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That's Hamburg? I was going to guess Copenhagen. I certainly think it's a hell of a lot better than the wide majority of things built in America recently, let alone Boston. Maybe it's not iconic, maybe it's not absolute world class architecture, but it's the best compromise between both at such a scale that I've seen lately.
 
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Here's another one:

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This is the right idea for the Fort Point Channel, where the USPS facility is now. Small footprint buildings with a pedestrian promenade along the water, leaving plenty of room for additional tracks for South Station behind them.

Something like cz's first Vancouver shot would look good at Fan Pier / Seaport Square - it's middle of the road design, but far better than where the Seaport is headed.
 
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I think we'd all be happier with 20 Liberty Wharfs than 1 Fan Pier. Hamburg looks urban, and it looks like a Seaport/Channel. That's all that matters.

San Diego has a nicer, more urban Seaport/waterside district than Vancouver, IMO, but still has the ugly buildings.
 
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Sometimes I think calling Boston Dallas-by-the-Sea is an insult to Dallas. Would that Fan Pier building be tolerated even there?

OMG SOME SKYLINES LOOK SIMILAR TO OTHERS IN CERTAIN ANGLES OMGGGGG
 
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czsz, I can't be certain, but I think you may have touched a nerve here.
 
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^ LOL. But Dallas aside, are there any angles from which 1 Marina Park Drive could be considered acceptable? Not as far as I can tell.
 
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Yes, Fan Pier is crappy, but you can't just pick out random skyline shots and say "looks more like Dallas" or some other suburban cities that we like to crap on. Fact is, many skyscrapers look similar, and I'm sorry, but Boston isn't important enough to get "unique" Bostonian skyscrapers (whatever that is)
 
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Yes, Fan Pier is crappy, but you can't just pick out random skyline shots and say "looks more like Dallas" or some other suburban cities that we like to crap on. Fact is, many skyscrapers look similar, and I'm sorry, but Boston isn't important enough to get "unique" Bostonian skyscrapers (whatever that is)

Well, I can give you two examples of "unique" city skyscrapers: Pre-WWII NYC skyscrapers and Miami Beach Art Deco skyscrapers. Boston had it once, too, but it's generally hated by the contemporary critic: the brutal skyscraper.
 
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Yes, Fan Pier is crappy, but you can't just pick out random skyline shots and say "looks more like Dallas" or some other suburban cities that we like to crap on. Fact is, many skyscrapers look similar, and I'm sorry, but Boston isn't important enough to get "unique" Bostonian skyscrapers (whatever that is)

The problem isn't that Boston's skyscrapers are not unique, it's that many are just fugly. One Marina Park Drive is the crown jewel of this fugliness.
 
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Well, I can give you two examples of "unique" city skyscrapers: Pre-WWII NYC skyscrapers and Miami Beach Art Deco skyscrapers. Boston had it once, too, but it's generally hated by the contemporary critic: the brutal skyscraper.

I don't think that Boston's architectural trademark for most people is the "brutal skyscraper," and putting it on the level of Gotham skyscrapers or Miami Beach deco is misleading.

Brutalism started in Europe, and any UK housing council or Eastern Bloc city has its share of brutalist high-rises, much more so than here. Stateside, Boston doesn't seem to have many more brutalist skyscrapers than many US cities experimenting with urban redevelopment in the 60s-80s. NYC has the AT&T Long Lines Building, Pei's University Village, Pace U, Waterview Towers, the MetLife building, NYU's Bobst Library, the Adam Clayton Powell state office building, and dozens of nameless apartment high-rises; Minneapolis has Riverside Plaza and other high-rises; Cleveland has the Justice Center and Trust building among others; and DC has numerous brutalist office buildings, starting with the J Edgar Hoover. You find them in Pittsburgh, Montreal, Chicago, San Francisco, Toronto, Miami. Even New Haven -- from the Yale campus to downtown to the IKEA building off I-95 -- has a whole bunch of 'em.

Back in Boston, we have brutalist skyscrapers in the Federal Reserve Building, the Christian Science Admin Building, the Harbor Towers, Peabody Terrace and the BU Law School. Looking a bit shorter, you throw in City Hall, the Hurley, and a few smaller structures in Boston and Cambridge. But lists of brutalist buildings including Wikipedia's non-comprehensive list, or those at SkyscraperCity.com or SkyscraperPage.com are indicative of how many other cities in this country and abroad have many more brutalist structures. IMO, not a huge part of the city's total mass of buildings, and not unique to Boston.

Also, I'd say this is one of the most, if not the most, polarizing architectural styles where the critics (today and yesterday) are generally yea and the laity nay (City Hall and Peabody Terrace being two such local examples of that polarization).
 
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The federal reserve is brutalist? Huh...one of these things is not like the others
 
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Okay.

Here is an example of a better waterfront that is fully within the grasp of the mediocre architects, designers, and businesspeople who have built up the Seaport:

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It's pretty amazing how strong the color palette is for newer Vancouver buildings is. A lot of Grey/White/Blue/Green towers. It definitely creates a very unified skyline that people can recognize as vancouver very easily
 
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I don't think that Boston's architectural trademark for most people is the "brutal skyscraper," and putting it on the level of Gotham skyscrapers or Miami Beach deco is misleading.

Brutalism started in Europe, and any UK housing council or Eastern Bloc city has its share of brutalist high-rises, much more so than here. Stateside, Boston doesn't seem to have many more brutalist skyscrapers than many US cities experimenting with urban redevelopment in the 60s-80s. NYC has the AT&T Long Lines Building, Pei's University Village, Pace U, Waterview Towers, the MetLife building, NYU's Bobst Library, the Adam Clayton Powell state office building, and dozens of nameless apartment high-rises; Minneapolis has Riverside Plaza and other high-rises; Cleveland has the Justice Center and Trust building among others; and DC has numerous brutalist office buildings, starting with the J Edgar Hoover. You find them in Pittsburgh, Montreal, Chicago, San Francisco, Toronto, Miami. Even New Haven -- from the Yale campus to downtown to the IKEA building off I-95 -- has a whole bunch of 'em.

Back in Boston, we have brutalist skyscrapers in the Federal Reserve Building, the Christian Science Admin Building, the Harbor Towers, Peabody Terrace and the BU Law School. Looking a bit shorter, you throw in City Hall, the Hurley, and a few smaller structures in Boston and Cambridge. But lists of brutalist buildings including Wikipedia's non-comprehensive list, or those at SkyscraperCity.com or SkyscraperPage.com are indicative of how many other cities in this country and abroad have many more brutalist structures. IMO, not a huge part of the city's total mass of buildings, and not unique to Boston.

Also, I'd say this is one of the most, if not the most, polarizing architectural styles where the critics (today and yesterday) are generally yea and the laity nay (City Hall and Peabody Terrace being two such local examples of that polarization).

Nice post -- I generally agree. Boston probably has not had a prevailing style since the 19th Century Back Bay and South End infill, but I do believe that for the 20th Century, brutalism, and to a lesser extent, art deco prevail. It may not be totally "unique" to the Boston landscape like say, Art Deco or MiMo are to Miami Beach, but they are probably the finest achievements within the city during that time period. I suppose it does shed light on the fact that Boston has becoming much less inspired over time.
 
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It's pretty amazing how strong the color palette is for newer Vancouver buildings is. A lot of Grey/White/Blue/Green towers. It definitely creates a very unified skyline that people can recognize as vancouver very easily

IMO This whole project looks like an unmade bed! This look would definitely not look right for Boston's waterfront. We will never get exciting and modern here. Boston is red brick, no? Similar structures like the Boston Harbor Hotel, for example, mixed in with a few modern and clean looking all glass highrises would not be a bad look for Boston's waterfront, and we'd be lucky to get it. IMHO.
 
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We will never get exciting and modern here.

If you don't ask, you shall never receive.

Boston is red brick, no?

It didn't do much for the WTC buildings, but at least they turned out better than anything built in the age of prefab.
 
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The Residences at the InterContinental sales team never mentioned to my client that Atlantic Wharf was going up, next door. What's that again about real estate agents being unethical?

* I told him, of course.
 

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