What would you do to get the T out of its financial mess?

Try as you will you can not credibly argue against the key point that the Net flow of money is from the driver to the benefit of non-drivers
There is a very large flow of $ from property owners, consumers, and workers to car owners that you can't deny either. You don't like to think of it as asphalt welfare paid for out of income, sales, and property taxes, but that what it is, and you cannot even see how seriously hooked on it you are.

You may own a house, work, and buy a lot of stuff, and so fund much of your car benefits, but when you choose how to commute your choice is distorted by a 1-for-1 subsidy just like the other modes. You aren't some Ayn Rand self-reliant hero when you take a drive, you are a taker just like transit users.
 
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Please...do continue digging this hole. It's ever so entertaining.

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There is a very large flow of $ from property owners, consumers, and workers to car owners that you can't deny either. You don't like to think of it as asphalt welfare paid for out of income, sales, and property taxes, but that what it is, and you cannot even see how seriously hooked on it you are.

You may own a house, work, and buy a lot of stuff, and so fund much of your car benefits, but when you choose how to commute your choice is distorted by a 1-for-1 subsidy just like the other modes. You aren't some Ayn Rand self-reliant hero when you take a drive, you are a taker just like transit users.

Arlington -- cut the Sandersonite -- its not a subsidy -- the owner of the car pays for the care and feeding of the car and that includes their contribution to the maintenance of the public roads

Of course the real estate tax is used to pave, plow and fix potholes -- but everyone benefits from these expenses directly or indirectly unless they are living the life of a hermit -- holed up on their 40 acres with their chickens, sheep, wood lot for the stove and vegetable patch using no inputs other than rain and sun -- and paying real estate taxes from their stash

However, there so vanishingly few of such folk in Eastern Massachusetts that we can safely dismiss that category of tax payer

For the rest of us the roads provide access to our needs in one fashion or another even if you do not drive -- the bus, taxi, friend, Uber, ambulance, fire truck, police car, USPS, UPS, Fedex, oil delivery, meter-reader, etc., providing goods and services to you do use the road -- so it is proper that everyone pay for it

However, the same is not true of public transportation which is fed funds from the sales tax and other non-transit-intrinsic sources -- not everyone benefits from the T -- but they all pay for it -- including tourists merely buying a souvenir
 
For the rest of us the roads provide access to our needs in one fashion or another even if you do not drive -- the bus, taxi, friend, Uber, ambulance, fire truck, police car, USPS, UPS, Fedex, oil delivery, meter-reader, etc., providing goods and services to you do use the road -- so it is proper that everyone pay for it

However, the same is not true of public transportation
Stop. Right. There.

You just conceded that Property Tax Payor's interest is the promotion of general mobility (because it increases the access afforded by their location, location, location)

These Payors want/need the most mobility for their public-street-buck, even when they don't have a particular stake in any particular vehicle or particular trip. They want maximum economic activity per lane-mile-hour, and they want all the activity buzzing around their property to raise its value. Foot traffic for retail, easy commutes for offices, easy movement of freight for commercial/industrial. The property owner has an interest in MOBILITY which is NOT an interest in car-movement. In fact, general mobility is often diametrically opposed to cars. Sure, in Lexington mobility==cars, but elsewhere cars==congestion. Because they so freely "move in" and we don't have congestion pricing, they're really good at converting a public good (road space) for their personal use/enjoyment in a way that other modes don't.

people in cars squat on/privatize a whole lot of square feet of "public" (property-tax funded) asphalt (even when parked), and even more square feet maintaining a 1-SOV-behind-another "safe following distance" and do so for many lane-mile-hours, often at prime times of day, all to facilitate just one fairly-low-value trip.

Instead of facilitating economic transactions, cars congest it and bog it down to benefit just a few drivers (compared to how many people's packages can ride on a UPS truck or how many can fit on a bus or trolley).

Property-tax-payers (particularly in MBTA Zone 1A) need/want to be promoting general mobility with their money, not car mobility. Car mobility turns too much of the generally available good of the public street into a big expensive bubble for just one car which then pounds away until the potholes happen.

Property Tax Payors get the most for their streets when mobility per lane-mile-hour and activity-per-ashpalt-wear is maximized something like this:
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QED: Subsidizing transit (and complete streets) is the more cost-effective way for property owners to maximize the mobility that serves their property; yielding superior returns compared to encouraging/subsidizing/underpricing/letting cars congest up those streets, scare off the foot traffic, bog down uber/taxi/tourists, and bog down their packages/deliveries/freight.
 
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So you see where this is going? Here's whom I think should pay and how to give them the right incentives.

1) Land Tax (on the value of underlying parcels, not on structures, so as to encourage dense & new construction on such land) on parcels within 1000 feet of Commuter (Zone 1A, 1, & 2), Subway, or Silver Line, and second tier for those between 1000 and 2000 feet of Subway.

2) Congestion Charge, for any trip entering "the core"
North Boundary: Grand Junction (Mass Ave to North Station)
West Boundary: Mass Ave (GJ to SW Linear Park
South Boundary S and SW Linear Park + I-90 as far as the TWT
Northeast Boundary: Water's edge from TWT to North Point

Spend it all on mobility to, around, and through the core.
 
Parking spaces are very expensive to build, especially when it comes to garages. Much of this space is unused for large portions of a day - for example, at malls or big box stores.

The prices of the products sold in the commercial establishments using that parking reflect the cost of building and maintaining those parking spaces. However you arrived at a given location, you pay for the parking.

Secondly, the biggest reason roads and highways are used to the degree that they are is that driving has been given the VAST majority of government subsidies with regard to transportation over the last several decades. The auto share of public funding is probably more than 95% of all transportation funding when added up since the 50s.

This has made driving the default. Moreover, government subsidies to home ownership in the suburbs only further underwrote the auto lifestyle. Had those subsidies not existed, the share of people living in dense, urban cores would be much higher, and the demand for transit/ped/bike infrastructure would be much higher.

It's like telling someone to eat vegetables, and then subsidizing candy bars and soda. If driving has been made much more convenient because of tax dollars (and it has), then people will drive.

If the same exact share of money that's been spent on roads/highways over the last several decades had been spent on trains and buses, guess which one more people would be using these days. And I'm not saying it should have been that way necessarily, but just entertain the thought for a second.

And the statement that "everyone" benefits from roads while "not everyone" benefits from transit is absurd. Millions of people get to work via transit, including to the very industries and jobs that power our economy. Kendall Sq.'s stop on the Red Line is enough evidence of this by itself, but you could also visit a few others.

Moreover, anyone on the train is not driving - and therefore is not adding to congestion for motorists commuting to work, as well as all those other vehicles mentioned like ambulances, delivery trucks, etc. Arlington's gif make this point very well.

In short, had apartments/condos in city centers and subways/HSR/BRT/bike lanes been subsidized like suburban homes and highways have, we'd have a very different pattern of living right now. And statements about how auto infrastructure therefore provides "access" to needs would be incorrect.

Your precious roads were built by a marginal tax rate of 90% on the very wealthy during the mid-20th century. Those interstates that Eisenhower dropped out there were the very definition of big government. It was INCOME TRANSFER, which is apparently a bad thing.
 
A little history goes a long way. The suburbs - housing tracts, highways, the auto industry, the whole lot of it - was one big effort to stave off a 2nd Great Depression from settling in after the war was over.

How will we avert a crisis? We'll build houses out in the middle of nowhere, then build roads to get to those houses, then build cars to drive those roads, and then there's the rubber and oil and so on needed to maintain those cars.

All underwritten by massive marginal tax rates on the wealthy, effectively taking money from the upper 1% so that the average person (likely a veteran and his family) could buy a (modest) home on Long Island.

If you're so against income transfer, better hop in a time machine. The landscape in which we live was created by it.
 
So you see where this is going? Here's whom I think should pay and how to give them the right incentives.

1) Land Tax (on the value of underlying parcels, not on structures, so as to encourage dense & new construction on such land) on parcels within 1000 feet of Commuter (Zone 1A, 1, & 2), Subway, or Silver Line, and second tier for those between 1000 and 2000 feet of Subway.

2) Congestion Charge, for any trip entering "the core"
North Boundary: Grand Junction (Mass Ave to North Station)
West Boundary: Mass Ave (GJ to SW Linear Park
South Boundary S and SW Linear Park + I-90 as far as the TWT
Northeast Boundary: Water's edge from TWT to North Point

Spend it all on mobility to, around, and through the core.

Hard to see a congestion charge being implemented in Boston, but another disaster of a winter just might do it. Traditionally, there would be very little constituency to argue forcefully in favor, while there would be a very angry/active constituency to fight against it. Hence why it has so rarely worked out. London is an exception, of course, but also a different context/environment.
 
Hard to see a congestion charge being implemented in Boston, but another disaster of a winter just might do it. Traditionally, there would be very little constituency to argue forcefully in favor, while there would be a very angry/active constituency to fight against it.
I can't disagree with any of this, except to say that unless something changes, nothing changes.
Hence why it has so rarely worked out.
Congestion charges are kind of a "crisis" thing, it is true, but it is truer to say that they've been rarely implemented, not that they rarely work out.

You need the right mix of "rich city", a population rich-enough for cars, and a history of pro-car development that has choked on traffic, so you end up with a short list like London, Stockholm, Singapore, & Milan. We also have a
"training wheels" version in dynamic pricing of HOT lanes/bypasses in San Diego, LA, Northern Virginia and several in Maryland.

In Paris (and a number of peer cities in Continental Europe) planning is already so freakishly pro-transit (by our standards) and gas is so heavily taxed that they don't really have a core that suffers from cars in quite the same way we do in the USA.
London is an exception, of course, but also a different context/environment.
Except that London is really enough like NYC and BOS and DC, both in its political culture and geography that a congestion charge could be the same success here if only somebody had the courage to try it.

Somewhere between Charlie Baker, Bill Weld, Stephanie Pollack, and Mike Dukakis, they have to know that a congestion charge is, in fact, a "sin tax" a tax on a bad thing (gridlock) that we want to see less of that can be used to fund the mobility that we want to see more of. London's system has basically no losers and I'd expect that to be repeated here. It is like "Romneycare" in that Republicans can claim it as a smart, market-driven and personal-choice driven solution and Democrats can claim it as a progressive win.
 
Arlington, your GIF is a little misleading as you assume the trolly is fully occupied, but the cards are have only one passenger. Cars are frequently occupied by more than one person and trolleys frequently occupied by less than 100% occupancy. So its not as bad as that makes it seem. I understand the main point, though.
 
Arlington, your GIF is a little misleading as you assume the trolly is fully occupied, but the cards are have only one passenger. Cars are frequently occupied by more than one person and trolleys frequently occupied by less than 100% occupancy. So its not as bad as that makes it seem. I understand the main point, though.

If we're talking rush hour that trolley is well over-capacity and most cars still have just one occupant.
 
Arlington, your GIF is a little misleading as you assume the trolly is fully occupied, but the cards are have only one passenger. Cars are frequently occupied by more than one person and trolleys frequently occupied by less than 100% occupancy. So its not as bad as that makes it seem. I understand the main point, though.

According to AASHTO's CTPP profiles: 84% of drivers who drove to their workplace in Boston, did so alone. 13% did so in a 2-person carpool, 3% in a three person.

I think the GIF definitely leans heavily towards to "as bad as it seems" end of things.
 
I think I read something somewhere claiming that congestion charges only help to reduce congestion if commuters believe they have a reasonable alternative to the SOV. We might need a significant increase in bus service to go along with any congestion charges. (Conversely, the right increases in bus service might reduce congestion even without congestion charges.)

Collecting any sort of user fees for transportation at all can also be pretty inefficient. Look at all the surface Green Line POP vs front door only boarding vs installing CharlieCard readers at all doors debate, or the concerns about whether commuter rail fares are getting collected; if we could move MBTA funding from fares to income taxes, we could avoid a lot of these problems and save a bunch of fare collection labor costs, while making transit more attractive relative to driving in both cost, and on the Green Line in speed. Is the push to keep income taxes low coming from people who are so rich that they never spend time stuck in traffic because they go everywhere by helicopter or something?
 
According to AASHTO's CTPP profiles: 84% of drivers who drove to their workplace in Boston, did so alone. 13% did so in a 2-person carpool, 3% in a three person.

I think the GIF definitely leans heavily towards to "as bad as it seems" end of things.
The GIF has something like 50 cars. If you let the cars reduce their footprint by carpooling, you'd add an intermediate frame with
42 SOVs
3 2OVs (6 people, a savings of 3 cars)
1 3OVs (3 people, a savings of 2 cars)
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45 Cars (with rounding)...at most a 10% savings. So at its most inaccurate, the picture is ~90% correct, which is as good as six sigma as far as this forum goes. ;-)

Or keep the number of cars and simply turn the ~10 non-drivers in all the putative carpools into standees on the streetcar, and the picture is restored to 100% correct (and is a fair depiction of many rush-hour vehicles).

For the record, the image is from Toronto.
 
I think I read something somewhere claiming that congestion charges only help to reduce congestion if commuters believe they have a reasonable alternative to the SOV.
Given that Boston already has a very high walk/transit/bike share, and unusually pervasive CR coverage, we're about as ready as any city can be (along with DC and NYC). People know the T is there, and the collateral idea is that 100% of congestion-charge revenues get poured into making the alternatives even more reasonable.
 
congestion charges and improving transit

During rush hour, there are still plenty of bus routes that don't have 15 minute or better headways, or that do have better than 15 minute headways but tend to have overcrowding. I think if we were really ready to get people out of SOVs we'd have been adding bus service to keep up with increasing demand (and the disconnect between the GreenDOT mode shift goals and the non-change in quantity of buses in the MBTA fleet is crazy), but I do agree that spending 100% of congestion charge revenue (minus any overhead) on improving transit service would be the right way to make a congestion charge work.

(Also, improving commuter rail service frequency and getting north side commuters further into Boston somehow would be useful.)
 
I feel that Boston has less bus service density roaming the streets compared to places like Chicago or NY. Part of it is the BERy-designed hub-and-spoke structure of the network. But still -- despite the extensive subway infrastructure in NY and Chicago, there is still a thick network of buses laid on top of that, and they run frequently. Also both remnants of disassembled streetcar networks.

I can't really say if Boston of 1940 had a similar density of service provided by streetcars, and lost it, or if this is something more fundamental. The street network seems to make things difficult because only the main roads are really usable by buses and they follow the old intercity / square-to-square routes.

And if Boston did get serious about surface transit (which I think they should, since it's probably the only thing we can reasonably do in the near future), they'd still need more space to store and maintain buses.

Right now we have a perverse situation where a bus rider pays more (and rising) for a single bus ride than a driver pays in tolls to use the highway (free or cheap). Express bus fares are $3.65 and $5.25 for inner and outer zones. That ought to be flipped around, to start.
 
. But still -- despite the extensive subway infrastructure in NY and Chicago, there is still a thick network of buses laid on top of that, and they run frequently. .

The streetcar operators in Chicago and Manhattan competed with the rapid transit operators, while the rapid transit operator in Boston (BERy) owned the streetcar network. The bus networks still reflect that long histoy.
 
I feel that Boston has less bus service density roaming the streets compared to places like Chicago or NY. Part of it is the BERy-designed hub-and-spoke structure of the network. But still -- despite the extensive subway infrastructure in NY and Chicago, there is still a thick network of buses laid on top of that, and they run frequently. Also both remnants of disassembled streetcar networks.

I can't really say if Boston of 1940 had a similar density of service provided by streetcars, and lost it, or if this is something more fundamental. The street network seems to make things difficult because only the main roads are really usable by buses and they follow the old intercity / square-to-square routes.

And if Boston did get serious about surface transit (which I think they should, since it's probably the only thing we can reasonably do in the near future), they'd still need more space to store and maintain buses.

Right now we have a perverse situation where a bus rider pays more (and rising) for a single bus ride than a driver pays in tolls to use the highway (free or cheap). Express bus fares are $3.65 and $5.25 for inner and outer zones. That ought to be flipped around, to start.

The bus network is more or less unchanged from the old streetcar network, right down to a majority of the route numbers being the same. That's mainly a result of the Square-to-Square layout of the cowpaths-begat-thoroughfares we've got here in lieu of any semblance of orderly grid. There aren't that many 'new' Yellow Line routes you can invent between any 2 demand points when charting all the ways it gets squeezed, contorted, funneled, and split by the spaghetti streets between those points. And there aren't that many routes with an obvious "Eureka!" moment to be had in retooling their routings. Even most of the alt routings between destinations are more or less legacy because of these factors. So while there's always a that route or that other route tops on somebody's wishlist to pair up some new cleanroomed modern development with some legacy nodes, the Square-to-Square orientation of the city doesn't leave a whole lot of outright cavities on the route map as a whole. Inevitably the cowpaths drag the routes serving those new developments into proximity with the legacy network and put them through the blender such that the primary pairings--and alternate pairings--are pretty self-evident. Strictly in terms of lines on a map*, the route network is pretty complete and doesn't leave a whole lot of infill potential on the table within the length/time limits imposed by the cowpaths between destination pairs.

The bus district's suburbs are an echo effect of this. Yes, there's a lot more gridded sprawl of historically recent origin leading to gaps that need filling. But all of the inside-128 'burbs retain traditional town centers and/or their own set of Square-to-Square cowpaths. Usually with the railroad or ex-railroad historically serving up the transfer points at those Squares. So when drawing up new routes that need to serve the mall or the medical center campus or scoop up as many residential subdivisions as you can from intersections with the 4-lane state highway...the destination pairing is still going to be shaped by the gravitational pull of the Squares. That's where people most need to go intra-town, and it's where all the transfer options are for the towns lucky enough to still have an extant railroad. It ends up being self-evident what the route expansion shortlist is, and not nearly as much a blank slate as in suburban regions around other cities whose sprawl isn't punctuated by as many legacy-Square gravitational wells.


*Now, ↑that↑ is the simply the story with the two-dimensional lines on the route map. The thing Boston has never done well, and bafflingly still doesn't attempt to do on any sort of wide scale, is express busing. The whole bloody basic concept of express busing. And that is the primary reason the service scales so very very poorly from the CBD to the outer neighborhoods to the inner 'burbs.

There's a confounding lack of service layering where a primary route is overlaid with skip-stop express routes. If the cowpaths make it so that every surface transit vehicle has to in some degree get passed like a kidney stone between the same sets of Squares, pretty much the only way to max out the service scale is with a whole bus network predicated on overtakes. Take Washington St. south of Forest Hills, for example, and how many of those run as purely locals making every stop and shooting their loads on the Washington overlap to the detriment of Rozzie's, West Roxbury's, Hyde Park's schedules. Like...it should be self-evident here that most of the so-called Key Bus Routes worth their salt should come in a regular flavor and an "E"-suffixed flavor. For example. . .

We shouldn't need to have debates like: "Well, the last few rider surveys on the 57 says this % of people need to get off at at least one of the BU stops we've been skipping Kenmore-Packards for the last 30 years...but there's no consensus on which stops those should be. So we're just gonna drop any semblance of expressing and make it lowest-common denominator." No...why does it have to be an artificial choice like that where the only way to split a difference in demand is to never ever skip a stop no matter how many mind-numbing extra minutes it adds? There should be a 57 and 57E paired up on this route at nearly all times. Probably at equal proportions on a route that load-bearing and critical. Did they survey all the riders across the corridor who also need less of a slog to get from Kenmore to St. Elizabeth's, Oak Square, Newton Corner with fewer stops...or just zero in on BU with a preordained outcome that one size has to fit all?


Crap like ↑this↑ is what makes one's head hurt trying to figure out the reasons why Boston bus transit ops are so bass-ackwards. How many other cities have the equivalent of an "E"-suffix express scheme baked in as a standard offering like second nature? How many cities with less-than-orderly street grids do that as a near-necessity for managing their cowpaths? How many other cities not only have standard-issue "E" service overlaid over nearly every high-traffic route, but also seamlessly manage to have a Crosstown network overlaid as a +1 on top of that to triage their suburban routes that are pooling their transfers into the outer Squares? How many other cities see implementing all this as just a baseline operating investment writ-large, and not a mostly capital investment applied per-route and per-stop as if they were building a fixed commuter rail line?

Here?. . .

It takes two decades of studies-about-studies here to answer the question "The 39: how many stops is too many?", and those studies inevitably grind to a halt when they get more than one answer back from the public on what to do. We can't do anything without special branding and shitloads of streetscaping capital. Where other cities would just light up the "E" suffix on the LED route sign on any old route that suits, we have to have special-as-snowflake planning for single routes with special frills to convince people the route is a tangible concrete edifice.

  • Nevermind the political football that was Silver Line Washington...why was the 28X proposed as some kind of unicorn in special paint job? That seemingly simple "E"-ification proposal over an existing route ended up becoming so overweight and neighborhood-divisive on the binary choices it tried to make that it ended up defeating itself on its own overreach.
  • How, for example, did we get to the place where the CT# route scheme's repackaging as Urban Ring Phase I BRT suddenly added so much capital cost--to a totally on-street, zero-busway, light up 2 letters on the LED sign express overlay--that the program was scrapped after only 3 of the 13 routes were half-heartedly rolled out and hasn't been spoken of again?
  • Why is the Key Bus Route Improvements program running more than a decade late with never-resolved debates over stop placement this block vs. next block being used as an excuse for deferring implementation of signal priority and ADA upgrades at all other stops? How does it somehow impossible to improve an entire corridor aggregately because there's one individual unsplit hair locally? That mentality lends itself to forever splitting, splitting, splitting hairs in endless debate.
"BRT-itis" lives on in the sloth bogging all this down. To have layered service becomes equated with a 'build' you can look at in steel and concrete to convince yourself "this is real; this is not going away". What it doesn't end up involving is scaling and adapting the service you have to be malleable for the divergent needs of people on the corridor. That apparently isn't convincing and permanent enough. Boston ends up repeatedly sending itself down this 'build' rabbit hole where the costs for implementing express or crosstown super-express bus routes start increasing hard on the capital end over amenities, and planning stalls out and fragments itself over provincial issues of picking winners and losers on single street corners. We're not the only city so stuck up on the shame of its utilitarian city bus that it resorts to this; the MTA in perfectly gridded NYC does a shitrific job making every Select Bus Service route implementation as torturously divisive a planning exercise as possible. But the MTA and New York don't fear it nearly as much as the MBTA and Boston seem to fear engaging the Yellow Line as a tool for getting lots and lots of mobility heavy-lifting done.



It shouldn't be that way. The route map is nearly complete, but it needs frequencies frequencies frequencies and better balance of hyper-local service vs. semi-local service. More frequencies and better balance through the same cowpaths means less stop duplication. Less stop duplication means some buses running more express than others, and backfilling of the frequencies so individual stops don't become a binary-choice game of picking winners and losers. The needs of a whole corridor shouldn't be at odds with the needs of hyper-local mobility; something is wrong when planning debates devolve into provincial gridlock of neighborhood vs. neighborhood and street corner vs. street corner all fighting each other over preventing transit loss. And system-wide scale doesn't work without being able to push those frequencies further out than the local-most stop spacing patterns go. You need those CT# routes building out a transfer backbone, because the inner-suburban and outer-neighborhood buses--which are starving for better frequencies--have no means of substantially boosting their service until high-frequency buses from the inner reaches of the district give them more oxygen for practical transfers.

It's not magic. It is very expensive at the scale they have to reach for. But it's not as expensive to apply systemically as "BRT-like" amenities are expensive when they start gunking up each individual route enhancement proposal...multiplied by every faux-BRT route proposal that tries way too hard to pitch the bus as something other than a bus.


Just let the bus be a bus in a network of seamless bus routes. Do you need to take the 1 or the CT1 today? The 77 or "77E" that runs skip-stop for getting deeper into Arlington faster? The primary local or the "A"-suffixed alt route that runs on a parallel street for part of the way and shortens the normal walk to your friend's apartment by a couple blocks? The primary or the "X"-suffixed short-turn that's a little less crowded for lugging a personal cart of groceries? These should be second-nature daily questions with wholly mundane answers across the system on every corridor that merits, not an invitation to inaction through overthinking or one-size-fits-all thinking.
 

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