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GW2500 said:
Yea definately, a dj who mashes two songs together has more skill and talent than a jazz artist. I mean anyone can just pick up an instrument and create something as amazing as Victor Whooten does, but to take two songs and mash them together, that takes years to figure out.
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You know nothing. I only mentioned a single form of DJs and there are many types. Composers, mixers, club deejays, and performers. While it is easier to mix music, composing music is much difference and it's no different than a jazz artist. While a jazz artists composes music and jams with his saxophone, djs uses the keyboard just like a pianist would. And yes it does take a few years to figure it out and perfect it. I've spent 3 years already on it and I'm not even close to be able to create my own mixes yet because I have to learn how to play the piano better to do so. But I don't blame you for not knowing that. You're a 'novice' to the techno world and probably can't tell the difference in how well done the transition from one song to the other is or how well done the remixes are. I can and it will take years to learn how to do so before you can even start composing your own songs.
 
^^ see there is your problem, you can't play an insturment well. And no DJ will ever be as talented Victor Whooten, Dennis Chambers, and Michael Jackson, just to name a few. You glow stick/ Jersey shore boys give your art way too much credit.
 
Further more, lets go through your list. Composers, all I?ve ever hear from techno is very simple music, w/ artificial percussion. The one thing I will say about techno composers is that they do create some cool tones, actually that is techno music?s saving grace. The mixers, that?s not tough. You take the harmony from one song and mix it with the melody of another. So you take songs that are in the same key and roughly the same tempo and mix and match. I imagine that what you do is take songs that harmonically are doing a repetitive motif and not some distinct chord progression, and then take the melody of another song in the same key. Maybe you have to turn a knob a little bit to match tempo or modulate a key, but that involves twisting a knob. And then finally Club Djs and performers, not sure what the difference is, if a person is singing then that does require legit musical talent, but most of the voices I?ve heard in techo are generic and forgettable. I?m sorry but the genre as a whole is a lot flash and not a lot of gumption.
 
GW2500 said:
^^ see there is your problem, you can't play an insturment well. And no DJ will ever be as talented Victor Whooten, Dennis Chambers, and Michael Jackson, just to name a few. You glow stick/ Jersey shore boys give your art way too much credit.

Further more, lets go through your list. Composers, all I?ve ever hear from techno is very simple music, w/ artificial percussion. The one thing I will say about techno composers is that they do create some cool tones, actually that is techno music?s saving grace. The mixers, that?s not tough. You take the harmony from one song and mix it with the melody of another. So you take songs that are in the same key and roughly the same tempo and mix and match. I imagine that what you do is take songs that harmonically are doing a repetitive motif and not some distinct chord progression, and then take the melody of another song in the same key. Maybe you have to turn a knob a little bit to match tempo or modulate a key, but that involves twisting a knob. And then finally Club Djs and performers, not sure what the difference is, if a person is singing then that does require legit musical talent, but most of the voices I?ve heard in techo are generic and forgettable. I?m sorry but the genre as a whole is a lot flash and not a lot of gumption.
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What are you talking about? Did I say that I am a world famous DJ? I only recently started. If you think that composers are just djs with a turntable and nothing else, then you definitely know absolutely nothing. First of all, mixers can be composers can be singers. A few well known ones are Basshunter, Scooter, and Cascada. Voices you heard of techno generic? What music have you been listening too? That's like me saying all jazz music are from saxophones and thus are very generic. The voices of jazz musicians are all the same gruffy voices. And if you still think that djs are just turntable, get over yourself. Techno can get involved with instruments like piano and guitars and not generated ones either. Go to a Scooter concert. Just because you don't understand a style of music, doesn't mean that it is a talentless art.
 
GW2500 said:
^^ see there is your problem, you can't play an insturment well. And no DJ will ever be as talented Victor Whooten, Dennis Chambers, and Michael Jackson, just to name a few. You glow stick/ Jersey shore boys give your art way too much credit.
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which instrument did MJ play again? I'm so confused what the point you are trying to make is....
 
MJ's instrument was his voice, it was pretty impecable. I bet he could play a piano too, but thats just speculation. And my point is this, I think techno sucks, which is definatley opinion, but to say just about all other styles of music have more talent in them is a general truth.

And this was already said, but Kent to sugest that Djs improve more than Jazz musicians, kind of shows that you got more learn about music than me.
 
blade_bltz said:
Wait, are you serious? I may just be taking issue with your casual use of the second-person, but when I tried to listen to that shit you posted a few pages ago the only thing I was excited about was gouging my ears out. (And try to convince the hundreds of millions of, say, hard rock fans across the world that their music isn't exciting). Whatever, it's besides the point anyway...my whole point was to suggest that music has tons of value apart from its "mood-brightening" ability (...the success of which obviously varies with individual preferences...so it's stupid to even bicker over...face palm)

On the spontaneity point...Kent, come on. The entire basis of jazz music is improvisation. Developing that combination of chops and ingenuity that goes into being able not to sound like crap takes a lifetime. And obviously it's not just jazz. Anyone who's played an instrument knows something about improvisation. Any self-respecting rock band will take solos. (When people started playing 2 minute punk tunes with no improvisation, that was a deliberate choice against the establishment). So, yes, I can see why the spontaneity point is appealing for a DJ, but it's hardly unique.

And of course spontaneity isn't the only virtue. So, no, a concert pianist isn't concerned with spontaneity. Does that make it any easier to perform at the level of a concert pianist???
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It's your opinion and I know I can't change it (and you can't change mine), just don't start randomly bitching about my grammar, I hope you're not Ned's alt or anything. I can improvise on clarinet, I have a wide musical background, and while making techno may not be the hardest, it is by far the most satisfying. But whatever, just my opinion
 
This is an interesting discussion wrapped in a stupid argument.
 
GW2500 said:
MJ's instrument was his voice, it was pretty impecable. I bet he could play a piano too, but thats just speculation. And my point is this, I think techno sucks, which is definatley opinion, but to say just about all other styles of music have more talent in them is a general truth.

And this was already said, but Kent to sugest that Djs improve more than Jazz musicians, kind of shows that you got more learn about music than me.
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And you have much to learn about music as well if you still think that Djs are talentless or less talent than others. I have already proved to you that techno musicians can sing (Cascada, Basshunter, Ian Van Dahl, and Scooter), play instruments (as many techno musicians use pianos to compose), and mix music (many of the aforementioned artists remix songs). You hate techno and that's where your "truth" is coming from and it's very obvious at that too. I see the best deejays are equal to today's musicians. I don't like jazz myself but I don't trash someone's talent because I don't like it.
 
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And of course spontaneity isn't the only virtue. So, no, a concert pianist isn't concerned with spontaneity. Does that make it any easier to perform at the level of a concert pianist???
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No, it isn't any easier. However, a techno artist also perform concerts using guitars and pianos on stage yet just because they are a dj or a techno artist, GW believes they are less talented. The point is, they are on equal level to musicians today and some may even good enough to be spoken in the same conversation among legendary musicians.

And the reason why I'm taking offense from GW he probably never touched a turntable, or used a computer program to mix music, or use a musical instrument to mix a song, but makes an ignorant statement saying that we djs are lesser in talent. He believes being a dj is just twisting knobs and scratching the disc. Get real.
 
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BarbaricManchurian said:
...I play clarinet pretty well and while classical music may be interesting to listen intently to and envision a scene, it's not going to get you excited about anything.
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A heartbreaking sentiment. My friend Eran is also a pretty good clarinetist.

For what it's worth, I'm trying to convince a friend of mine to compose a piece for wind quintet and turntablist.
 
^^Jeff does make it look easy. I WANNA SEE YOU DJ ABLARC MASTER THREE TURNTABLES!!
 
It was just the SOUND, man.

(No doubt about the skill.)
 
Yeah, I'm not huge into the sound either. It's just that the guy is a great DJ.
 
Ok Kent, I guess you like that Venga Boys too, b/c Cassandra (who seemed more like a generic pop star) Basshunter, Ian Van Dahl (was she "tell me a fable" chick) , and Scooter were straight cheese. I listened to a couple songs of each. If you want to say they are equal to crap rock and pop bands then sure. And I think the main reason you don't trash Jazz is b/c you know they are just superior musicians. For real the are the Jedi Knights of music.

As far as that DJ Mills goes, yea he's talented. But I'm sorry at least a third of all that knob twisting ain't doing shit. I watched and listened to it very closely. I encourage you to do the same. I mean I can turn knobs on my amp for 10 minutes to make it look busier, but unlike him I allways have to be playing. He can sit on one beat for 10 seconds, plan his next move and then turn a knob. A "traditional" musician is allways creating on the fly. He mainly uses one record as the main beat, uses another to inject different types of sounds and then eventually cross fades to a beat on another record. He does it well and he makes it look cool, but again I don't think its all that memorable (from a sonic stand point). And if he is one of the top dogs in Dj/Techno land well then any of these guys trumps him in a heart beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6c5_5WdAmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx2vuK5pGTg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaXBwz2gJH0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thls_tMuFkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvMwStbZrpQ
 
^^Yeah, but all that crap you like is boring.

....but they're still good musicians...

...too bad they still make boring music...
 
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