Allston-Brighton Infill and Small Developments

A 2,000 seat skating arena that will rarely be filled (a few times a year at most?) seems like an un-urban use for a substantial amount of land. If the New Balance proposal for across the Pike results in a commuter rail stop, Lincoln Street will become a more viable location than it is today.

As we discussed a while back, I didn't think quiet Harvard athletic facilities were a great fit for Barry's Corner and this proposal seems similar. Does anyone have any thoughts about how the Skating Club's proposed 3 rink facility and associated parking on 5.2 acres can best be designed?

I am skeptical that they can squeeze three rinks and parking for 2,000 spectators onto 5.2 acres. But two ways to possibly squeeze all that in: 1.) underground parking, with the garage roof being the slab for the rink(s); 2.) go vertical, with one rink being of top of another.
 
I am skeptical that they can squeeze three rinks and parking for 2,000 spectators onto 5.2 acres. But two ways to possibly squeeze all that in: 1.) underground parking, with the garage roof being the slab for the rink(s); 2.) go vertical, with one rink being of top of another.

I've wondered about the structural challenges of doing that. Could all 3 rinks be stacked? Does anyone know of examples where multiple rinks have been on multiple floors?
 
I've wondered about the structural challenges of doing that. Could all 3 rinks be stacked? Does anyone know of examples where multiple rinks have been on multiple floors?

Four stacked:
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^^^^
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=183249

Two stacked, Shelton CT.
http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-connecticut/1002999-1.html

http://sportscenterct.com/activities/ice-skating/
 
A 2,000 seat skating arena that will rarely be filled (a few times a year at most?) seems like an un-urban use for a substantial amount of land. If the New Balance proposal for across the Pike results in a commuter rail stop, Lincoln Street will become a more viable location than it is today.

As we discussed a while back, I didn't think quiet Harvard athletic facilities were a great fit for Barry's Corner and this proposal seems similar. Does anyone have any thoughts about how the Skating Club's proposed 3 rink facility and associated parking on 5.2 acres can best be designed?

Harry -- while the seats may only be filled a few times a year that will not be the case with the ice

We have a privately operated indoor ice facility in Lexington and it is busy almost all of the time -- from early in the morning to late in the evening pretty much year round

Between the Olympic champions who've been from here and the popularity of high school, college and pro hockey -- ice skating in Boston is a passion
 
Four stacked:

Stel -- the Gaaaahdn is suspended above the Railroad platforms and waiting area

If you can float an arena with nearly 20,000 seats filed with Bruuuuns fans -- floating some ice is piece of cake :=}
 
perfect beer garden.

Bed and Breakfast with riding

Build a horse and rider overpass across Soldiers File Road to the big green space

let people stay in the two end buildigns and stable horses back in the stables

tear down the garage and build some modern aditonal space for about 10 bed rooms total with a nice restaurant

It would be unique in the entire Metro park system
 
From mytowns section of Globe for Allston-Brighton

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/allston_brighton/2012/02/new_balance_brighton_developme.html


By Matt Rocheleau, Town Correspondent

New Balance officials say the company’s plans to develop a new headquarters, sports complex and other facilities across 14 acres beside its current headquarters in Boston will create between 3,000 and 4,000 new, full-time jobs in addition to between 600 and 900 construction jobs while the project is being built.

The proposal calls for redeveloping a sprawling 609,000-square-foot area -- among the top 10 largest proposed or ongoing development sites in Boston, according to a spokeswoman for the Boston Redevelopment Authority.

Following the release of its general plan outlined in a letter submitted to the city at the beginning of the month, the athletic footwear and apparel company continues to work on a detailed master plan that is expected to be unveiled and filed with the city in the “next several weeks,” New Balance spokeswoman Amy Dow said in recent e-mails. The company is also continuing to push the state toward adding a commuter rail stop in the area.

Along the large underdeveloped prime stretch of real estate in Brighton at 77 Guest St., and across the road 38-180 Guest St., which sits adjacent to the Massachusetts Turnpike’s eastbound side, the company intends for its mixed-use development to create a "health and wellness district" that will overtake an area currently occupied by surface parking lots and low-level warehouse buildings.

The filing of its basic plan with the city earlier his month came two years after New Balance publicly unveiled a vision it crafted for the site, despite that a different developer owned a large piece of the property and was navigating the city review and approval process for its proposal to build a Lowe’s home improvement store there – a plan that the city denied twice.

That previous plan the shoe company announced in early 2010 called for a $250 million mixed-use development along 15 acres that would feature a sports complex, hotel, park, movie theater, office buildings, and community space, along with a commuter rail station and access to the adjacent turnpike.

For its current proposal, New Balance said in a letter to the city that part of its plan involves “vast improvements to public infrastructure,” and the spokeswoman said company officials “look forward to continued discussion” about the possibility of building a commuter rail station at Everett Street, an idea the state has explored in recent years.

“We will do what we can in working with [the state transportation department], MassDOT,” she said, declining to go into more detail. “We’re not aware of further discussion regarding a turnpike ramp.”

The area where New Balance hopes to develop is a key section of a 100-acre area of Brighton that the city, in conjunction with local residents and various representatives from local business stakeholders including New Balance, studied over the past year.

At a final meeting for that process to create a long-term vision for the area – general guidelines that are expected to be formally adopted by the city next month – many members of the study’s advisory group urged that the study’s report include strong language to emphasize the long-held desire to add a public railway station in Allston-Brighton, which the state’s transportation department studied in 2009 to examine the potential for a new commuter rail station.

“It’s not off the table … [but] presently, this area has access to public transportation services in multiple locations, so at this point in time, we are not pursuing this project,” MassDOT spokesman Michael Verseckes said this week. “In the meantime, there are a host of other commitments [namely the Green Line Extension and South Coast Rail projects] that are being advanced and the T continues to have ongoing public meetings to get riders’ feedback on changes to fares and services.”

Commuter rail tracks run adjacent to the stretch to where the shoe company wants to build its new complex and there were once two stops in Allston-Brighton along that railway. However, due to scarce funding, reviving direct railway access to the Allston-Brighton area without major private financial support is likely to be decades away from being achieved, city officials have said.

As part of its plans to construct a new world headquarters, New Balance will vacate its current decade-old 10-story headquarters on Guest Street and rent that space out to new tenants. The manufacturing facility about a mile away in Brighton on Newton Street will continue its operations there.

On the eastern edge of the proposed development site, the Massachusetts Electric Construction Company will eventually vacate office space located on property New Balance bought a year ago that is adjacent to a Stop & Shop site. The site at 180 Guest St. that houses one of the national electric contractor’s two headquarters is within New Balance’s development scope, officials said.

The New Balance spokeswoman declined to comment on when the company hopes to begin and finish construction, how many buildings the development will entail, and each buildings’ individual or the complex’s total dimensions.

“We’re currently working on this for the master plan that will come in the next several weeks,” she said. “We’re looking forward to a thorough community review after the master plan’s submission.”

The company spokeswoman also declined to disclose cost estimates for the current development proposal.

Amid the recent economic downturn that slowed both retail sales and construction across the globe, New Balance, like many in the seemingly-recession-proof footwear business galloped on. The company purchased a host of other sports apparel brands, opened a technology, product testing and research lab in Lawrence and saw its total sales either hold steady or climb slightly each year.

Founded in Boston 106 years ago as an arch supports and orthopedic shoes manufacturer, the company’s revenue grew more than eight-fold over the past two decades. Similar to how the world's top two sports apparel makers, Nike and Adidas, fared over the past decade, New Balance's worldwide sales doubled from $890 million the non-publicly traded company said it made during 1999 to $1.78 billion in 2010, the most recent, available sales numbers.

New Balance employs nearly 600 workers at its Boston headquarters and nearby manufacturing plant, another 700 at its world design and production center in Lawrence and 800 more at facilities in Maine out of about 4,000 total associates worldwide.

Of the 3,000 to 4,000 jobs the company expects its proposed development to create, “a relatively small percentage” will be new positions within the company’s own workforce. The athletic apparel company is planning for between a 5 and 10 percent increase in its employment figures over the next three to five years, the spokeswoman said.

Asked how the current proposal compares with the quarter-billion dollar idea the company envisioned two years ago, the sneaker company spokeswoman said: “Our current plan fits with New Balance's need for a new world headquarters with complimentary uses geared towards health and wellness, aligns with the BRA planning study guidelines and reflects that we now control the property.”

The current proposal calls for a new headquarters, sports complex, boutique hotel, up to three office buildings, retail and restaurant space, public open space and public infrastructure upgrades, all of which were included in the plan released two years ago.

Details included in that older vision that have not been specified for the current proposal were a movie theater, commuter rail station and access to the turnpike.

Under the current plan, the sports complex would include a 200-meter track and field facility and a regulation hockey arena.

Space for ice hockey was also part of the vision New Balance offered two years ago.

Last summer, the Skating Club of Boston announced that it plans to build a new, three-rink indoor ice skating facility on property that sits almost directly across the turnpike from where New Balance intends to build. Asked whether that news has caused New Balance to rethink plans for its own hockey arena, the New Balance spokeswoman said, “no.”

She said the sports complex facility will be “open to the public,” but declined to comment in further detail about how the company envisions it will be used.

In three separate deals – two last March and the third in October – that grew the company’s landholdings along Guest Street five-fold within seven months, New Balance spent a total of $33.8-million to buy the commercial properties that it hopes to develop.

Asked whether New Balance is eyeing any other property acquisitions, the spokeswoman said: “We now own all of the property we need to do our proposed development. There may be other parcels that become available for sale and if that improves our project we would consider them but our goal is to redevelop the property that we have under our control. Our development plan doesn't require any additional property.”

Counting its existing headquarters and a five-story parking garage, New Balance’s 22.4 acres of property along Guest Street were assessed by the city in 2011 at a combined $60.5 million. An additional property on nearby Everett Street, another on North Beacon Street and its manufacturing plant space on Newton Street put the company’s total neighborhood footprint at 33 acres of land assessed by the city in 2011 at a combined $70 million.

E-mail Matt Rocheleau at mjrochele@gmail.com.
 
^ With regard to the commuter rail issue, the T shouldn't prioritize improvements because a company makes the irrational decision to place its headquarters outside the CBD. That said, something has to be done now to prevent this from becoming a suburban office campus in the city with respect to commuting options. Is installing a blacktop platform and lean-to roof structure that expensive for the T?
 
^^ I posted my thoughts on the commuter rail at New Balance over at Universal Hub this morning:

"Part of the New Brighton Landing plan (New Balance) is to include a commuter rail stop.

Thinking long term, a better solution would be to use the ROW for a more regular service (T schedule, not Commuter Rail). It should connect South station, Back Bay, BU (new field), Allston, Brighton Landing, Newton stations that are currently commuter rail, and end at 128."

- it spurred a lively conversation:

http://www.universalhub.com/2012/why-allstonbrighton-needs-commuter-rail-stop#comment-214082

Someone posted a link to a great old map (on Van's flickr account):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vanshnookenraggen/346211602/sizes/o/in/set-72157594460286528/

While I recognize the problem with light rail vs. heavy rail on the ROW, I don't think it's an insurmountable problem.
 
Nice, there is a link to a better version you can get a print of! My scan was always too crappy (thanks Harvard GSD library).
 
If they were to add a commuter rail stop in that area of Brighton, I am sure there are plenty of people who normally take buses from Oak Square and that area who be more than happy to jump on the rail.
 
They could make a deal with New Balance. New Balance builds the station, the MBTA maintains it and has a few trains stop at it. Then, as long as NB stays in the area, it is forever known as "New Balance Station."
 
Let's just hope it's Zone 1A. If it's Zone 1, this will be a really big waste. No one wants to pay $4.00 pre-fare hike for an hourly service to go 2 miles.

$1.70 or fail.
 
Let's just hope it's Zone 1A. If it's Zone 1, this will be a really big waste. No one wants to pay $4.00 pre-fare hike for an hourly service to go 2 miles.

$1.70 or fail.

An Allston Landing/New Balance stop should definitely be 1A, but if they place any stops in Brighton, I bet they'd get ridership even at zone 1. A lot of those folks are already paying more for express buses, they might well be willing to up their pass cost a bit to get the comfort of rail service.

That said, my own opinion is that all transit within Boston/Cambridge/Somerville should max out at 1A. It annoys the crap out of me that Roslindale to Back Bay is $2.25 more than Forest Hills to Back Bay. That's more than twice as much, to go only 20% further.
 
I like the idea of the 1A fares; the more the better. They aren't well advertised, though, from what I know.

Pretty much, you're on and off before the ticket guy makes it to you.
 
^ With regard to the commuter rail issue, the T shouldn't prioritize improvements because a company makes the irrational decision to place its headquarters outside the CBD. That said, something has to be done now to prevent this from becoming a suburban office campus in the city with respect to commuting options. Is installing a blacktop platform and lean-to roof structure that expensive for the T?

CZ -- you are starting to fire without looking at the target -- "T shouldn't prioritize improvements because a company makes the irrational decision to place its headquarters outside the CBD."

I think that you will find that NB has in addition to its HQ a local manufactury just down the street

based on your so-called rational criteria -- where is a company such as New Balance going to find the acreage to have an HQ and a manufactury within the FID or even the SPID which is affordable -- the ultiamte rational decision for a company

Alsoton / Brighton needs development such as New Balance just as much as it need HAAAAAAAAvd
 

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