City Hall Discussion - Redevelopment - Preservation - Relocation

Re: Menino Proposes Selling City Hall

Well, she's a fucking idiot. Can she read as well as type?

The city is only doing this because it already qualified for money from the federal government to "Green" city hall & other city properties. So, we're receiving money so we can "create jobs", dumbshit lady.

From Boston.com:

Boston is one of five cities nationwide selected by the US Environmental Protection Agency to participate in the Greening America?s Capitals program. The other capitals chosen are Charleston, W.Va.; Hartford, Conn.; Jefferson City, Miss.; and Little Rock, Ark.

That designation comes with funding for a team of designers to produce drawings that will aid in the planning process. The EPA selected Boston-based Utile, Inc. Architecture + Planning to lead the process.

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news...nt_cen.html?camp=localsearch:on:twit:rtbutton
 
Re: Menino Proposes Selling City Hall

This woman makes some good points, but kills her credibility with the following:

Who doesn?t like to stroll through the Rose Kennedy Greenway?...Bostonians have come to appreciate the concrete and brick expanse that is City Hall Plaza.
 
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A 10-year plan for City Hall Plaza
New incremental approach starts with remodeled T station, trees


By Casey Ross
Globe Staff / March 16, 2011

The transformation of Boston?s City Hall Plaza is supposed to take shape before you even know it?s happening.

Next year, the plaza?s bunker-like subway station will be replaced with a sleek glass structure. Then, trees will start to appear along Cambridge Street and in the plaza itself. Eventually, they will frame a new amphitheater for concerts, theater performances, and special events.

Within 10 years, the nine-acre plaza will scarcely resemble the barren expanse of red brick so many Bostonians have come to detest.

That?s the new strategy being pursued by city planners, who said they are finished with grandiose, all-in-one plans to revitalize the plaza. No longer will they entertain sweeping proposals for a baseball diamond, fountains, vegetable gardens, or a grand hotel and retail complex ? all actual ideas from the past. A slower, step-by-step approach, they said, is the only way to fix a dysfunctional civic space that has rejected decades of efforts to improve it.

?The problem with all the previous proposals is that they all tried to fix the plaza with one big idea,?? said Kairos Shen, chief planner with the Boston Redevelopment Authority. ?This approach will allow us to gradually make changes over time that will create something really transformative.??

The specific plans are being generated in meetings hosted by Utile Inc., a Boston architectural firm that won a $54,000 grant from the Environmental Protection Agency to redesign the plaza to be greener, and with more usable public space. The next meeting is planned for early next month, though a date has not been set.

So far, the work has produced a pair of rough designs, each organized around the concept of adding bands of trees to create shade and smaller, more intimate gathering spaces.

?The idea is to give the plaza structure and create different scales of experience,?? said Tim Love, a principal of Utile. ?An important question to ask here is, ?What can this space do well that doesn?t work on Boston Common or the [Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy] Greenway?? ??

For much of the year, the plaza is a dead zone between the two, with only occasional festivals and annual visits by the Big Apple Circus.

In his research, Love found some early designs that resemble the current proposal. A 1961 plan by I.M. Pei & Partners called for a lawn with a series of pathways through the plaza. An earlier effort called for a much wider, more gradual staircase rising from Faneuil Hall to the plaza.

A key aspect of the current design calls for smoothing out the slope between Cambridge and Congress streets, where visitors encounter multiple sets of stairs that make the plaza harder to traverse and close off spaces that could be used for cafe tables or small events.

Utile is developing the plan with the landscape architecture firm Reed Hilderbrand, a Watertown company that has worked on designs for the Greenway, the Arnold Arboretum, and the Christian Science Plaza.

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? past and future?We don?t envision creating a garden here. The plaza still has to be urban,?? said Eric Kramer, a senior associate with the firm. ?But we have to find ways to make the pervasive paved surface more accessible in a way that can still manage crowds and allow trees to thrive.??

Instead of traditional tree boxes, the firm is working on a design to place large amounts of soil under the brick to allow for dozens of new trees. The exact number of trees has not been determined, but they would be arranged to form a central gathering space about the size of the Hatch Shell on the Charles River Esplanade.

A smaller opening would be created closer to Congress Street, where officials are thinking of placing a bike storage and rental facility.

Officials said the transformation of the plaza will begin with a pair of projects scheduled to begin in 2012.

One is the effort to redesign the main entrance to City Hall and improve its accessibility to the disabled.

The other is a $72 million project to replace the MBTA?s bunker-like station at Government Center. That project would include changes to the edge of the plaza along Cambridge Street, where officials want to plant additional trees and create a wider crosswalk, similar to the one at Harvard Square Station.

Shen said those two projects will allow the city to revamp the plaza over several years. He said the approach is one that worked well at Fenway Park, where former Red Sox architect Janet Marie Smith spent years remolding the ballpark with an array of renovations.

?Most people would say Fenway feels the same today, even though it?s really completely different,?? Shen said.

?And that?s what we want to do in City Hall Plaza. After several phases of work, we?ll end up with a completely different place, but it will be like you didn?t know it was happening.??

Casey Ross can be reached at cross@globe.com.

http://www.boston.com/business/arti...many_false_starts_a_new_city_hall_plaza_plan/

I can already see the headline five years from now.

"City Hall Plaza, still bare and devoid of people, have city planners scratching their heads."
 
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?The problem with all the previous proposals is that they all tried to fix the plaza with one big idea,?? said Kairos Shen, chief planner with the Boston Redevelopment Authority. ?This approach will allow us to gradually make changes over time that will create something really transformative.??

This guy's idea of transfer over time is a new basket of flowers each spring.



The specific plans are being generated in meetings hosted by Utile Inc.,

Great Utile did such a great job with their design plans for the Greenway lets give them a new contract "CITY HALL PLAZA" Who inside Utile does the Mayor know?
 
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Trees magically create vibrant urban spaces. That's why people visit cities like New York, Paris, London and others, for the trees. That's why people pay a premium to live in the city. Trees are what make cities great. Trees.
 
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At the very least, they need to reestablish Hanover Street through the plaza and tear down the lowrise portion of the JFK. Anything short of that is lipstick on a pig.
 
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Briv said:
That's why people visit cities like New York, Paris, London and others, for the trees. That's why people pay a premium to live in the city.

Not that I think this is in any way a good idea, but to play devil's advocate, apartments with Central Park views command some of the highest residential prices in NYC. So some people do pay extra for a view of the trees. :/
 
Re: Menino Proposes Selling City Hall

I felt similar, about trees. I've never once gone into a forrest and said look at this great urban space. Also since we already have the Hatchshell and its not that far away, do we need another one?
 
Re: Menino Proposes Selling City Hall

These proposals look to be a band-aid solutions, if too many bricks are
bad then the answer must be more trees and grass.

I agree that the real solution is to bring more people to the area. I think even a bad design would be a success with enough people.

I may have posted this before but I think City Hall should become the 'city center'. Menino claims one reason to relocate the city hall is that with so much being done online the city doesn't need as big a building. This frees space in the building to be put to other civic uses. Make it a major location for bike riders with lockers and showers like Chicago. Park tour busses underneath, getting them off the streets. Create the city's main visitors center in the building for visitors to the city and that would include locals. Set up incubator space for the Boston History Museum. Add an auditorium that can be used by the city during the day and groups, including local school groups, at night. The city's TV studio should be in this building. Start using the buildings art gallery again.

Outside replace the brick walls with glass where possible. The plans posted in the Globe show a building between City Hall and the JFK. If this site is big enough then put the much needed Opera House there. Re-name the current Opera House to it's original name, B F Keith, after all there are no operas being performed there.

And keep city government in this central location.
 
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We can call it the Thomas Michael Menino Greenway and immortalize both the mayor and the void plaza in one go.
 
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Not that I think this is in any way a good idea, but to play devil's advocate, apartments with Central Park views command some of the highest residential prices in NYC. So some people do pay extra for a view of the trees. :/

There're no luxorious apartments surrounding City Hall.

There will never be (any new) apartments that will be able to overlook an entire park thanks to the shadow ban.

Moot point, at least in Boston.
 
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Hence, the "Not that I think this is in any way a good idea" bit.
 
Re: Menino Proposes Selling City Hall

The renderings look a bit to wooded for my taste, but trees are not necessarily a bad thing. We have several examples of public plazas in Boston that incorporate a significant arboreal element.

This:
paul-revere-mall.jpg


And this:
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are both very attractive and popular destinations. In particular, the trees and associated benches on the CS plaza are an enjoyable resting spot in the summer. So I'm okay with some trees. If they can thin or in some other way corral the forest, then it would be okay. But I don't think it will fix the plaza, just maybe make it slightly more pleasant.
 
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clearly they are channeling the lush tropical forests around the Aztec pyramid/city hall....

who should we sacrifice first?
 
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Honestly though, the good greenspace / bad greenspace thing ist he one bit in urban design that gives me fits. I can never really figure out where/how/why greenspace will/can be successful in any given area.
 
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For me, the quality of a park or public space has very little to do with the actual park or space and everything to do with where the park is and what lines the park's edges. The Comm Ave Mall is one of my favorite places in Boston, but remove it from the Back Bay and that beautiful urban fabric that compliments it--and it compliments--so wonderfully then what's left? Not much. Likewise with the Paul Revere Mall. Put it in the West End and it becomes nothing. Stick the Common in the exurbs and it doesn't even register. Etc.
 
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Trees magically create vibrant urban spaces. That's why people visit cities like New York, Paris, London and others, for the trees. That's why people pay a premium to live in the city. Trees are what make cities great. Trees.

This is a bit weak, as lots of people visit Central Park, Prospect Park, the Bronx Botanical Garden, and other tree-filled places in NYC. Paris has some pretty popular parks too. Washington DC has a whole festival built around cherry trees.
 
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Ron, my point is, the problem with City Hall Plaza isn't necessarily the Plaza, but the wasteland that lines and surrounds it. Peppering the Plaza with trees does not address this.
 

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