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Re: Wynn Everett Casino | Everett
Well, I don't know that we "know"...let's just say that it seems counter-factual and would be profoundly surprising if true.
Well, I don't know that we "know"...let's just say that it seems counter-factual and would be profoundly surprising if true.
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http://m.wcvb.com/money/wynn-delays-pollution-cleanup-at-everett-casino-site/38404526
http://m.wcvb.com/money/wynn-delays-pollution-cleanup-at-everett-casino-site/38404526
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The state really should have a preliminary hearing process where appeals without merit can be dismissed. I think this is on the Governor to fix by issuing new regulations.
The state really should have a preliminary hearing process where appeals without merit can be dismissed. I think this is on the Governor to fix by issuing new regulations.
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What you seek already exists.
The first step of every appeal is for the appellate court to decide if there exists sufficient grounds to bother actually hearing it. This is nearly always done by a subset of the appellate court, so there's fewer schedules to juggle. There is a very non-trivial percentage of cases where that panel responds with (translated from legalese), "nah, there's no meat on these bones, we're not wasting our time with this." Appeal gets tossed.
The governor could not change this with administrative regulations in his wildest fantasies; he and the legislature would have to act in concert. Even if the legislature and the governor actually could act cooperatively to change the court system (I doubt it), they all have far more important things to be doing than to be farting around adding a duplicative layer to an already very complicated court system. Like, for instance, giving the court system sufficient resources to be able to function at some reasonable turnaround time instead of everything taking forever (we've underfunded our court system as badly as we've underfunded everything else). Adding layers would slow it down even worse.
Also, appeals are mainly fought on process. If you appeal something with the argument, "the lower court, or the agency in question, they were just wrong, please make them change their decision", you've got a real good chance of the appellate screening panel tossing your ass out. (Ideology can rear its head and create exceptions to this.) What you mainly need to do to get into appellate court is argue convincingly, "the agency (or lower court) did not account for factors x, y, and z, and failure to consider those factors was a violation of the agency's own rules, please make them reconsider the matter using x, y, and z this time."
I did not follow the EIS saga on this and don't have the time to go read the thing. But I've heard it asserted here at aB and elsewhere that the EIS process on this casino left much to be desired. If there's truth to that, then that makes it easier for Curtatone or anyone else to get their foot in the door of an appellate court. And if it's true that the EIS process was sloppy enough to allow leeway for appeals, the place to direct one's energies is not in trying to change the appeals process, (which is mainly just backlogged to near-death, as opposed to being procedurally broken*), it's to find the people who fucked up the EIS process and ask them why they fucked it up.
*ETA: OK, there probably are some procedural fixes worth making, but adding another layer of pre-screening to the appellate process ain't one of them. They already reject lots of appeals without merit - once they finally slog through the backlog to get to them.
What you seek already exists.
The first step of every appeal is for the appellate court to decide if there exists sufficient grounds to bother actually hearing it. This is nearly always done by a subset of the appellate court, so there's fewer schedules to juggle. There is a very non-trivial percentage of cases where that panel responds with (translated from legalese), "nah, there's no meat on these bones, we're not wasting our time with this." Appeal gets tossed.
The governor could not change this with administrative regulations in his wildest fantasies; he and the legislature would have to act in concert. Even if the legislature and the governor actually could act cooperatively to change the court system (I doubt it), they all have far more important things to be doing than to be farting around adding a duplicative layer to an already very complicated court system. Like, for instance, giving the court system sufficient resources to be able to function at some reasonable turnaround time instead of everything taking forever (we've underfunded our court system as badly as we've underfunded everything else). Adding layers would slow it down even worse.
Also, appeals are mainly fought on process. If you appeal something with the argument, "the lower court, or the agency in question, they were just wrong, please make them change their decision", you've got a real good chance of the appellate screening panel tossing your ass out. (Ideology can rear its head and create exceptions to this.) What you mainly need to do to get into appellate court is argue convincingly, "the agency (or lower court) did not account for factors x, y, and z, and failure to consider those factors was a violation of the agency's own rules, please make them reconsider the matter using x, y, and z this time."
I did not follow the EIS saga on this and don't have the time to go read the thing. But I've heard it asserted here at aB and elsewhere that the EIS process on this casino left much to be desired. If there's truth to that, then that makes it easier for Curtatone or anyone else to get their foot in the door of an appellate court. And if it's true that the EIS process was sloppy enough to allow leeway for appeals, the place to direct one's energies is not in trying to change the appeals process, (which is mainly just backlogged to near-death, as opposed to being procedurally broken*), it's to find the people who fucked up the EIS process and ask them why they fucked it up.
*ETA: OK, there probably are some procedural fixes worth making, but adding another layer of pre-screening to the appellate process ain't one of them. They already reject lots of appeals without merit - once they finally slog through the backlog to get to them.
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Sorry I was mistaken. I thought this was an administrative appeal within the executive branch.
What I was getting at though was that this appeal process appears to freeze the permit automatically rather than forcing the litigant to seek an injunction. That seems like it would be something that could be changed administratively.
Most other appeals require an injunction once the permit is granted. Which is a separate threshold (involving the likelihood of success) than just moving forward with an appeal. Projects can usually move forward under a permit unless there is an injunction.
Sorry I was mistaken. I thought this was an administrative appeal within the executive branch.
What I was getting at though was that this appeal process appears to freeze the permit automatically rather than forcing the litigant to seek an injunction. That seems like it would be something that could be changed administratively.
Most other appeals require an injunction once the permit is granted. Which is a separate threshold (involving the likelihood of success) than just moving forward with an appeal. Projects can usually move forward under a permit unless there is an injunction.
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Actually I think you're right, I think it is an admin appeal now that you mention it.
Pressure on Curtatone coming from environmental groups now:
http://www.wbur.org/2016/03/08/wynn-halts-environmental-cleanup
That's an interesting angle.
Actually I think you're right, I think it is an admin appeal now that you mention it.
Pressure on Curtatone coming from environmental groups now:
http://www.wbur.org/2016/03/08/wynn-halts-environmental-cleanup
That's an interesting angle.
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Lots of Wynn news: https://twitter.com/gintautasd
Rebranded to "Wynn Boston Harbor"
Lots of Wynn news: https://twitter.com/gintautasd
Rebranded to "Wynn Boston Harbor"
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> "I like Mystic" -- cameraman pipes up, when Wynn asks press if Boston Harbor name is a reach <
Edit: Wynn Resorts has confirmed this is officially titled Wynn Boston Harbor. Wynn jokingly made it sound like it could be renamed. It appears it won't. Dumb name. Resort guests are not getting Boston Harbor views.
On...the Mystic River?
> "I like Mystic" -- cameraman pipes up, when Wynn asks press if Boston Harbor name is a reach <
Edit: Wynn Resorts has confirmed this is officially titled Wynn Boston Harbor. Wynn jokingly made it sound like it could be renamed. It appears it won't. Dumb name. Resort guests are not getting Boston Harbor views.
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As long as it brings tourism to the area, I don't think there'll be any major complaints if it was simply called "Wynn Boston."
The Wynn Las Vegas is technically in Paradise, NV (along with the majority of other hotels/casinos that make up the 'Las Vegas Strip'). Wynn Boston is how the world will recognize it come opening day anyway.
Thanks for sharing everything, Data! The models look great, and this will be so wonderful for the restoration of the waterfront.
As long as it brings tourism to the area, I don't think there'll be any major complaints if it was simply called "Wynn Boston."
The Wynn Las Vegas is technically in Paradise, NV (along with the majority of other hotels/casinos that make up the 'Las Vegas Strip'). Wynn Boston is how the world will recognize it come opening day anyway.
Thanks for sharing everything, Data! The models look great, and this will be so wonderful for the restoration of the waterfront.
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They're sticking with Wynn Boston Harbor:
Gintautas Dumcius @gintautasd 49s ago
Wynn Resorts official confirmed to me that they're staying w/ Wynn Boston Harbor name. Wynn jokingly made it sound like it was up in air.
They're sticking with Wynn Boston Harbor:
Gintautas Dumcius @gintautasd 49s ago
Wynn Resorts official confirmed to me that they're staying w/ Wynn Boston Harbor name. Wynn jokingly made it sound like it was up in air.
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Why the giant Popeye statue? (It's much more obvious on the Globe website, but look at the foot of the stairs)
Why the giant Popeye statue? (It's much more obvious on the Globe website, but look at the foot of the stairs)
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Allegedly, the sculpture costs $27 million.
This is the absolute height of tacky.
Also, yes, those appear to be ever-so-rare curved escalators.
Allegedly, the sculpture costs $27 million.
This is the absolute height of tacky.
Also, yes, those appear to be ever-so-rare curved escalators.
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We missed the Garden Under Glass on the Greenway but Wynn's Casino just might fill that vacancy! Seriously, people love this stuff and I imagine walking into this lobby on a cold, dreary, overcast winter or early spring day, it'll be a welcome sight. And I would have preferred Wynn Mystic Boston but it's all good. Looking forward to when this is all built out.
We missed the Garden Under Glass on the Greenway but Wynn's Casino just might fill that vacancy! Seriously, people love this stuff and I imagine walking into this lobby on a cold, dreary, overcast winter or early spring day, it'll be a welcome sight. And I would have preferred Wynn Mystic Boston but it's all good. Looking forward to when this is all built out.
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I think it's Jeff Koons'? (in which case it could have been worse)
I think it's Jeff Koons'? (in which case it could have been worse
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Yeah, but resort guests aren't going to know that. Boston Harbor is a much better branding from an international marketing standpoint. And hey, it's on the water, there will likely be a marina, and you can actually see downtown Boston in the distance. Nobody who isn't a day tripper will know that it's not Boston Harbor.
Yeah, but resort guests aren't going to know that. Boston Harbor is a much better branding from an international marketing standpoint. And hey, it's on the water, there will likely be a marina, and you can actually see downtown Boston in the distance. Nobody who isn't a day tripper will know that it's not Boston Harbor.
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Henry -- that part of the Mystic is tidal -- Technically it is Boston Harbor all the way until you get to the The Amelia Earhart Dam
Henry -- that part of the Mystic is tidal -- Technically it is Boston Harbor all the way until you get to the The Amelia Earhart Dam
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Wynn was quoted yesterday to say that entire families can come and spend a full day at the Wynn Boston Harbor without seeing a single gaming machine [unless they wish to do so]
He's talking the luxiest family-oriented resort hotel in the US outside of Las Vegas -- we'll have to see of course
Wynn was quoted yesterday to say that entire families can come and spend a full day at the Wynn Boston Harbor without seeing a single gaming machine [unless they wish to do so]
He's talking the luxiest family-oriented resort hotel in the US outside of Las Vegas -- we'll have to see of course