Atlantic Wharf (née Russia Wharf) | Atlantic Ave | Waterfront

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DC does okay without them [height limits]...
I think you mean with them.

If they had adopted the height, footprint size and street width of the Fort Point District, the Seaport would have turned out fine. The template was there for all to see ... and everybody likes it.
 
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How strong are the UNIONS now. No Jobs, Can't even get Martha Coakley elected in a DEM State. This might be the last project on the boards.

Thank God for Mayor Menino and the BRA. Your doing great depressing a beautiful city that should be the best in the country. The only thing holding MASS economy up is the Colleges.
 
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If they had adopted the height, footprint size and street width of the Fort Point District, the Seaport would have turned out fine. The template was there for all to see ... and everybody likes it.

Exactly. The problem here is that the BRA thought it best to completely ignore historical context and reinvent the wheel. Had they applied the Fort Point model to the Seaport and made it the path of least resistance for developers, the Seaport would be well on its way to becoming a vibrant, mixed use, mixed income neighborhood. Instead we are left with a sea of parking and empty promises.
 
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How strong are the UNIONS now. No Jobs, Can't even get Martha Coakley elected in a DEM State. This might be the last project on the boards.

The union leadership urged the rank and file to vote for Coakley but they apparently either didn't turn out or went for Brown either out of a vague sense of anger or because they liked his truck or something. So much for solidarity - they deserve the continuing recession they're going to get.
 
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The problem here is that the BRA thought it best to completely ignore historical context and reinvent the wheel.

Do you think some of that comes from Menino's obsession with his "legacy"? (e.g., 1000-ft tower; city hall in Southie; etc.). What I mean is, if the Seaport were simply an expanded Fort Point (which I would welcome), Menino's fingerprints aren't that obvious. At least not as obvious as if he approves a new, distinct (albeit ugly) "neighborhood" in the Seaport.
 
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I don't think any of the more remembered mayors in Boston history were known for extending the city's built footprint. They were beloved for how they dealt with city services, and this has already been Menino's greatest legacy thus far (positively or negatively). I wouldn't read too much into his concern over legacy in the Seaport.
 
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Do you think some of that comes from Menino's obsession with his "legacy"? (e.g., 1000-ft tower; city hall in Southie; etc.). What I mean is, if the Seaport were simply an expanded Fort Point (which I would welcome), Menino's fingerprints aren't that obvious. At least not as obvious as if he approves a new, distinct (albeit ugly) "neighborhood" in the Seaport.

No, on the contrary. If Menino were interested in legacy with regards to the Seaport, he would have championed interesting development. A modern day expansion of Fort Point would certainly been notable, uniquely Boston, and added to his legacy. Instead he has allowed for something that will look like Atlanta (couldn't resist), Irvine, or any other giant office park with no identity of its own.
 
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Boston Properties Looking To Convert Russia Wharf Residential Units To Rentals

By Paul McMorrow
Banker & Tradesman

Boston Properties is preparing to convert the 65 remaining condominium units in its $550 million, mixed-use Russia Wharf development in Boston to rental apartments, sources have indicated to Banker & Tradesman.

Previously, Boston Properties had sought BRA approval to significantly reduce the number of residential units in the waterfront development, from 215 to 65. The developer made that change in order to secure construction financing for the 31-story, 854,000-square-foot tower. Even with Boston Properties' steep cuts to its residential program at Russia Wharf, a club of five banks only offered the REIT a $215 million loan, with tough recourse provisions.

Lenders' reluctance to fund new condominium construction helped sink financing for Vornado and Gale International's Filene's redevelopment downtown, and it forced Lincoln Property Co. to swap condos for office space at 316-322 Summer St. in Fort Point.

By contrast, lenders remain willing to finance new rental housing, in part because the secondary market remains more liquid than other areas of commercial finance. Swapping condos for rentals now will allow Boston Properties to generate immediate cash flow from the development's residential units, with the option of converting them back to condos down the road, if a dearth of new construction leads to an increase in condo prices, as some have predicted.

Russia Wharf's 750,000 square feet of office space will be anchored by Wellington Management. The building is scheduled to open in early 2011.

Boston Properties did not return calls seeking comment.
 
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^This sucks.
 
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Why? It puts people down there sooner than condos would. And given the location it's not as though they'll be cheapo apartments.
 
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No, I wasn't talking about changing from condos to rentals, I was talking about reducing the number of residential units from 215 to 65.

I think rentals are fine.
 
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With 65 rental units, we can be assured there will be at least one or two residents walking across the Greenway every Saturday afternoon.

Of course, Menino had no control over the outcome... the variances for the tower that tripled the density of the site were a gift to original owner Equity Office from the gods of Fort Point.

So we learn today that Boston Properties is having trouble financing. They own the Pru, for heaven's sake. In Boston, short-term interests with an orchestra full of violins trump long-term goals every time -- recession or not.

As mentioned in an earlier post, I can't wait for the precious bit of landscaping that's going to adorn the waterside of this site. Dog walkers had better curb the pooch or risk a swift introduction to the building's security office.

Excuse me for unabashed snarkiness. This is my one outlet.
 
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more pixs ,I need a new building soon!
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Is the building smaller than originally planned, because there are to be fewer residential units in it?
 
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what's up with the different color glass? is that just an optical illusion or what in the last picture?
 
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Is the building smaller than originally planned, because there are to be fewer residential units in it?

No, it is not smaller. The original building was 31 stories, the current building is somewhere between 31 and 33 stories (Wikipedia suggests 33). Boston Properties sought additional height last summer, in exchange for completing 1st floor public amenities that had already been proposed with the original project.
 
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So what is the formerly-residential space being converted to? Hotel?
 
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So what is the formerly-residential space being converted to? Hotel?

I believe office space.

From Boston Properties website:

The mixed-use development will include a 31-story, 750,000 Class A office tower, 30,000 square feet of retail and public spaces, 70 to 80 residential units, a 650 car parking garage, and a waterfront plaza.

Here's a Globe story from 2007:

http://www.boston.com/realestate/news/articles/2007/07/12/developer_takes_2d_shot_at_russia_wharf_design/

I love this doozy:

"It is not a great residential site," said Dean F. Stratouly.

Stratouly said the area is not yet enough of a residential neighborhood, with shops and a supermarket, to attract large numbers of buyers.

Reminds me of Yogi Berra's "Nobody goes there, it's too crowded."
 

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