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The EGE said:
It doesn't work like that, jass. Starting with off-peak-and-weekend-only would be useless for a station that's fundamentally best for weekday peak hours. That's when the Pike and Storrow and Comm Ave all suck, that's when the B Branch is at its worst, and that's when the 66 most struggles to keep schedule. Plus, the biggest market right now is Allston/Brighton commuters and NB workers, who are aligned most towards a normal commute schedule.
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Right because no one lives in the A/B transit desert and wants to get downtown and back. Or lives in AB and is coming back from an event in Worcester.

It literally costs zero dollars to stop on weekends and create new ridership and revenue. Its a 60 second time penalty.

Hell, make it a flag stop.
 
odurandina said:
^^ i wish, in a few years after many new projects are done, they would electrify a few of the commuter lines for short/nimble/fast GE Silverliners (latter day/green Buddliner) for intermediate/lower-demand trips inside Rt128 and then add a few late-night trains to Readville, Needham, Wellesley, Woburn, Melrose, etc. Sad to see the T lagging behind DC and peer Philly metro.
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You mean the SEPTA whose new EMU's you cite are all out-of-service for serious design failures, resulting in drastic service cuts? And the D.C. Metro that kills people? Protip: If SEPTA and DC ever end up the role models in the crux of one's argument, one needs to seriously reconsider the soundness of said argument. The worst-run commuter rail agency and worst-run metro system in the Western Hemisphere are role models for nothing. They're decades-burning dumpster fires (and in DC's case, fatal tunnel fires).
 
jass said:
Right because no one lives in the A/B transit desert and wants to get downtown and back. Or lives in AB and is coming back from an event in Worcester.

It literally costs zero dollars to stop on weekends and create new ridership and revenue. Its a 60 second time penalty.

Hell, make it a flag stop.
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No, that's not true. Because of the time to accelerate and decelerate, it's closer to 3-4 minutes. The line interacts with Amtrak and eight other MBTA lines at South Station, and CSX all over the line. Even at midday and weekends, you will still have conflicts with all of those by arbitrarily lengthening schedules. Flag stops are even worse. They increase the variability on your schedule.

The initial ridership off-peak and weekends is going to be very, very low. Non-zero, but low. For getting downtown, the vastly better frequencies of the Green Line or 66+Red Line will beat out the somewhat faster commuter rail. On-peak is where the initial value of the station is; off-peak value develops after the on-peak demand is clear. The station is going to be very lightly used outside of rush hours until you see more frequent close-facing service at all times. Ten-years-down-the-road Indigo-style frequencies are when the station gets used heavily at all hours.

If you start with only off-peak/weekend service, you will burn more fuel in decel-dwell-accel than you make in ticket sales. Worse: from the public perspective, you'd be opening a station that's not useful to most of them, making it less likely that they'll switch when peak service begins. You'd do more harm than good to open the station before you can offer rush-hour service.
 
Yeah, i heard about the "Silverliner V" cataclysm on a recent trip to Philadelphia.

Wow, i didn't realize things had gotten so out of hand. seems like the Philadelphia commuter trains were better some time ago.

hopefully they get that worked out.

Should we have scooped up some Silverliner IV's and put them into use years ago?? or are they shit too?
 
odurandina said:
^^ i wish, in a few years after many new projects are done, they would electrify a few of the commuter lines for short/nimble/fast GE Silverliners (latter day/green Buddliner) for intermediate/lower-demand trips inside Rt128 and then add a few late-night trains to Readville, Needham, Wellesley, Woburn, Melrose, etc. Sad to see the T lagging behind DC and peer Philly metro.
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Odurandia -- see my post today on General MBTA -- UltraBlue about taking some liberties with some Blue Line mated pairs [ ;) ] by providing them with fast charging high energy density batteries -- then we do some electrifying and Voila state of the art Greeny CR with relatively high frequency of service -- the Buddliner reborn
 
odurandina said:
Yeah, i heard about the "Silverliner V" cataclysm on a recent trip to Philadelphia.

Wow, i didn't realize things had gotten so out of hand. seems like the Philadelphia commuter trains were better some time ago.

hopefully they get that worked out.

Should we have scooped up some Silverliner IV's and put them into use years ago?? or are they shit too?
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SEPTA Regional Rail has never been good at much of anything. Management is completely clueless, the crumbling station infrastructure is 4th-world and has the worst ADA compliance in the U.S., none of the lines that go on non-Amtrak infrastructure go any further out of town than the Fairmount Line because they outright abandoned half their system 33 years ago, and their schedules are pretty damn underwhelming vs. their dieselized neighbors with no institutional urgency to improve them. The Silverliner IV's and express push-pulls are the only thing providing service right now...every car in their possession and every car they can beg/borrow/steal from a neighboring agency is on the road all-day/every-day. And the Silverliner IV's are 43 years old and so far past replacement date that they fail all the time. It's not enough. The SLV's won't be back for up to 2 more months because Rotem's second-source vendor for the faulty parts went out of business and they have to fabricate the replacement parts from-scratch.


The skin-deep fact that they are all-electric, possess EMU's as a primary fleet, have close stop spacing, and have a run-thru downtown tunnel seems to trick people into holding them up as a reference example of How Things Should Be Done™. It's a reliable old strawman argument to use against any diesel commuter line in North America and go "We suck! First-world vs. third-world! Not Invented Here blah blah!" very loudly on the Internet. You can tell these people have no clue what they're talking about when they shout down in blog comment sections actual SEPTA regular riders who try to make a beleaguered "Uhhh, guys..." interjection about what their real-world daily commute experience is in Greater Philly.

There are many arguments to be made for a better-quality MBTA commuter rail. Going straigtht for the SEPTA fallacy on first move is the absolute wrongest way to make that point, and surest-fire way to self-defeat an argument. Because SEPTA is: The Worst-run Commuter Rail Agency in the Western Hemisphere 3 Decades Running. Their reputation and duration that reputation has lasted laps the field.
 
This is going to be a hell of a gateway to the city when this along with the pike realignment/allston parcels are developed.
 
stick n move said:
This is going to be a hell of a gateway to the city when this along with the pike realignment/allston parcels are developed.
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Stick -- suggest that you look at my list of the "cores" of the Hub posted on Future Skyline
Old 09-03-2016, 07:03 AM #291 based on the downburst aerial image

highlighting by bold
Here are the emerging cores with tallness and denseness as the ordering element:
  • Financial - DTX
    highlighted by SST, Winnie and Millie
  • Copley - Pru
    Highlighted by Copley, 200 Clarendon, Pru, 1 Dalton
  • Bulfinch - North Station
    Highlighted by Bulfinch, Hub at Causeway, Avalon Bay
  • Fenway - Longwood
    Highlighted by Pierce
  • Southey Seaport
    Highlighted by Whiskey-Priest, Skanska 1, Seaport Square
  • MIT -- Kendall
    Highlighted by MIT Towers, Boston Properties, Volpe

    [*] Sports-ville
    Highlighted by Sneaker, Celts, Bruins, .....

    [*] West-ville -- aka Beacon Park
    Highlighted by ???? Supertall?
  • Assembly-ville
    Highlighted by Partners and ????
  • Eastie
    Highlighted by ????
  • Navy Yard
    Highlighted by Spaulding and ???
  • Sullivan to Casino
    Highlighted by Cassino and ?????
  • Dudley
  • South Bay -- Dot Ave
  • Olympia [aka Widett Circle]
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/b...na-brighton/tqYq3AmYoGT5ArZ6RMXy3M/story.html

According to Halliday, the Celtics next month will break ground on their own new training facility, located immediately to the west of the Warrior rink. They’ll be vacating their current workout home along the edge of Route 128 in Waltham...

A high-rise apartment of some 400 rental units (studios up to three bedrooms) soon will break ground. A hotel is also planned...

Plans for the new track facility, with some 10,000 seats, have been finalized, according to Halliday, and it will be constructed directly across from the Big Ship HQ building on Guest Street. The apartment building will be erected adjacent to the track.
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Apparently, the idea of building the arena started with the Bruins. Huh. I had assumed it was an NB ambition thing.
 
Equilibria said:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/b...na-brighton/tqYq3AmYoGT5ArZ6RMXy3M/story.html



Apparently, the idea of building the arena started with the Bruins. Huh. I had assumed it was an NB ambition thing.
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Equilibria

Plans for the new track facility, with some 10,000 seats, have been finalized, according to Halliday, and it will be constructed directly across from the Big Ship HQ building on Guest Street. The apartment building will be erected adjacent to the track.
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Since we aren't going to get the Olympics -- we're Boston -- NB can host its own games

Track, Ice sports, Basketball, walk a few blocks and you can row and sail

The only thing Sportsville [new name for Brighton Landing] needs is an Olympic scale swimming center
 
Opening day:

https://twitter.com/gintautasd/status/774012874977140736

Gintautas Dumcius @gintautasd
Gov. Baker, Mayor Walsh, Speaker DeLeo and a whole bunch of fancy looking folks here for opening of this

Cr3YmJUXYAACNIM.jpg:small
 
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The track and field facility is going to have 10,000 seats? For what? How many track and field events can be hosted each year that would draw even 1,000 spectators?

Also, a recent Herald Article quoted the project manager as saying "maybe" in regards to the hotel component. In any event, it will be a long time before a hotel opens here, if ever. They plan to build the residential building, the Celtics facility, the track and field facility and then "maybe" the hotel. Oh well, I guess we can't expect them to build everything at once.
 
BosDevelop said:
The track and field facility is going to have 10,000 seats? For what? How many track and field events can be hosted each year that would draw even 1,000 spectators?
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A 10k seat track facility at NB is perplexing, but also pretty awesome. It's great to see people in this city dreaming big.

Boston already has TWO elite-class indoor track facilities at BU and the Reggie Lewis Center, and Harvard's facility is no slouch either.

NB has been really leaning into their track and field sponsorship lately, with an apparent focus on indoor. They already sponsor a large indoor circuit and have their name on the track at The Armory, which is the highest profile indoor facility in America (and it only seats 4k). A new 10k seat facility in Brighton could be a move to make NB become for indoor what Nike/Hayward Field are for outdoor. Maybe they'll even include an oversized (400m) track.

whighlander said:
The only thing Sportsville [new name for Brighton Landing] needs is an Olympic scale swimming center
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NB has made practically no investment in swimming, so unlikely that they'd build an elite facility here.
 
They will ...when they decide to compete with Speedo for the swim gear market. Thus why Warrior Arena.

cca
 
cca said:
They will ...when they decide to compete with Speedo for the swim gear market. Thus why Warrior Arena.
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New Balance has been selling hockey gear under the Warrior name since 2005 and their hockey rink is opening in 2016.

I don't think New Balance even has a swimsuit currently on the market. By the time they're in a position to (maybe, some day) challenge Speedo (and Arena and TYR and Aqua Sphere) for elite swimming gear and sponsorships, the facility in Brighton will have long been built out.

Swimming is also unique in that the premier swimwear companies (Speedo, Arena, TYR, Aqua Sphere) are swimwear companies only. Adidas plays some part in the sport, but Nike has pretty much pulled out entirely. This isn't the case for track or hockey or basketball or et cetera.
 
JumboBuc said:
A 10k seat track facility at NB is perplexing, but also pretty awesome. It's great to see people in this city dreaming big.
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Millrose brought in ~9,500 at the last occurrence in Madison Square Garden. If they can hit 10k for spectators in Boston, I would be impressed.
 
And where would NB build a 400 meter track with seating for 10,000? If one slides down the 'Pike and looks at the footprint for Nickerson Field, and widens that footprint, it would seem the only way such a facility would fit at BL would be if NB owned and used the self-storage building on N. Beacon.

One could use the infield of a 400 meter track for indoor soccer, lacrosse, even football.

If its a 200 meter track. then you could use the infield for tennis, gymnastics, volleyball.
 
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