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TheRifleman said:
I think we will see a lot of bars & restaurants hurt from Wynn Casino. We might see a consolidation for a couple of years.

Boston nightlife is going to feel some pain including some of the surrounding areas. (Unless Wynn does not have Club type atmosphere) Wynn has the opportunity to monopolize Boston Nightlife across the board,
Highend, lowend Sports, Cowboy's, Ect. A-List performances,
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Yes, to some extent it is zero sum game so any "net" benefit to the area has to be from drawing in people that would have otherwise driven down to Mohegan/Foxwoods or who might have flown from Boston to Vegas. And then some small benefit from a percentage of people where staying at Wynn is an additional draw to come visit Boston as a tourist.

Assembly Row should do well from people that decide to stay at the hotel there instead of at Wynn itself.
 
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tangent said:
Yes, to some extent it is zero sum game so any "net" benefit to the area has to be from drawing in people that would have otherwise driven down to Mohegan/Foxwoods or who might have flown from Boston to Vegas. And then some small benefit from a percentage of people where staying at Wynn is an additional draw to come visit Boston as a tourist.

Assembly Row should do well from people that decide to stay at the hotel there instead of at Wynn itself.
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After Dshoot email concerning WYNN not focusing on this: "What one won’t find at the $2 billion facility is a nightclub."

I think this is a big mistake that Wynn is making. I would have geared this place for the night-life across the board.
 
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Can Everett make a home rule petition to extend liquor hours? Seems like they could. If they got late night hours it could be the start of real changes in the Boston nightlife scene.
 
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TheRifleman said:
I think we will see a lot of bars & restaurants hurt from Wynn Casino. We might see a consolidation for a couple of years.

Boston nightlife is going to feel some pain including some of the surrounding areas. (Unless Wynn does not have Club type atmosphere) Wynn has the opportunity to monopolize Boston Nightlife across the board,
Highend, lowend Sports, Cowboy's, Ect. A-List performances,

Assembly Row--Expect--- Earls, Legals, Outback, Papagayo to go out of business.
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He has no such opportunity, and will not "monopolize" anything. He will be another in a large swath of entertainment options. For instance, I will still go to The Tam (and Papagayo).
 
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tocoto said:
Can Everett make a home rule petition to extend liquor hours? Seems like they could. If they got late night hours it could be the start of real changes in the Boston nightlife scene.
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Imagine THAT---Everett changes late night hours to 4 A.M.
Can a city change that law? Does the state control that law or the city?

Boston nightlife would follow that theme.
 
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TheRifleman said:
Can a city change that law? Does the state control that law or the city?
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State.

As narrowly as this whole casino thing passed, I would guess that state reps and senators from surrounding areas are in no mood to cut Everett slack on drinking laws.
 
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tangent said:
Assembly Row should do well from people that decide to stay at the hotel there instead of at Wynn itself.
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This is probably not true.

First, all hotels in the Boston area are doing well to begin with--very high occupancy rates are the norm (it is hard to do better than they already are, and would be hard to notice if the casino was the cause). In a similar way, I thought that the hotel that opened "too early" in Chelsea near the FBI would "suffer" from the FBI's delay and "do well" when the FBI finally opened, when in fact the hotel was essentially full every night from the day it opened, no FBI needed. (Yes, on some level, they'll do well, but not enough to be news)

Second, I'd suspect that Wynn's land-buying spree of nearby parcels is designed to ensure that if there ever were any evidence that casino guests were staying elsewhere, he'll quickly add hotel capacity to increase the odds (to fairly high) that they stay with him at his "captive" rooms, not at somebody else's. Every "casino" guest who does not stay with Wynn is potentially at risk of wandering off and seeing the rest of Boston (and gaming less). Wynn will do all in his power to ensure that doesn't happen--and Everett would love to facilitate more hotels.

Third, isn't Assembly's (hotel) advantage the Orange Line? [I'm not saying that they're] going to turn away Casino guests [when they happen to book] but I'd think that the real driver will be simply being a really convenient hotel on the Orange Line in a cool neighborhood.
 
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Arlington said:
This is probably not true.

First, all hotels in the Boston area are doing well to begin with--very high occupancy rates are the norm (it is hard to do better than they already are, and would be hard to notice if the casino was the cause). In a similar way, I thought that the hotel that opened "too early" in Chelsea near the FBI would "suffer" from the FBI's delay and "do well" when the FBI finally opened, when in fact the hotel was essentially full every night from the day it opened, no FBI needed. (Yes, on some level, they'll do well, but not enough to be news)

Second, I'd suspect that Wynn's land-buying spree of nearby parcels is designed to ensure that if there ever were any evidence that casino guests were staying elsewhere, he'll quickly add hotel capacity to increase the odds (to fairly high) that they stay with him at his "captive" rooms, not at somebody else's. Every "casino" guest who does not stay with Wynn is potentially at risk of wandering off and seeing the rest of Boston (and gaming less). Wynn will do all in his power to ensure that doesn't happen--and Everett would love to facilitate more hotels.

Third, isn't Assembly's (hotel) advantage the Orange Line? [I'm not saying that they're] going to turn away Casino guests [when they happen to book] but I'd think that the real driver will be simply being a really convenient hotel on the Orange Line in a cool neighborhood.
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Not sure there is real disagreement there. Proximity to Boston (including both the Orange line and taxi distance to numerous other places) is certainly the key factor in the hotel currently going into Assembly. But I think you are going to see proximity to Wynn become a very important factor in their marketing. If you look at Mohegan and Foxwoods you see those hotels filling up and area hotels marketing to casino visitors and providing complimentary shuttle buses to and from the casinos. And some of those hotels are pretty far away.

Wynn has deep pockets, but he can't buy up everything. You might be right about all the acquisitions in Everett, I believe you are right in that based on the performance of the casino Wynn is likely to invest in expanded hotel space on some of the land he is buying up. Wynn is tying up a lot of land and development rights for likely a variety of reasons..

Bottom line is that I think you could see demand drive development of another sizable hotel or two across the river in Sullivan Square and/or around Assembly.
 
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Ok, notch me as agreed with you. To the extent that somebody's going to be the hotel to run a shuttle, Assembly will do it.

It also shows that Sullivan is going to be screaming for redevelopment (which was true with our without Wynn, but it certainly makes the case for a hotel there more compelling)
 
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Regarding staying open all night, give Wynn that option and everyone else starts screaming bloody murder in the restaurant/bar business. Rightfully so as you would have handed him a monopoly while denying it to everyone else particularly Boston businesses which have been clamoring for later hours for years. I personally don't have a problem with later hours across the board. Just pointing out you can't give Wynn special rules.
 
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Rover said:
Yes but....its not actually on Boston Harbor, right?
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Not to hear Boston tell it, but if Boston says "no" its probably sour grapes / community payoff leverage, not a disinterested ruling on what is "Boston Harbor"

If Boston Harbor is a brackish-tidal, navigable, ocean-accessible body of water originally exploited by the Massachusetts Bay Colony, Wynn has got as much (or more) right to call it Boston Harbor as Winthrop, East Boston, North End or Charlestown.

If it is harbor located within metropolitan Boston, that directly touches, views and shares and inlet with Boston (along Alford St), then that's Boston Harbor too. Not any different than Marriott who puts the name "Boston" on properties as far away as Newton, Stoughton, & Burlington. In this, Wynn's got waaay better a claim to be "Boston Harbor" than many Hiltons or Marriotts ever did or will.
 
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The dude can call it Wynn - Hell, Wynn - Garden of Eden, or Wynn - the Moon for all I give a care.

Its sorta like Manchester-Boston airport in New Hampshire.
 
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Arlington said:
Not to hear Boston tell it, but if Boston says "no" its probably sour grapes / community payoff leverage, not a disinterested ruling on what is "Boston Harbor"

If Boston Harbor is a brackish-tidal, navigable, ocean-accessible body of water originally exploited by the Massachusetts Bay Colony, Wynn has got as much (or more) right to call it Boston Harbor as Winthrop, East Boston, North End or Charlestown.

If it is harbor located within metropolitan Boston, that directly touches, views and shares and inlet with Boston (along Alford St), then that's Boston Harbor too. Not any different than Marriott who puts the name "Boston" on properties as far away as Newton, Stoughton, & Burlington. In this, Wynn's got waaay better a claim to be "Boston Harbor" than many Hiltons or Marriotts ever did or will.
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Every map I have ever seen calls that body of water the Mystic River. Just saying. Boston Inner Harbor starts where the Mystic joins the Charles.

You can call the location Wynn Boston; but Boston Harbor is a bait and switch stretch.
 
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Arlington said:
Second, I'd suspect that Wynn's land-buying spree of nearby parcels is designed to ensure that if there ever were any evidence that casino guests were staying elsewhere, he'll quickly add hotel capacity to increase the odds (to fairly high) that they stay with him at his "captive" rooms, not at somebody else's. Every "casino" guest who does not stay with Wynn is potentially at risk of wandering off and seeing the rest of Boston (and gaming less). Wynn will do all in his power to ensure that doesn't happen--and Everett would love to facilitate more hotels.
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Wynn is probably following what Walt Disney did in Orlando back in the 60's. When Disney built the original Disneyland in Orange County, CA, he realized he had made a huge mistake by not buying up any of the surrounding properties. Disneyland became surrounded by all sorts of hotels, motels, strip malls, etc. which Walt felt harmed his property, plus he had no control over it. He didn't make that same mistake twice, when he was planning Disney World, he bought up thousands and thousands of acres of land surrounding the main site so his company would have total control over what went in. Wynn just might be following in Walt's footsteps, just on a much smaller scale. He probably wants to make the drive up to the main entrance as attractive as possible.
 
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atlantaden said:
Wynn is probably following what Walt Disney did in Orlando back in the 60's. When Disney built the original Disneyland in Orange County, CA, he realized he had made a huge mistake by not buying up any of the surrounding properties. Disneyland became surrounded by all sorts of hotels, motels, strip malls, etc. which Walt felt harmed his property, plus he had no control over it. He didn't make that same mistake twice, when he was planning Disney World, he bought up thousands and thousands of acres of land surrounding the main site so his company would have total control over what went in. Wynn just might be following in Walt's footsteps, just on a much smaller scale. He probably wants to make the drive up to the main entrance as attractive as possible.
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Except Disney kept it impossibly secret who was buying up the land, to keep the price low.
 
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It just fully hit me that Wynn is building a high-end casino and hotel next to Boston and is going full bore with investing and construction timelines, with no half-assing going on a all. NYC & Miami, etc. can brag all they want about all the buildings going up and their super-talls, but this project is pretty special. I look forward to a visit to Boston when this project is complete.
 
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Czervik.Construction said:
It just fully hit me that Wynn is building a high-end casino and hotel next to Boston and is going full bore with investing and construction timelines, with no half-assing going on a all. NYC & Miami, etc. can brag all they want about all the buildings going up and their super-talls, but this project is pretty special. I look forward to a visit to Boston when this project is complete.
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Big big BIIIG difference is Wynn's ability to grease the local politicians with free comps and jobs for unemployable relatives to make those sudden zoning problems go away. If you've ever watched casino execs in action when they're trying to gain a foothold in a new area, the Mr. Big of the operation (Wynn, Alderson, etc) will fly over and meet up personally with even the lowest politicians on the totem poll.
 
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I didn't notice on their website or after a quick google search, but does anyone know if Wynn is going to do live shows?
 
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Rover said:
Just pointing out you can't give Wynn special rules.
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Disagree. The state could easily pass a law extending last call for alcohol to say, 3am at the states 2 resort casinos.
 
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