11-21 Bromfield Street | DTX | Downtown

odurandina said:
^^^This part of your post gives me hope it can get done.

Maybe the Mayor, Mr Golden and the board want it.

I'm 70/30 this is the last +200m tower proposed for many years.

which makes the conversation about 325' towers and THIS.
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Might have to just keep expanding west past the Pru. Seems to be more room that way. How are the Fenway Nimbys?
 
Mass dot steam plant parcel is currently in planning- the previous renders were 600' range- room for 3 buildings minimum, at least one has a strong possibility of being "tall", city hall, aquarium garage, dalton garage, the other garage on Dalton behind the Hilton, Westland Ave garage, 222 Stuart st cant go tall but will probably go at some point, Volpe transportation site (not Boston and not gonna happen but fug it), columbus center is a possibility along with the 7 other parcels that could easily fit 11 buildings total, Edward Brooke building has had some ideas thrown around and is only a matter of time, 51 high st, Christian Science had a 3rd tower proposed that is not being built- future expansion possibility, parking lot next to the armory on Arlington, not to mention any number of the horse shit built between China Town and DTX, the parking lot on Merrimack st next to the GCG towers, the ginormous parking lot next to the tracks at North Station. All are reasonable especially when space gets tight. Thats enough space for like 25 600 ft tall towers- obviously not going to happen but any single parcel could.

Once "we run out of room" Ill be happy to see a few eye sores blown up and rebuilt notably the fiduciary trust building, Hyatt regency, Tufts is garbage would not shed a tear to see that thing demolished, The Revere sucks- wouldn't go tall but don't care, suffolk county jail will undoubtable be moved once the west end is built up and that space becomes must have real estate (3-4 buildings can fit there), tremont on the common blows- wont go tall but necessary, (the entire west end take 2) and the list goes on and on and on. Theres plenty of room. We are not going to run out of room in our life times especially with the red tape and nimbys dragging ass, and when we do they will just knock down some trash and build there.
 
i appologize for my dollar store thinking out loud;

False narrative #1: People like the nimby from last night's meeting wasted about 8 minutes of everyone's time talking through his ass about a domino effect of highrise proposals after 1 Bromfield Street and other false narratives from the Shirley Kressel playbook.

Center Plaza, JFK Fed, City Hall, State Service Center and the Suffolk Court/thermonuclear demos for beautiful skyscrapers. 10 years? 30 years? i think we should leave them out of any conversation.

5 parcels work for some type of height in Back Bay. Realistically, i don't see any of them ever going taller than 450-480'. 1065 Boyleston is somewhat similar to GG in the West End; tall building on one side, iconic neighborhood on the other + rabid nimby. Same with Midtown Hotel and the Colonnade getting 10-20 floors chopped off any new turd towers. This is Boston.

South end of *Christian Science Park and Dalton St Garage. *isn't it getting a mid-rise?

Fenway. No roundtable for debunk the parcel. Nothing's going higher than the Pierce all the way to 1065 Boyleston-ever. Nightmare scenario the closer you get to the ballpark.

On/off Washington St/Chinatown down to the Pike; not much for over 350-420' w/ the FAA and nimby. Dot/Kneeland; ~325' limit.

Parcel 12/15 in play... so, After 1 Bromfield and 111 Fed, there's nothing any good for building over 450' except Colombus Center and Harbor Garage. Why do you think we're at these nuke parcels already? St Petersburg towers/West End? Maybe in 10-20 years.

I'd love to see 45 Worthington pushing 390'. It's tough to cut up the neighborhood real estate. It won't be sacrificed for Boston supertalls.

Every parcel in the city can be debunked. Almost everything left off the Common is historic... It's why we've been at these same turd parcels in the Boston Globe month after month.

"It's over.... and you're gonna die bloody. all you can do is choose where."
 
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new AB drinking game? Drink every time someone mentions we're out of room to develop?
 
palindrome said:
new AB drinking game? Drink every time someone mentions we're out of room to develop?
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Oh no, that will be the death of odurandina! He's already given himself heartburn and angina over this (non-)issue, now you'll have him destroy his liver too!
 
fattony said:
Oh no, that will be the death of odurandina! He's already given himself heartburn and angina over this (non-)issue, now you'll have him destroy his liver too!
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Me sad panda.
 
For the last 40 years we only had 2 buildings in this city over 200m. MT makes 3. CSC which is now digging will make 4. With this one, 111 Federal, and SST, within 5 years from now we may be looking at 7. But but but THAT'S ALL!!!!!
 
fattony said:
Oh no, that will be the death of odurandina! He's already given himself heartburn and angina over this (non-)issue, now you'll have him destroy his liver too!
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Nothing to sell here. Many of the nimby wouldn't necessarily have a problem with it ending with 9 skyscrapers. It's that they fear the 9 lead to 10 more. So, i've been slamming the fools commenting in the Globe 'we're not gonna be Manhattan.' Yet, they still believe it.

Boston is a boomtown. Going to the next level once these towers go up. Our skyline will be amazing. Then you add all the other stuff and we blow just about every other city's doors. On housing, it's probably a safe bet we see 60-70,000 units by 2030.
 
65,000 residential units by 2030, as your predict(avg), would suggest 4,335 units coming online every year. This is wishful thinking.

Not that I don't agree with you in your general assessment of market, but for Boston to consistently produce 4300+ units a year, significant parts of the city would need to be upzoned and the economy would have to be in growth mode for the next 15 years.

Marty's 52,000 units still seems unrealistic, IMO. But it's more plausible.
 
So this is what a YIMBY sounds like. Careful, otherwise you'll sound as crazy as a NIMBY.
 
DZH22 said:
If you didn't note the tongue-in-cheek I think you have some serious reading comprehension issues. JUST!!!! SAYING!!!!!
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Sorry, not aimed at you. A general statement to everyone who is so concerned about 'limited opportunities'.
 
type001 said:
Sorry, not aimed at you. A general statement to everyone who is so concerned about 'limited opportunities'.
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1. That's fine, accepted, no harm no foul.

2. Some people care. About half the people here.

3. It's a conversation that should be shelved for now, and revisited after 2020. Let the current boom play out, and see what's left from there.

4. On my walk yesterday, I noticed that this middle piece is awful, and a good future candidate for say, 2025.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.350...4!1sWesSQnF8hlv7MozJLuwz7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
 
any chance we get the mods to move that thread to this forum?

DZH22 said:
On my walk yesterday, I noticed that this middle piece is awful, and a good future candidate for say, 2025....
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eek that'll make at last 3000 sq shade over the Public Garden for 15 minutes in December.

i posted a couple of thoughts up there.

Bromfield burning...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFq3PfosM5c
 
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odurandina said:
any chance we get the mods to move that thread to this forum?
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As it is not a "Development Project" but is rather a broad discussion about urbanism and designing a better Boston, that thread does not have a place here. Let's keep it where it is.
 
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