Cambridge Crossing (NorthPoint) | East Cambridge/Charlestown | Cambridge/Boston

Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Couple images from an amendment to the master plan. Hadn't seen these before, but they look to be a couple years old based on the artist's signature. Second image is hard to place in context. Not sure what building it is supposed to be and the docs don't help. http://www.somervillema.gov/sites/d... Initial Application Submittal - complete.pdf

cDLffqa.png


IyCztiy.png
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Looks like a gussied up Stuyvesant Town to me.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Yeah. I always thought that's what Northpoint was going for.

Yeah, given the location, that's not a total disaster, but you're right. Assembly is building out in a more urban way but this feels more West End than Assembly is going for. Shame. Of course, Northpoint really doesn't have a killer app like a shopping, theater, or Partners (or, ahem, a casino).

It's killer app is proximity to good stuff, rather than having any good stuff of its own.

Built out like this, it risks always having that urban bedroom community vibe.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Yeah, given the location, that's not a total disaster, but you're right. Assembly is building out in a more urban way but this feels more West End than Assembly is going for. Shame. Of course, Northpoint really doesn't have a killer app like a shopping, theater, or Partners (or, ahem, a casino).

It's killer app is proximity to good stuff, rather than having any good stuff of its own.

Built out like this, it risks always having that urban bedroom community vibe.

It's also kind of hard to have a killer app when the only egresses out of the whole development are Museum Way @ O'Brien, East St. @ O'Brien, Leighton St. @ O'Brien (right-turn only, no signal), and Water St. @ O'Brien (right-turn only, no signal. It's a funnel dumping to a 2000 ft. radius of a single artery and single T stop (at least until Gilmore Bridge gets a very tall switchback ramp and much-improved sidewalk to make Community College direct-accessible from way down there).

Car, bike, ped, transit...it really isn't possible to make a city center out of that place the way you can at Assembly with the corner-to-corner access roads, I-93 interchange, path system, and bus route access to go along with the T station. There's too much dead-end flow at Northpoint with its singular dependency on a narrow stretch of O'Brien being the only access to the outside world and all bike/ped/transit being shaped by that singular access point.

It's not a bug or a feature. It just is what it is. Gilmore Bridge isn't easily widened or connectible to a street grid that would have to reach skyward to get there. Boston Engine Terminal, Boston Sand & Gravel, and the Leverett Ramps block any attempt at a mega-footbridge any further north of the existing North Bank one in the far Charles corner. So you build density that suits. Too urban wouldn't have attracted the hordes of people required for it to be successfully urban because there's nowhere to circulate them through, and it would've been seen as a failure. So step it down a notch and let mid-density with killer location be the selling point.

Splitting-hairs stuff aside, I don't think there's a whole lot of macro-level changes from the site plan that would've made a big difference. This is pretty much the right-sized density for making the most of those access constraints. They didn't tuck a giant honking freight classification yard in there for 150 years so the immigrant labor had easy access to shopping and lunchtime eating options on their nonexistent lunch breaks. Giant flat boxed-in slab o' land with killer location and only 1 streetside exit was kind of the whole point. It'd be way more suspect if Northpoint approached the slab o' land with some bullheaded manifest destiny of "we...must...change...the...game" when the access points and throughput between those access points aren't a game that can be changed for any users. Embrace it, extend it...that's what they went for.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

(Couldn't find the EF thread)

20268262709_c487e931f5_b.jpg


20266881918_c87e7b2806_b.jpg
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

When the McGrath comes down, the OBrien could be very seriously curbed back. More along the lines of Cambridge St in the West End/Beacon Hill. Or even better. At that point, this place could be very seriously stitched in to East Cambridge -- and at that point, that is when they'll realize how sleepy this little bedroom community is and think of what it could have been.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

NorthPoint sold for $300 million to DivcoWest, "a San Francisco area developer that specializes in tech-oriented neighborhoods".

Globe: $300 million deal jumpstarts NorthPoint development in Cambridge

Boston Globe said:
Divco says it will soon push ahead with a site plan that calls for 2.4 million square feet of residential space and a combined 2.1 million feet of office, research and retail space, arrayed around 11 acres of parks and the new Lechmere stop on the to-be-extended Green Line.

Last month, developers received approval from the Cambridge Planning Commission to accelerate parts of the project and “allow several buildings to be developed simultaneously.”

The deal injects new life into a development that’s been marked by stops and starts for more than a decade.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

NorthPoint sold for $300 million to DivcoWest, "a San Francisco area developer that specializes in tech-oriented neighborhoods".

Globe: $300 million deal jumpstarts NorthPoint development in Cambridge

Quick breakdown, 42 acres:
-2.4 million square feet of residential with nearly 3000 apartments
-2.1 million square feet of office, research, and retail
-11 acres of parkland

Is that good? It sounds like a lot, but is it a lot for 42 acres?

By the way, I found a "lazy man's" way to get around the Boston Globe's 5 article monthly limit. If you copy the article into a different browser (personal example chrome and firefox) it appears that each browser has its own separate 5 article limit. Throw in internet explorer and you could probably read 15 a month.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Incognito mode on chrome also works to get around it
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Quick breakdown, 42 acres:
-2.4 million square feet of residential with nearly 3000 apartments
-2.1 million square feet of office, research, and retail
-11 acres of parkland

Is that good? It sounds like a lot, but is it a lot for 42 acres?

By the way, I found a "lazy man's" way to get around the Boston Globe's 5 article monthly limit. If you copy the article into a different browser (personal example chrome and firefox) it appears that each browser has its own separate 5 article limit. Throw in internet explorer and you could probably read 15 a month.

You can just choose a "private" tab on any of those browsers and there is no limit to how many articles you can read. It does something to the tracking system which limits you to 5 articles per month.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Off topic: Edit This Cookie is a nifty free Chrome extension that gets tossed around too. It has a two-click way to clear all cookies from a webpage (useful for airline sites as well), as well as finer controls for other purposes. Presumably useful for debugging cookies on a site you control too. (I have no connection whatsoever to the developers.)

On topic: So what does this actually mean for Northpoint? Speeding up of the existing plans?
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

3000 apartments in 42 acres means a density of 3000*640/42 = 45714 apartments per square mile, or a population density in the 50-100 k per square mile range. That sounds pretty good to me.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

3000 apartments in 42 acres means a density of 3000*640/42 = 45714 apartments per square mile, or a population density in the 50-100 k per square mile range. That sounds pretty good to me.

I wish they would put a few 800 to 1000 foot towers here. It is one of the last places where current FAA guidelines would allow that.

Edit: Here is the map for reference:

BOS_COMPOSITE_Ver1pt0X_jan09.jpg
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

^ Best part is, the shadows would almost entirely be contained to the industrial areas north of there. NIMBYs would have one less thing to complain about.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Since y'all brought it up, this has been my biggest question about Northpoint for years: will there be a big tower? There definitely should be: it's got space, not a lot of neighbors, cleared by the FAA, marketing itself as world class, a "destination." Why not do a solidly tall tower? It'd look great with the North Station and North Point towers facing each other across the river. Put another tower in Gov'nt Center Garage, another in Kendall, and you'd have a really cool set of tall buildings with adequate space left between them. I know it's filled in land and Cambridge has tight zoning, but if Kendall's under discussion, why not do this site too?
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

I feel you Tangent.

But for the sake of discussion, here's where I think Cambridge's head's is at vis a vis Northpoint:

Cambridge has 23rd lowest residential prop tax rate in Massachusetts. That ranking could easily double "best places to vacation in Massachusetts" listicle. We're talking Chilmark, Aquinnah, Edgartown, West Tisbury, Truro, Wellfleet, Nantucket, etc... Of the 22 towns with lower R/O rates, the only two that crest over 10,000 residents are Dennis and Nantucket and Cambridge is 1.7x the size of those 22 towns combined. Cambridge's tax levy has the largest of CIP share of any major city in the Commonwealth. Yes Boston and Everett are not far behind, but there's something else: Cambridge has one of the highest excess levy capacities in the state, it only collects about 74% of the allowable levy (and Mass has very tight restrictions on those levies). Boston collects near-all the money it possibly can, Everett leaves a fraction on the table too, but it's excess capacity rate has been shrinking for the past decade while Cambridge's has been rising precipitously. Nearly all other communities in Metro Boston collect the full sum, Cambridge is pretty unique in this regard - the only other places with similarly high levels of excess capacity are industrial towns and rural, Western Mass villages. There's certainly no other town in Mass that's able to parlay "modern" industries' into low residential rates.

Low property rates didn't instigate Cambridge's turn around, but you can be well-assured that Cantabs want to keep those rates as low as fucking possible. A substantial increase in residents can put pressure on the current tax regime - it doesn't have to be that way, but the city's going to be thinking about the cost of municipal services: education being numero uno as Cambridge spends the most per student in Massachusetts. It's easily the largest line item in the budget - a new development could bring the specter of families and thus children. It's sorta screwed up incentive, but schools cost cities a lot of money so families are not necessarily the most..."desired" groups (for example: Brookline).

A new, super-dense development could pay the increased costs in municipal services and would be a sorely needed improvement for the regional economy and housing market, but anything that risks low rates in Cambridge is going to be a fight. Combine that with the already conservative nature of development in the People's Republic...I think a supertall (or fuck it, just reasonably tall) is DOA, however unfortunate that is.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Since y'all brought it up, this has been my biggest question about Northpoint for years: will there be a big tower? There definitely should be: it's got space, not a lot of neighbors, cleared by the FAA, marketing itself as world class, a "destination." Why not do a solidly tall tower? It'd look great with the North Station and North Point towers facing each other across the river. Put another tower in Gov'nt Center Garage, another in Kendall, and you'd have a really cool set of tall buildings with adequate space left between them. I know it's filled in land and Cambridge has tight zoning, but if Kendall's under discussion, why not do this site too?

Basically if not here then it is hard to see another 800 to 1000 foot tower being built in or near Boston. Or even a 500 to 600 foot tower, besides the already proposed ones. Maybe another tall tower somewhat near prudential if you could figure it out. Maybe over the Pike there. Maybe Volpe's redevelopment. But it seems like that was going to be kept under 600 feet. Maybe south of Sullivan Square. A tall tower at North Point at the northern end of that park would be a great spot.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Just because they can doesn't mean they should. The Northpoint plan as it was was fine. Making a neighborhood of supertall buildings in a city with no demand for it is just stupid. Cambridge doesn't need supertall buildings; their growing economy is based on tech and health care, two things that don't work well with tall buildings. They need large open floorplans and Northpoint will be perfect for that. The residential element also couldn't support towers that large because the cost would mean the prices would be the most expensive in the state. Boston is just seeing if it can pull that off now but only is the densest and most desirable parts of the city.
 
Re: NorthPoint Cambridge (The one that was train yards, the big plan.)

Just because they can doesn't mean they should. The Northpoint plan as it was was fine. Making a neighborhood of supertall buildings in a city with no demand for it is just stupid. Cambridge doesn't need supertall buildings; their growing economy is based on tech and health care, two things that don't work well with tall buildings. They need large open floorplans and Northpoint will be perfect for that. The residential element also couldn't support towers that large because the cost would mean the prices would be the most expensive in the state. Boston is just seeing if it can pull that off now but only is the densest and most desirable parts of the city.

No city "needs" supertall buildings. They are extravagant. But if you like supertall, then this would be the next best spot in the Boston Metro. I'd put it above Kendall because it is on both the green and orange lines. I'd wager there is demand enough.
 

Back
Top