Angeles Commercial 204,422

    Deutsche Bank Campus Europe Germany Frankfurt am Main Commercial 188,493

    Vila Nova Brazil São Paulo Residential 178,680

    1099 New York Avenue NW North America DC, MD, VA, PA Washington Commercial 177,506

    Virtus Corporate Offices Brazil Rio de Janeiro Centro, Rio de Janeiro Commercial 151,771
 
Re: Pier 4 Residential Tower | 136-146 Northern Avenue | Seaport

I see the 1 inch rule has gone clear out the door.
 
Re: Pier 4 Residential Tower | 136-146 Northern Avenue | Seaport

datadyne007 said:
I see the 1 inch rule has gone clear out the door.
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Data -- the long list of TS development as reprocessed through excel makes a specific point about the breath of the kinds of development, the scale and the variety of high profile locations

I think that TS could be the best thing to happen @ Pier 4 since the original passed Hors d'œuvr that fed many a poor student in Anthony's heydey
 
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The facts that they need to turn a profit on new construction doesn't change. No matter how long their list of properties. $70 mil is no small amount. That's a 250k sf spec office building. That cost needs to be recouped to consider it a good deal. Maybe they will look to manage the property for a while and don't need immediate returns, but most want 3-5 year returns.
 
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It kinda bothers me that 100 Pier 4 was built along the property line on Northern Ave, which isn't going to be in that alignment much longer.
 
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sm89 said:
It kinda bothers me that 100 Pier 4 was built along the property line on Northern Ave, which isn't going to be in that alignment much longer.
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SM -- it just makes for an interesting stop along some future "Boston By Foot" walking tour -- a bit like the phantom curves of the Tontine Crescent embedded in the facade of buildings along Franklin St., or the "square wave" of the street wall along Pearl St from the Langham Hotel to the No. 10 P.O. Sq.
 
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That corner was lopped off the building because of the NStar line underneath, the cost to move the line was prohibitive.
 
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JANAM said:
That corner was lopped off the building because of the NStar line underneath, the cost to move the line was prohibitive.
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Urban infrastructure is a bitch -- as someone once said about the "Big Dig" circa 1990 -- it would have been easier to have raised the City rather than to move everything that was involved in the dig -- it turned out to be fairly close to the truth
 
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Quick note: They've lit up the top. Coming in from Logan the other night (and having to exit in the Seaport to get to the South End), it was front and center. There's a white LED strip of light accenting the top and bottom edges of the black piece screening the roof mechanicals.
 
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Off-topic but do Whiskey Priest and the Beer Garden sit on top of any pending development?
 
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Shepard said:
Off-topic but do Whiskey Priest and the Beer Garden sit on top of any pending development?
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Pretty sure the answer is no.
 
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