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Re: 319 A Street Rear
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Re: 319 A Street Rear
319A Rear 3/3 NE corner
319A Rear 3/3 facing going up fast.
319A Rear 3/3 Windows going in.
319A Rear 3/3 NE corner
319A Rear 3/3 facing going up fast.
319A Rear 3/3 Windows going in.
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Nice proportions on this one, I bet it turns out well
Nice proportions on this one, I bet it turns out well
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Maybe this has already been said, but...
Given the FAA cap on Seaport height, the scale and proportions of this project would have been perfect for the entire waterfront, not only in defining building footprint/height but also laying out a finer grained street pattern.
Maybe this has already been said, but...
Given the FAA cap on Seaport height, the scale and proportions of this project would have been perfect for the entire waterfront, not only in defining building footprint/height but also laying out a finer grained street pattern.
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^^ +1
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When completed it will be 25 stories (20 Resid, 4 garage.1 lobby). Looks like they are working on the 18th or 19th floor.
When completed it will be 25 stories (20 Resid, 4 garage.1 lobby). Looks like they are working on the 18th or 19th floor.
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this is really going to be a great addition to this area which will hopefully welcome in many more great additions.
this is really going to be a great addition to this area which will hopefully welcome in many more great additions.
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Don't think that's right. It's 20 or 21 floors including parking levels. It was originally proposed at 25 I believe but NIMBYs chopped off 4/5 floors. So congrats to the NIMBs. Something like 25 more units will not be built and 40 or so people will not have new homes. Hope they're all proud.
Don't think that's right. It's 20 or 21 floors including parking levels. It was originally proposed at 25 I believe but NIMBYs chopped off 4/5 floors. So congrats to the NIMBs. Something like 25 more units will not be built and 40 or so people will not have new homes. Hope they're all proud.
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But now they can revel in their petty victory, as it provided some validation that they have a bit of power and control. Which is at the core of much NIMBYism.
It's not about what's better or worse for a neighborhood, it's about having people bend to your will. Shaving a few floors off is merely a means to an unrelated end.
But now they can revel in their petty victory, as it provided some validation that they have a bit of power and control. Which is at the core of much NIMBYism.
It's not about what's better or worse for a neighborhood, it's about having people bend to your will. Shaving a few floors off is merely a means to an unrelated end.
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Who are the NIMBY's in this neighborhood? Channel Center? Sicil, any insight?
Who are the NIMBY's in this neighborhood? Channel Center? Sicil, any insight?
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Not sure if I like the materials. I'll hold judgement until the windows go in, because I feel like the windows will either completely ruin this building or make it fantastic. No gray area.
I feel like I'd normally like this material, but there's just something off about the way amount of material showing.
Not sure if I like the materials. I'll hold judgement until the windows go in, because I feel like the windows will either completely ruin this building or make it fantastic. No gray area.
I feel like I'd normally like this material, but there's just something off about the way amount of material showing.
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:EYEROLL:
I've followed the process since 2005 and know every player including the architect.
Height was determined through a somewhat bogus BRA Master Plan (100 Acres) at 180' above Summer St.
Extra height above 180' was available but would require additional concessions and also (at the time) had the tower cantilevered over 327-337 Summer which presented its own set of issues. The owner/proponent at the time proposed upwards of 240' in the first filing of a PNF but scaled it back in the second or third filing of an NPC based on discussions with BRA. Most community concern that I'm aware of had to do with 4 floors of above-grade parking and dead street frontage on 3 sides.
Keep in mind that this project received final approval by the BRA 3 or 4 times over 5 years. People were actually sick and tired of the constant stream of project filings. The attitude was more like, "flip it already" as we knew they would. And so they did, to the current owner.
There may have been a dozen complaints from individuals about height, nothing that would constitute NIMBYism.
<opinion>I've left out a lot of the story here that has to do with tying this project to 327-337 Summer for the first set of approvals, then unbundling it and tying it into 63 Melcher for another round of approvals, then unbundling that and tying 63 Melcher with 49 and 51 Melcher for another round of approvals, then unbundling those approvals and flipping all of the buildings to separate owners. The games between the original owner and BRA were endless. Needless to say, that original owner is back at the BRA now for additions on 327-337 Summer and, of course, tying that together with 319 A St in one approval. If past is prologue, its never about height, density or the quality of the project, it's about pumping maximum square footage into a speculative portfolio in advance of a flip. </opinion>
EDIT: Added the word "original" to the last paragraph to clarify chain of ownership. IMHO, the current owner has been a breath of fresh air.
:EYEROLL:
I've followed the process since 2005 and know every player including the architect.
Height was determined through a somewhat bogus BRA Master Plan (100 Acres) at 180' above Summer St.
Extra height above 180' was available but would require additional concessions and also (at the time) had the tower cantilevered over 327-337 Summer which presented its own set of issues. The owner/proponent at the time proposed upwards of 240' in the first filing of a PNF but scaled it back in the second or third filing of an NPC based on discussions with BRA. Most community concern that I'm aware of had to do with 4 floors of above-grade parking and dead street frontage on 3 sides.
Keep in mind that this project received final approval by the BRA 3 or 4 times over 5 years. People were actually sick and tired of the constant stream of project filings. The attitude was more like, "flip it already" as we knew they would. And so they did, to the current owner.
There may have been a dozen complaints from individuals about height, nothing that would constitute NIMBYism.
<opinion>I've left out a lot of the story here that has to do with tying this project to 327-337 Summer for the first set of approvals, then unbundling it and tying it into 63 Melcher for another round of approvals, then unbundling that and tying 63 Melcher with 49 and 51 Melcher for another round of approvals, then unbundling those approvals and flipping all of the buildings to separate owners. The games between the original owner and BRA were endless. Needless to say, that original owner is back at the BRA now for additions on 327-337 Summer and, of course, tying that together with 319 A St in one approval. If past is prologue, its never about height, density or the quality of the project, it's about pumping maximum square footage into a speculative portfolio in advance of a flip. </opinion>
EDIT: Added the word "original" to the last paragraph to clarify chain of ownership. IMHO, the current owner has been a breath of fresh air.
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I know you know the document much better than most of us. I haven't skimmed through the 100 acre plan in a few years.
I thought this (or somewhere near here) was one of like 2 spots approved for a relatively tall building. 350'? As it's not on top of the tunnel, and following the scale up from the FAA limits, this was a potential high point in the area.
I know you know the document much better than most of us. I haven't skimmed through the 100 acre plan in a few years.
I thought this (or somewhere near here) was one of like 2 spots approved for a relatively tall building. 350'? As it's not on top of the tunnel, and following the scale up from the FAA limits, this was a potential high point in the area.